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Waxing philosophical today ...

Which have you put more of into your scoot(s)?

I'm still doing the math.
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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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hours. 1000% hours.

i mean don't get me wrong, i've splashed the pot with folding money too. but it's gotta be hours on the long straight road without a bend in it.

-g
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Hours also. But it's more of a question of what is the dollar worth? How much is a diamond worth to a person in the desert dying of thirst?

Since it's a philosophical question Razz emoticon
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Hours riding or hours fixing? . 1000% fixing. 500% dollars. Well worth it all. Even more so when the riding hours equal the dollars.
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Pesos
... bc my dumb ass does stuff like sending a cheap VNB over hill and dale cross country bc I can't wait a few months to go get it.
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If it's a Lambretta, and the tuning parts are from Casa Performance, then it might be closer to a 50/50.
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Let's think this through ...

$10 = 10 hours
$100 = 100 hours
$500 = 500 hours

A dollar buys a LOT of wrench time. A hundred dollars is ten 10 hr days! $200 is a year's worth of 4 hour weekends.

I'm thinking I might be close to 50/50.

swiss: I was thinking wrenching, but yeah, if you add riding that's going to push me well into the + hours.

qa: Agreed. Any way you slice it the enjoyment is priceless.
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SoCalGuy wrote:
qa: Agreed. Any way you slice it the enjoyment is priceless.
Agreed. All of it worth it. Even the dollars.
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A whole lotta time and money, and totally enjoyable. 8)
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Dollars, if you count actual wrench time. Time if hours of watching videos and learning.
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It's always a day late (24 hours) and a dollar short......
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The hours you cannot get back.

As it is philosophical.
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I would say money. This is because I live in a region of the world where complete bikes are quite relatively expensive and buying original parts only from overseas gets costly. The whole point, of course, is spending time on my Vespas. I'm not a businessman but an enthusiast so all the time spent is fun for me. I re-sell the parts I've bought that I don't need, but the return is negative or a wash. I wish I had more time to spend (and more money, but it doesn't grow on trees).
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Both... but hours... I find wrenching therapeutic. Most of the time. Right now I'm giving it a rest because hit a frustrating patch and wasn't enjoying it. Back into it soon.
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This time around - both. This was the filthiest scoot I have ever worked on, cleaning all the caked on clay and grease took a long time. Moneywise, the most expensive as well as it had been run hard and parked outside in the elements.
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Hours, 'cause the money is secondary to the enjoyment I get from:

1. Hours wrenching. I really like to see how things are put together, how all the parts mesh and do their specific jobs, and the interesting choices engineers make when accountants get the last say;

2. Hours riding. Smelling smells, hearing sounds, feeling the bike responding to my input, seeing new things, and enjoying the fact I took something worn and made it useful again.

I've never more than broken even on a project. I spend the money until it's right, even if it takes time. The satisfaction comes from making it that way.
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Overall it is dollars.
When I started out I didn't know much about Vespa and was purchasing books, tools and parts...

The last year it has been hours.
Both bikes run and I have been putting in some miles lately.

I also have a VBC engine project that is taking up some hours. Although it is starting to take dollars too.
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Both.

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I stopped counting both a long time ago...
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charlieman22 wrote:
Both.

I don't think we get to choose exactly, more just which way to lean.
I lean towards more hours trying to salvage and use old shit.
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65% = Blood, Sweat and Tears
35% = Folding Money

Do my own spannering and outsource the bodywork
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V oodoo wrote:
charlieman22 wrote:
Both.

I don't think we get to choose exactly, more just which way to lean.
I lean towards more hours trying to salvage and use old shit.
A man after my own heart. This is probably the first project where I leaned more on the side of safety, that is, the tubes, tires, rusted all to heck wheels, bearings, seals, brake shoes, all cables, etc ...were all trashed. I'm the past, with the exception of engine wear parts - buffers, seals, orings, etc.., I just cleaned up and lubed and ran with what I had. I guess as long as you can get to know the scoot, keep ahead and fix any problems that come up, you are good to go. Just keep on keeping on......
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I guess it also helps, that like most of us, there are always some extra parts sitting in a box in the shelf when a part is too far gone to save.
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V oodoo wrote:
I lean towards more hours trying to salvage and use old shit.
Me too
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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I'll use Brother Jim aka Bitsa words, its not about hours nor coins, its more about blood and sweat
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Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
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koenig blues wrote:
I'll use Brother Jim aka Bitsa words, its not about hours nor coins, its more about blood and sweat
+1 !
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