2009 Piaggio Fly 150 Project Scooter
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
Joined: 08 Mar 2020
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Location: GTA West Ontario Canada
Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:23 pm quote
Decided I need a cheap as chips scooter for the Junk Run. Basically driving a scooter from one provincial parrk in Ontario Canada to another on almost nothing but dirt bike Atv trails. About 200 Km one way then back for camping BBQ and beer. Dirt, sand, mud and water crossing. So I thougt I found a sweet deal. My $400 CDN 2009 Piaggio Fly 150. It starts and runs fine. Everything works as it should just one problem. A completely pouched exhaust. I did notice the upper bolt (first pic) when buying it at 9pm at night and the lower (second pic) the next morning. It wasn't until I played with the muffler that it got really noisy. The third pic is the mount to the motor and cracked mid pipe. This is why I have the Muffler needed ad in the Wanted section. The last owner mention a noisy exhaust but not this. I nthe next few days I will be chipping away at the mess to see what is needed to fix it. Also need more aggressive tires. The Maxxis M6024 Front/Rear Scooter Tire seems good.





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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:29 pm quote
Oops for got the scooter pic. It just has to last about 500 Km but must pass a safety MOT.

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Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:11 pm quote
oh man, that there looks proper hoop-a-joop'd... peel off the exhaust and clean everything up and let's see what all you're working with. unfortunately, you may be in for some welding work on the case where the exhaust attaches. but, clean it all up and make a determination from there...

-g
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Location: GTA West Ontario Canada
Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:22 am quote
So it looks like this mess started with one broken exhaust stud. Then a broken upper mount. Last lets crack the pipe almost in half. Last pic is the scooter on the 14000 LB hoist. So about $200 for a pro to fix the broken exhaust stud maybe less. Upper mount may try to weld and redrill. Muffler Focked so cheapest so far CDN $140 out of the US or $200 Montreal. Then an oil change, Filters, maybe gear oil. Little afraid to try and loosen anymore bolts. Feel a bit sorry for the scooter.

https://imgur.com/zuBJ5EL scooter on 14000 Lb hoist. Working standing up.

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Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:31 am quote
Use plenty of penetrating oil on all those fasteners and give it time to work. That might save you a lot of pain and suffering.

The engine is the Leader 150, same as on the Vespa LX 150 of the same years. Hopefully you can source an exhaust easily as they are interchangeable with the 150 Vespas. Trans parts like Vario, rollers and belt will be same as well.

Good Luck and please post about the ride!
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:29 pm quote
yuck.

do yourself a favor and just pull the motor now. it'll be much easier to work on out of the bike. besides, you're probably going to wind up pulling the head to get after this anyway.

if there's any threads left in the one hole that doesn't have a broken off stud you might get off lucky. if that's blowed out, i'd just scrap it and probably look for a new used head- cheaper, easier, quicker.

if it's still got threads, then i'd attack the broken off one. it's got a little bit of a nub left, so you might be able to get a nut on there and give it a zap with a welder and wind it out. otherwise i'd find a local machine shop that does EDM and just have them blast it out.

on the case, where the exhaust mounts it looks like you're going to have to get that welded up, then finish it and tap it back out. it's not difficult of a job it just takes a bit of finesse.

looks like you're going to need an exhaust gasket, two exhaust studs and nuts along with mounting hardware- allen bolts, thick washer, wavy washer.

i don't know your level of mechanical aptitude, but it's an undertaking to say the least no matter the skills.

good luck!

-g
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Location: GTA West Ontario Canada
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:24 pm quote
One stud came out fine. Broken side is inside. Nothing sticking out. Itís at a buddyís repair shop. He has a guy that just does this sort of repair for a living. If he says Iím screwed then we decide what next. Also bidding on a 2008 Aprilia Scady 200 theft recovery as plan B.
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:04 pm quote
Should be able to fix the broken stud and lower mount. Might try the JB weld ExtremeHeatô Paste on the upper. Says good to 2400 F and drillable. Hoping this exhaust will fit. Looks correct but posted for the Fly 50 4t model. Emailed maker to see. Cheaper than the used ones I have found.

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Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:13 pm quote
If itís for a 50 it wonít fit.

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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:44 pm quote
From the Tecnigas page
Homologated for:

- Vespa LX 125cc 3V

Adaptable to:

- Piaggio Liberty 125 3V
- Piaggio Vespa LX 125 3V
- Piaggio Vespa S 125 3V

They also have this one for $200 so $50 more. Says it fits leader 125 and typhoon 125-150

http://www.tecnigas.com/o/model.php?codi=52&cat=10&idioma=en
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:16 am quote
so... you've got a few breakdowns here. eliminate the 3V exhausts because they're not going to fit. now you're looking at carb and EFI 2V exhausts.

if you're carb'd and pre SAS system an ET4 exhaust will work

if you're carb'd with an SAS system (which i don't think any Fly's were but you're in a different market than i am) then an early LX150 exhaust will work.

if you're injected then an injected LX150 exhaust will work.

no 50 4T exhaust will work. the exhaust port is a different size

a liberty or typhoon exhaust may work, but more than likely you'll have to fiddle with the mounting which is a massive pain in all nine assholes and then it'll probably foul on the bodywork, especially while riding.

anyway, let me know what you've got. i may have a stock pipe that was a take off kicking around that i'd give you a smokin' deal on. the shipping may be the hang up in that i'm in SoCal, but i'm more than happy to help if i can.

hth
-g
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:56 am quote
Havenít really done anything but pipe and charge battery so far. I believe it is carb scooter. No ideal what the sas stuff is. This is not a California compliant model. No big evap or charcoal canister. This is my exhaust. Looks exactly the same.

Appreciate the help on this. My postal code L6k3V1 otherwise I could pop across to 14304 to grade it.
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:47 am quote
Anyone know the proper exhaust stud size I need. Seems to be a 7mm that came out. Need a set.

Thanks
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 am quote
My 09 Leader engine uses 7mm exhaust studs - a very unusual size.
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:54 am quote
Thatís what Iím seeing. No local or CDN suppliers. Online only want $5 but $21-$30 shipping. I would like to get some 7&8 mm
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:29 am quote
My 08 LX150 was 7mm. I just sucked it up and paid as much for shipping as the parts cost in order to get them quickly and from a source that I knew would work.

I have read that BMW was fond of using 7mm copper nuts for their auto exhaust manifolds, and I am seeing a number of suppliers offering copper 7mm collar nuts as BMW parts. Part number I am seeing is 11 72 1 437 202. They look like the same profile to me, but I don't think any of them have had proper dimensions listed. Were I in your shoes I would be tempted to see if there is a local source that was BMW not P2W focused.
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:36 am quote
Ncy sells 8mm studs and nuts. Since one side needs drilling might work. Going to call dealer see what they sell.
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:23 am quote
Dealer has nuts and studs in stock about for 2 studs and 2 nuts. Only 7 mm no 8 mm
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:10 pm quote
I found a GPR exhaust meant for the injected 2V LX 150. I simply found a large nut to place in the bung meant for the O2 sensor.

Runs fine on my carb'd Leader 150 Fly. A little popping though on deceleration, but that's part of the fun.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:21 am quote
GVH:

Join the Barking Mad Scooter Club FB page and ask there is anyone might have the parts you are looking for.

If you're a member of the Toronto Vintage you can ask there as well as a couple members have autos as well as vintage. if you're not a member, they may bot let you on as they try and keep it just vintage.

I ride with both.

There is also Hammer Down in Hamilton FB you could check with.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:42 pm quote
without seeing the damage first hand, in this situation you might get suitable results on the blowed out one by using a time sert if the hole isn't too wallowed out. in this instance a helicoil won't have near the strength you need for the application.

then just extract the other and replace both and you're trucking again.

at least that's where i'd start. worst case, you run it out to 8mm, worser case you weld, worserer case you need a new head.

no matter how you attack it, i'd suggest you remove the engine. much easier to get an angle of approach that way.

good luck!

-g
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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Location: GTA West Ontario Canada
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:11 am quote
Sorry itís been a while but as we all know life got complicated for all. The rally got canceled so project was on hold Back looking to fix the scooter. I have a chance to buy a nice pipe but Iím sure it will require carb jetting. A D&D from a carb Vespa lead 150. Asking $100. Any good tuners on here that can give me advice on what to buy jet wise.

Thanks



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2009 Piaggio Fly 150
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:52 am quote
OK back again. Going to an insurance auction this week to bid on a few bikes and possibly a 2007 Vespa LXV 150. Low k few scratches and small dent. Written irreparable never allowed back on the road. Parts only. All my google research says carb motor. So exhaust should fit possibly whole motor bolts in. Then part the rest to get my money out of it.

Advice if Iím right or wrong.

Thanks

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Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:29 am quote
Ď07 150 is definitely carbureted.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:27 am quote
Thanks unfortunately someone bid it crazy money
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am quote
GVH wrote:
All my google research says carb motor.
You said it ran when you bought it. Looking at the thing on the top of the engine between the intake manifold and the air filter box is a very accurate way to figure out if it's a carb or injected motor. Have you done that yet?
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:41 pm quote
Why are you replacing the motor?

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