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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:28 am quote
Hi everyone ,got myself a 1971 Motovespa 160 untouched, it needs a new quadrant , time on my hands thought i,d do it, took off the flywheel ,took off the stator/magneto undid all the fasteners .the casing has split a bit but wont come apart, had some advice of a mate saying the kickstart had to be compressed, so i had to drill a hole in the shaft and put a bar in because my molegrips were,nt getting a good grip ,the kickstart is depressed but the engine casing still not coming apart any advice please would be gratefully received, with time on my hands i think i,ll take out the engine but i,m unsure where to go from there
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:32 am quote
Hello from Italy and welcome to MV; you are talking about the Vespa 160 GT produced in Spain of course ...

https://www.scooterhelp.com/serial/mvespa.125_150_160.parts.html

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Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:38 am quote
hi my friend yes Motovespa 160
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:22 am quote
to split those casings, you need to heat around where the bearing sits with a blowtorch or similar the you can remove the crankcase half


the engine is similar to dismantle like a 150 super in that respect.The bearings are seated on the crank first. THEN offered up to warmed casings before being tightened to spec.

to paraphrase the haynes manual
disasembly is the same as assembly

good luck
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:03 am quote
many thanks Gravelrash ,i ll give it a go , never worked on Vespa engines before
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:14 am quote
Love those bikes. Best looking large frame made. Post some pics so we can drool and dream...

Good luck with cases!

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:19 am quote
will do mate when i work it out ha ha
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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:27 am quote
new project

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:30 am quote
i,ve had the panels ,glovebox lid,mudguard straightened out , the frame behind the mudguard requires a bit welding, i love the look of it going to repair it as is and get it running as is

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:33 am quote
keep me occupied

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:17 am quote
oh that is magic want the rear rack!
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:46 am quote
Thanks hibbert Madrid rack apparently , finding bits about this scooter, i love the seat too Vespa emblazend across it
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:08 am quote
hibbert wrote:
oh that is magic want the rear rack!
I agree! That's the rack to want too! Nice project. It'll be fun to see you get it back on the road. Thanks for the pictures.
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:46 am quote
thank you all , i,ll post more pics soon
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:27 am quote
Congratulations. I have a 1970 unit also in blue. Achilles heel on this scooter is the Dellorto UA19S1 carburator, uneasy (impossible) to find spares. The seat you have is not the original. It is a cover that was widely sold at the time. Yours was registered in Alicante, Spain in 1971.

Important: 5% oil mix!

Maybe it helps you (in spanish):

Spare parts catalogue http://www.vespaclubjaen.es/manuales/Catalogo_Piezas_Recambio_Vespa_125-150-160_1971.pdf

user manual
http://www.vespaclubjaen.es/manuales/Manual_Usuario_Vespa_160.pdf

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:21 am quote
Many thanks for the information Corradino ,always nice to know parts are hard to find ha ha ,spare parts catalogue too thank you
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:27 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
to split those casings, you need to heat around where the bearing sits with a blowtorch or similar the you can remove the crankcase half


the engine is similar to dismantle like a 150 super in that respect.The bearings are seated on the crank first. THEN offered up to warmed casings before being tightened to spec.

to paraphrase the haynes manual
disasembly is the same as assembly

good luck
thanks for the advice mate

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:28 am quote
finally

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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:29 am quote
some more

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:31 am quote
thought i,de refurb the clock

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:37 pm quote
Nice find ....Im thinking you should have pulled your dust sheet over the carpet a bit more. Happy wife happy life!!...good luck:-)

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Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:42 am quote
fraggleexport wrote:
Nice find ....Im thinking you should have pulled your dust sheet over the carpet a bit more. Happy wife happy life!!...good luck:-)

Kevin
Im guessing with the work being done indoors, hes a very happy bachelor


Glad you managed to get the engine apart without too much drama - for most parts that are unobtainium as original spec, there are aftermarket/performance parts that can be made to fit and do the job. particularly in the carburettor area.

the engine is broadly speaking a GS motor - so be prepared for a shock on the price of parts
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:16 am quote
thanks for the heads up on prices ha ha , yes i,m working in the conservatory, we,ve been renovating our bungalow for 2 years now and the conservatory is a big shed ,my missus does,nt mind or so she says lol
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:56 am quote
Such an interesting combination of Vespa round tail, GS leg box, GL headset, SS cowls. Looks to be rotary valve why was I thinking piston port? Exhaust like Rally 180.
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:13 am quote
i really like the original paint, its a bit rough in places but i like that look, i,ve a 58 Douglas to start on after this ,full resto on that tho
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:15 am quote
hibbert wrote:
Such an interesting combination of Vespa round tail, GS leg box, GL headset, SS cowls. Looks to be rotary valve why was I thinking piston port? Exhaust like Rally 180.
I was expecting piston porting too - hence my comments around it being broadly a GS engine..... parts on this should be more sensibly priced and a replacement carb easier to obtain with a rotary induction setup.

O.P. check the condition of the sealing pad under where the crank webs meet the inlet, hopefullly you will be ok

as for parts i would give

https://www.buzzsolomoto.co.uk/

an email - they are still selling via the website and are reasonably priced too.
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:50 am quote
thanks Gravelrash, i,ve had some bits from Buzz already ,they sent me the wrong brake levers and the wrong flywheel puller , in fact i bought the scooter from them ,when they delivered it the lovely rack was missing, they said it was taken off by mistake and sent me it later ha ha ,not sure where the sealing pad is but i,ll have a look , did a bit tidying up today and cleaned off the casing best i could,the casing was covered in a thick layer of sand and oil,took some getting off,could see the real extent of damage around the kickstart shaft hole ,a friend of mine reckons he can repair it

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Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:53 am quote
repairable?

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:46 am quote
YES - it is repairable as long as you ensure that the groove is consistent around the entirety - elsewise you will not be able to insert the rubber O ring to seal the kickstart quadrant into casing and you will forever be dripping oil like and old british bike.

so ideally - build up with weld and machine the groove back in.


should you find this is not possible, you will be on the lookout for a replacemtn pair of matched cases. some people have been lucky in making none matched cases seal around the base of the cylinder but that is INCREDIBLY rare

broad outline here
P200 VSE1M engine cases non-matching halves
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:23 am quote
unless someone can chime in to the contrary.

i think these engine casings will suffice

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Vespa-150-Engines/153867029590?hash=item23d3308c56%3Ag%3ACXgAAOSw5bdeb6Ti&LH_ItemCondition=1500%7C3000
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:04 am quote
many thanks
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:07 am quote
hibbert wrote:
Such an interesting combination of Vespa round tail, GS leg box, GL headset, SS cowls. Looks to be rotary valve why was I thinking piston port? Exhaust like Rally 180.
Then it is not the original engine (wich is piston ported).
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:20 am quote
The OP's motor look like a rotary to me. I read somewhere that some Spanish 160s were simply overbored Sprint 150 engines. Did I dream that? If so, I'll get my coat (as we say in the UK).
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:56 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
one of these 150 engines will fit nicely in my 58 Douglas
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:17 pm quote
I'm firmly of the opinion that that scooter has had a replacement engine at some point in its life - which is no bad thing to be honest!

grab the engine or both and make a good one out of them all and away you go.
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:26 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
I'm firmly of the opinion that that scooter has had a replacement engine at some point in its life - which is no bad thing to be honest!

grab the engine or both and make a good one out of them all and away you go.
would i be able to gain any information from the engine number ?
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Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:41 am quote
!!...absolutely...!!

http://scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.serial.numbers.html
Speshulbrew wrote:
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
I'm firmly of the opinion that that scooter has had a replacement engine at some point in its life - which is no bad thing to be honest!

grab the engine or both and make a good one out of them all and away you go.
would i be able to gain any information from the engine number ?
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Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:17 am quote
put in the engine number

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Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:05 am quote
well blow me sideways!

Thats one of the 150 Super engines overbored.... should have no problems finding parts for that one and any of the Super/sprint cases will do nicely
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Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:15 am quote
good news that mate
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