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Molto Verboso
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:03 am quote
@Spes, have you seen the brilliant case repair around the kickstart shaft in the following thread? Look towards the bottom:

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic169577
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:11 am quote
nice one mate ,he,s done a great job of repairing the casing , i had a word with the guy whose meant to repair mine ,he said i,de have to wait ,i,ve other jobs i can get on with ha ha
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 am quote
Love the bike and SO glad you are not feeling the need for repainting!
Speshulbrew wrote:
repairable?
swa45 wrote:
@Spes, have you seen the brilliant case repair around the kickstart shaft in the following thread? Look towards the bottom:

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic169577
OUCH!


Here's another way you could try, you still have the bottom O-ring surface intact like I did while the above one did not.
Mine, then machined off flush to O-ring surface:


Made this:


After welding it on:


More here towards the end: Cannot recommend...
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:55 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Love the bike and SO glad you are not feeling the need for repainting!
Speshulbrew wrote:
repairable?
swa45 wrote:
@Spes, have you seen the brilliant case repair around the kickstart shaft in the following thread? Look towards the bottom:

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic169577
OUCH!


Here's another way you could try, you still have the bottom O-ring surface intact like I did while the above one did not.
Mine, then machined off flush to O-ring surface:


Made this:


After welding it on:


More here towards the end: Cannot recommend...
nice job of that mate , i,m really liking the look of the 160 paint work as is ,i ll post some more pics , i,m waiting on my engineer at the mo to weld up my casing
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Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:12 am quote
CORRADINO wrote:
Congratulations. I have a 1970 unit also in blue. Achilles heel on this scooter is the Dellorto UA19S1 carburator, uneasy (impossible) to find spares. The seat you have is not the original. It is a cover that was widely sold at the time. Yours was registered in Alicante, Spain in 1971.

Important: 5% oil mix!

Maybe it helps you (in spanish):

Spare parts catalogue http://www.vespaclubjaen.es/manuales/Catalogo_Piezas_Recambio_Vespa_125-150-160_1971.pdf

user manual
http://www.vespaclubjaen.es/manuales/Manual_Usuario_Vespa_160.pdf
hi mate do you have a picture of the light/horn switch on your 160 please, mines missing , i,ve priced up a few switches from different suppliers and the switches all look slightly different ,i,m assuming i,m dealing with a 6volt system on this scooter?? cheers Spesh
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:06 am quote
Starting to get a few bits together

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Wed May 06, 2020 6:13 am quote
Go a lot of parts from Dai Payne, on Small Wheels, he had a damaged casing and donated the part I needed, put me touch with someone who could repair my casing, I must have done his head in with questions, most helpful

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Wed May 06, 2020 6:16 am quote
Plate and weld this?

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Wed May 06, 2020 6:17 am quote
Repairable

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:54 am quote
Can,t get the pivot pin and tube out,stuck fast any advice please,the pin was seized so i had to cut off one end to remove the motor

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:55 am quote
Had some penetration fluid on

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Tue May 12, 2020 4:57 am quote
Taking some shifting

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Tue May 12, 2020 5:11 am quote
Heat is your friend here...

Get a butane torch and heat the outside up for a few minutes...that should shift the blighter...works 90% of the time
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Tue May 12, 2020 6:02 am quote
Cheers Frag,I thought that may be the answer ha ha,waiting for delivery of a new blowtorch as we speak
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Tue May 12, 2020 6:36 am quote
everytime i get one like that, the steps i take are

1 - remove the rataining ends on the rubbers

2 - press out with my jack press

3 - curse at the effort involved

4 - fit new engine mounts.
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Tue May 12, 2020 7:04 am quote
Cheers Grav only managed step 3,quite a bit of cursing going on ha ha
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Tue May 12, 2020 12:49 pm quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
Cheers Grav only managed step 3,quite a bit of cursing going on ha ha
id offer to do it for you - however you are a good couple of hundred miles away. I know someone in Leeds who would do it. if you could get it to him.

They do say we can travel any distance now for exercise
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Tue May 12, 2020 1:15 pm quote
Many thanks Grav , i,ll persevere with it ,see how it goes with a bit of heat,seems to be the theme for this motor ha ha
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Sat May 23, 2020 12:38 pm quote
discovered the original plate (i think) its stopping on ,new age related plate over the top when i register it,do i have to erase the old number plate painted on the mudguard? Dont want to ,whats the legal requirement?

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Sat May 23, 2020 12:52 pm quote
on the mudgaurd you can leave it on as long as it doesnt have any sharp edges

it will be seen as decorativ - UK motorcycles do not have a legal requirement to show a forward facing registration so it will be ignored
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Sat May 23, 2020 1:59 pm quote
cheers Grav
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Sun May 24, 2020 10:22 am quote
hub seal
the hub seal looks to have failed,whats the score for replacing ?Do i need to remove the castle nut to replace the seal?

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Sun May 24, 2020 10:59 am quote
Yes - the castle nut holds the bearing and seal in place.... please dont do what most people seem to do... smash it round to get it off with a hammer and chisel.

remove the wire clip - that holds the castle nut from moving.

get your hands on or make a toot to remove and re-torque the castle nut back in place




oh just a heads up - - - you need a dating certificate for the motovespa before you can insure it to take it to the MOT station then register it. Its much easier if you are part of a recognised owners club when you attempt to get a dating certificate (it also makes insurance cheaper too)

https://vespaclub.uk/
or
https://www.veteranvespaclub.com/
or
http://www.vmsc.co.uk/

Others are available
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Sun May 24, 2020 11:05 am quote
cheers Grav ,i thought a special tool would be needed lol i,m looking at making one , i,ve a dating cert for the scooter mate tar ,i ve been down this road before with my P2
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Mon May 25, 2020 5:52 am quote
Quote:
do i have to erase the old number plate painted on the mudguard? Dont want to ,whats the legal requirement?
I didn't

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 am quote
wow love your scoot mate, plate is stopping on then

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:36 am quote
had to have the mudguard straightened out a little bit

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:39 am quote
Very nice! This forum's great, but if you need any specific Motovespa GT160 advice there's a group of us over on the dark side sharing info
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Mon May 25, 2020 6:42 am quote
Many thanks Norman, yes great forum ,there,s a thread on here specific Motovespa 160GT?
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Mon May 25, 2020 6:46 am quote
No, on the place that dare not speak its name (on forums anyway!)
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Mon May 25, 2020 8:08 am quote
ha ha ha thanks mate
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Fri May 29, 2020 3:48 am quote
Anyone know where I can source one of these Vespa seat covers,just had a quote to repair this one,thought maybe I,de be better off buying a new one

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Fri May 29, 2020 3:49 am quote
80 to repair

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Fri May 29, 2020 4:53 am quote
flip it over and lest see underneath - would mae it easier to see what options you have

I paid 200 for mine redoing..... mind you it is a one off
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Fri May 29, 2020 5:34 am quote
That seat was unique to the Vespa Spanish Market. Getting it fix as that price seems reasonable.

There is a similar one on Ebay but not the same. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VESPA-160-SCOOTER-COVER-BOX-54/302549974282

Great Project. Good luck!
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Fri May 29, 2020 5:56 am quote
spot on Rowdyc ,similar ,but cheap enough too ,think i,ll get mine repaired and buy one of those
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Fri May 29, 2020 7:11 am quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
Anyone know where I can source one of these Vespa seat covers,just had a quote to repair this one,thought maybe I,de be better off buying a new one
Hi. As told, those covers (non-oem) were very popular around here at the time. Now you can find a few old-stock new covers, but at crazy prices. For PX models similar covers are easier to find and cost around 20.- nowadays.

The original seat for a 1971 160 like yours looks as the one in the advertising I posted before. When the model turned to GT in 1973 one of the few changes was the seat. Norman's orange GT has this one.
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Fri May 29, 2020 7:30 am quote
CORRADINO wrote:
Speshulbrew wrote:
Anyone know where I can source one of these Vespa seat covers,just had a quote to repair this one,thought maybe I,de be better off buying a new one
Hi. As told, those covers (non-oem) were very popular around here at the time. Now you can find a few old-stock new covers, but at crazy prices. For PX models similar covers are easier to find and cost around 20.- nowadays.

The original seat for a 1971 160 like yours looks as the one in the advertising I posted before. When the model turned to GT in 1973 one of the few changes was the seat. Norman's orange GT has this one.
thanks Corradino, the seat cover that rowdyc gave me the details on looks pretty good, its very similar to mine but not exactly the same , price not too bad about 80 delivered ,i think i,ll just get mine repaired then its still original
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:09 pm quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
Yes - the castle nut holds the bearing and seal in place.... please dont do what most people seem to do... smash it round to get it off with a hammer and chisel.

remove the wire clip - that holds the castle nut from moving.

get your hands on or make a toot to remove and re-torque the castle nut back in place

"DID AS YOU ADVISED Grav, made a tool out of scaffolding pipe ,applied a bit of heat and resisted the righty tighty motto ha ha ,came off easy enough,do i have to take out the driveshaft to replace the bearing? What does that entail .i ,ve bought all the bearings ,will i need any special tools ,do i need a tool to remove the clutch ??


oh just a heads up - - - you need a dating certificate for the motovespa before you can insure it to take it to the MOT station then register it. Its much easier if you are part of a recognised owners club when you attempt to get a dating certificate (it also makes insurance cheaper too)

https://vespaclub.uk/
or
https://www.veteranvespaclub.com/
or
http://www.vmsc.co.uk/

Others are available


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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:11 pm quote
saved myself 25 for a sip tool

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