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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:13 pm quote


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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:17 pm quote
did what you advised Grav, made a tool out of scaffolding pipe ,applied a bit of heat and resisted the righty tighty motto ha ha ,came off easy enough,do i have to take out the driveshaft to replace the bearing? What does that entail .i ,ve bought all the bearings ,will i need any special tools ,do i need a tool to remove the clutch ??
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:45 am quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
did what you advised Grav, made a tool out of scaffolding pipe ,applied a bit of heat and resisted the righty tighty motto ha ha ,came off easy enough,do i have to take out the driveshaft to replace the bearing? What does that entail .i ,ve bought all the bearings ,will i need any special tools ,do i need a tool to remove the clutch ??
Yes - now you need to remove the spindle to extract the main hub bearing.

smartly tapping on the shaft with a hammer - whilst ensuring the thread is protected - or using a hydraulic press will drive the mainshaft out towards the selector box side. you can then drift the bearing out in the opposite direction.

reassembly is as they say the reverse of disassembly and is considerably easier if you have a press. I always press mine in these days as i bought a cheap stand press from MachineMart a good few years ago and haven't damaged a bearing since
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:47 am quote
when changing bearings its always best to remove everything.

so remove the clutch - as that will be needed to change the main bearing once the crank is out of the way.

and also remove the gears from the layshaft before you attempt to remove the shaft. save on potentially damaging them and also allows you to inspect them at the same time.
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:14 am quote
do i need a special tool to remove the clutch? I,m a little bit nervous about disassembling ha ha , 1st time nerves , i,ll take my time and ask away if i,m stuck ,many thanks for all the advice i,ve received on here
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:46 am quote
here ya go

and

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vespa+clutch+rebuild
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:54 am quote
cheers Grav confidence boosted thanks mate
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:08 am quote
This has,not seen any action in a while ha ha,got the clutch nut off,what's holding the clutch in place ???

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Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:30 am quote
Guessing rust, by the looks of it. If it was well lubes they usually slide off with some help from a pry bar on both sides. Mine didn't take much force at all.
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:36 am quote
Thanks Chris it has,not seen oil in a while
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:16 am quote
its taking some getting off this mutha ha ha
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:53 am quote
The special sauce to remove is....

penetrating fluid - lay it flat and leave it overnight to soak through

heat

lever ift off with a couple of tyre levers meant for a pushbike or similar
Speshulbrew wrote:
its taking some getting off this mutha ha ha
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:08 pm quote
Cheers Grav i,m onnit
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:34 am quote
[quote="Gravelrash2004"]The special sauce to remove is....

penetrating fluid - lay it flat and leave it overnight to soak through

heat

lever ift off with a couple of tyre levers meant for a pushbike or similar
Speshulbrew wrote:
its taking some getting off this mutha ha ha
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Tried eveything Grav , i can see a thread inside ,gunna need a puller i think
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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:36 am quote
Another specialist tool

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Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:24 am quote
Well blow me!!!
Thats something i have never seen before on a spanish engine!

One lives and Learns as they say...!!
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Another specialist tool
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:40 am quote
Try an appropriately sized 'C' spanner, using the jaw as a hook under the clutch top and the curved bit as a fulcrum on the end of the crank........or try to find the threaded puller tool was the Spanish intended.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:38 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
Well blow me!!!
Thats something i have never seen before on a spanish engine!

One lives and Learns as they say...!!
Speshulbrew wrote:
Another specialist tool
Same as a GS apparently ,i ve bit the bullet and ordered a puller ,its having my life this scoot ,and my wallet ha ha
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:39 am quote
swa45 wrote:
Try an appropriately sized 'C' spanner, using the jaw as a hook under the clutch top and the curved bit as a fulcrum on the end of the crank........or try to find the threaded puller tool was the Spanish intended.
tried with a spanner mate thanks for the advice ,ordered a puller
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:15 am quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
Its having my life this scoot ,and my wallet ha ha
Patience padawan. you have only JUST started, give it time and you will be like us all, possessed and with more cash in the hobby than the other half could know.....
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:38 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
Speshulbrew wrote:
Its having my life this scoot ,and my wallet ha ha
Patience padawan. you have only JUST started, give it time and you will be like us all, possessed and with more cash in the hobby than the other half could know.....
Very ,very true Grav i,m well and truly hooked
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:18 am quote
Front brakes
fit new brake shoes to the front hub ,refit the hub ,tightened the hub nut ,and the hub won,t turn??? Do i sand a bit off the shoes ,or do i let friction do its work when the scoot is on the road ,ordered a clutch puller ,waiting for that and the frames been in a welding shop for 2 weeks ,he said it would be ready today ,i saw the bloke who was supposed to be doing it he said next week , i just took it and said thanks for wasting my time , thats 2 welders let me down now , found a workshop in Darlington ,this ones looking promising ,i sent him pics he said fetch it in next week,fingers crossed

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Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:44 am quote
if the brake binds when the hub is offered up to it, you may be hitting a high spot on the new shoes.
spinning the hub on the shoes as you are putting it onto the spline, should mark where the high spot is - if its only in one or two areas then yes. sand it down till it allows you to spin it.

sometimes shoes need "bedding in"


The other alternative is that the shoes could be too large to start with for the hub. in that instance i would measure across several reference points the relative size of the shoes. then compare that with the same measurements taken from the drum itself.
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:47 am quote
in terms of the welder(s) who have been less than sterling in there customer support....

i would be looking for a mobile welder at this point, they actually turn up as they need your custom and my experience of them has been positive.

speak to your preferred mobile welder before he turns up and discuss what you want doing.
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:48 am quote
Many thanks Grav you and my parts supplier are actually keeping me going on this project, i,ll rub a bit off the shoes ,thats a good idea about a mobile welder,my missus did say buy the gear and do it yourself, spoke with a guy last week ,he seems up for it ,he,s done Vespas before so i,m hopeful, told him i,ve a 58 Douglas that needs a new floor in ,so he seemed keen,we,ll see ,i ll post pics when i can
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:35 am quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
Many thanks Grav you and my parts supplier are actually keeping me going on this project, i,ll rub a bit off the shoes ,thats a good idea about a mobile welder,my missus did say buy the gear and do it yourself, spoke with a guy last week ,he seems up for it ,he,s done Vespas before so i,m hopeful, told him i,ve a 58 Douglas that needs a new floor in ,so he seemed keen,we,ll see ,i ll post pics when i can
Heres hoping its all positive with the current choice of welder
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:10 pm quote
Managed to get the frame welded,new cables in ,gunna get the casing and parts vapor blasted tomorrow,just waiting on a new bearing for the primary drive and a few bits for the clutch and then its rebuild time

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Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:12 pm quote
Nice job putting cables in,not ha ha

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58 Douglas,P200e,Motovespa 160
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:13 pm quote
Bought a 160 Vespa seat cover,not quite the same as the original but it's not bad

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Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:15 pm quote
Getting there

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Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:10 am quote
excellent

what type of welder did you user in the end? a local welding "body shop" or a mobile welder??
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Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:33 am quote
the guy i,ve been getting all my parts off On Small Wheels ,had a word with one of his friends who lives about 2 hours from me ,he did a cracking job,and he repaired the casing around the kickstart shaft ,price all together just over a hundred quid,bargain i thought! T
he casing ,barrel and head are getting vapour blasted today,just waiting for a few new parts,primary drive bearing etc then its going back together,David Payne the parts guy said it was an oddball engine and a bit difficult to get the correct parts for it , i,m just trying to work out how the accelerator cable is connected to the inside of the carb
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:18 am quote
Speshulbrew wrote:
i,m just trying to work out how the accelerator cable is connected to the inside of the carb
send up a piccie
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:58 am quote
Arite Grav mate I worked it out

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:00 am quote
Pulled the slide right back took out the small clip and large pin ,then the end of the cable came out

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:02 am quote
Had half the casing,head and barrel vapor blasted

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:03 am quote
Looks brand new

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:04 am quote
Just waiting for a primary drive bearing,and a few clutch parts then it's all going back together

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Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:39 am quote
How do I confirm I,ve put the gears on the right way round,I took a picture of the gears when I removed them,but only just realised it's not a good picture,I've put them on best I could ,just need to confirm they're on correct ,any advice please would be appreciated

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Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:40 am quote
Another view

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