MP3 Servicing Dealer Needed in Ohio Area
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Location: Mentor Ohio
Mon May 25, 2020 10:08 am quote
Hello All,

I have a 2007 MP3 250 that I would like to find a servicing dealer for. My local Piaggio dealer wants nothing to do with the MP3 model for a myriad of reasons he says. I have checked as far south as Columbus, Ohio and have found no one that will work on it. Luckily at this moment I don't have an immediate need but I know there will come a day when I will.

The scooter has only 2200 KM's on it so it has barely been ridden. Have only changed the oil once and performed no other service. Given its light usage, I would be very interested to hear what suggestions the group may have as to service items I may wish to attend to. I have not downloaded the service manual yet but plan to do so.

I am mechanically inclined and have more than enough tools but would ideally like to find a shop to do the work, especially when it comes to computer related issues that I have been told by my local Piaggio dealer are going to happen. It is not if but when.

I am new to the group and would appreciate any feedback that you care to leave.

Thank you

George...
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Mon May 25, 2020 12:58 pm quote
I live nowhere near you so have no advice about servicing dealers in your area. I will say that is one of the drawbacks of the MP3 based on my experience in owning one. They are mechanically and electronically complex. Few Piaggio dealers sell enough of them to develop the expertise to successfully service them and diagnose their problems. You want a dealer who has at least one mechanic who has gone through the Piaggio MP3 training and knows what he is doing. Hopefully one or more owners in your region will advise you of such a dealer. Good luck.
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Mon May 25, 2020 1:43 pm quote
it is VERY rare a computer issue comes up, VERY RARE.

just do the normal servicing yourself
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Mon May 25, 2020 2:25 pm quote
old as dirt wrote:
it is VERY rare a computer issue comes up, VERY RARE.

just do the normal servicing yourself
^^^^
This. All 'standard' service requirements are easy enough. Plus there's always this forum to give help, advice and encouragement.
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Mon May 25, 2020 2:43 pm quote
Being mechanically inclined you should be fine.
Download the owners manual, and service manual ASAP.
That way you can switch your display to miles so we can understand you.

Seriously though, you almost certainly won't need to attach your scooter to a computer.
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Mon May 25, 2020 2:56 pm quote
Thank you kindly time all that have replied. I was somewhat nervous about the computer end of things as again, my local dealer said that it is just a matter of time before it craps out on you and your screwed (paraphrasing). I will download the manual. Thank you for the link!!

If there is anyone out there in the Ohio area that knows if someone who can connect up to the computer if needed one day would love to know who they are. Thank you again to all!!

George
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Mon May 25, 2020 3:17 pm quote
Gps wrote:
Thank you kindly time all that have replied. I was somewhat nervous about the computer end of things as again, my local dealer said that it is just a matter of time before it craps out on you and your screwed (paraphrasing). I will download the manual. Thank you for the link!!

If there is anyone out there in the Ohio area that knows if someone who can connect up to the computer if needed one day would love to know who they are. Thank you again to all!!

George
the 250's are the least likely to ever have to hook up to the computer of all the MP3's. I have had my 500 since new in 2008 and the only reason I hooked to a computer was in 09 there was a new software update. I never had any issues prior just had a FREE hey if you come in we can update for you, if you want. I don't think it did anything.

I have never heard of a 250 have to get any computer stuff. FWIW the 250 is the same engine piaggio has used for YEARS in the Vespa models and other piaggio and aprilia scooters as well.

You have the absolute least amount to ever be concerned about your 250 having to have a computer hooked up to it.

I think your dealer is WAY WAY off base.
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Mon May 25, 2020 5:27 pm quote
Thank you for chiming one. I sincerely hope that you are tight as I can find no one even at a distance that will work on the machine. I don’t have a lot of faith in the “local” shop but given that they were the only ones I had little choice till they told me they wanted nothing to do with it and further, although they are a large seller of bikes even in comparison to Chicago, they knew of no one who would service it. Again, I question the accuracy of all that was said but am feeling far better with replies like yours! I thank you again!

I think the only thing that I may need to do is possibly change the coolant and switch the units from metric to English. I was looking at the rear tire and thinking , darn, I hope I don’t get a flat as it looks like a process to remove the wheel! Maybe not just kind of intimidating

George
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Mon May 25, 2020 5:49 pm quote
Welcome! And good luck with the servicing! I am sure it will be quite manageable with the help you will receive from the experts here.

Although I must say I find it very strange that a Piaggio dealer would refuse to service a Piaggio product. And seems to talk down the product on top of that!

In addition to the coolant change, you probably want to flush your brake fluid. Are the tires original (10+ years)?
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2009 MP3 400
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Tue May 26, 2020 3:24 am quote
Other than the seat popper motors and the handlebar switches, the electronics are pretty solid.

If you're already an experienced mechanic and have metric tools you'll find most everything on the MP3 very easy to work on. The service manual is a great help.

The only difficult thing I've found so far that strained my patience was bleeding the brakes and the tilt lock system. The plumbing is convoluted enough that pushing from the bottom up was the only path to success.

You may want to invest in a couple MP3/scooter specific items to have on hand. A variator holding tool and the grease fitting bolt to inject your steering bearings.
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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
Tue May 26, 2020 3:30 am quote
^This. The only real Achilles of the MP3 are the headstock bearings. There are 4 at a minimum. It is vital they get lubed regularly. I add grease with every oil change every 5K km to avoid the dreaded steering notch.

Also, the first service at 1K is the most important one the bike will ever get. That is the only I took my bike to a official Vespa service dealer to. Everything else I've done on my own.
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Tue May 26, 2020 5:16 am quote
Motohio
Did you try Iron Pony in Columbus? I know they have serviced MP3s.
Motohio in Columbus also have worked on my 500 a couple years back. Both are Piaggii/Vespa dealers.
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Tue May 26, 2020 6:55 pm quote
Yes, I did try Pony down in the Columbus area but they have a new rule I was told by Jacob in their service dept that they no longer work on bikes that are older than ten years. That exempts me!! Even though it has precious few miles on it. Looks like the biggie that I missed was changing the hub oil at 1000 km. Oh well, I have some Motul 80-90 ordered and will do that as soon as it arrives. I want to thank all who have chimed in here as it has been a major help.

As for my local dealer, yeppir. He wants nothing to do with the MP3 and when I called him and asked why he did not pickup my scooter for service, he advised that he did not know it was an MP3 and that they didn't have a trailer that was capable of hauling bifurcated bikes?? This was after I received a text that said " I will be there in 45 minutes to pick up your MP3".?? While he supposedly had a special trailer for the MP3, he said he loaned it out to someone and had no idea when it would be back???!!! Anyway, he then went on to give me a twenty minute dissertation on the lousy computers that are used in this bike and the level of complexity that they have and said they were not worth the hassles. This in addition to the lousy tire wear that they get and its the only bike he knows of that needs a front end alignment. Said this is why he never sold any and if anyone came into his shop looking for one tried to steer them elsewhere!! If I tried this for some of the lines I represent in my business I would no longer represent them!!

Anyway, I am very fortunate to have found this group and am grateful for all the help. I was looking at the service manual and am a bit confused at where the drain is for the hub oil. Is there anyway that I can get a picture? Sorry, very green here and DO NOT want to frick anything up. I remain grateful.

George...
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Tue May 26, 2020 6:58 pm quote
Pony did give me the name of a fella in the Columbus area named "Lee". I did call him as he supposedly gets a lot of the work that Pony will not do. Unfortunately he said that he is not very familiar with the MP3 and certainly did not have the ability to run any computer diagnostics. He could do basic stuff but nothing specific to the MP3. Hey at least he was honest and was willing to try!! There was a guy that I used in the past down in the Dayton area that worked on my older Vespa. Cannot for the life of me recall his name but he was out in the country but relatively close to the air and space museum at Wright Patterson. Maybe someone will know by this description who he is as I cannot recall. Did good work!!
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Wed May 27, 2020 1:46 am quote
you can run jpdiag its free and you only need to buy a cable from lonelec.co.uk

but the only fault a 250 can give are pressure/ speed sensors and lock ecu
tps and other stuff aren't adjustable on a piaggio
Hooked
2009 MP3 400
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Location: Sayre, PA
Wed May 27, 2020 4:17 am quote
Is it any wonder that the MP3's never really took off stateside?

Nobody really understood them. Neither the public nor the dealers supporting them.

Sounds like the support network in Ohio is just taking the easy way out.

"We don't service bikes over 10 years old". Uh, what?

Local dealer sounds like an ignorant douche. The engine computer and most of the powertrain on the MP3 is the same as the two wheel models. The tilt lock stuff is a separate system and electronic failures are rare. Mechanical issues with the front end just need to be dealt with as they arise. No sorcery involved.
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Wed May 27, 2020 4:44 am quote
I've found that it's not uncommon for authorized dealers for cars, motorcycles,..., lots of things, to refuse to work on old products. That's what independent shops are for.

The dealer for the make of a car I had once wouldn't fix a transmission problem. They said they would only install a new transmission, and that would have been prohibitively expensive. A local transmission specialist fixed it for a much more reasonable price.

Same with electronic equipment that I used to work with. The manufacturers eventually called it obsolete; then an independent parts and repair shop took over.

You may have to learn to maintain your MP3 yourself, with the help of Modern Vespa.
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Wed May 27, 2020 5:02 am quote
Gps wrote:
Yes, I did try Pony down in the Columbus area but they have a new rule I was told by Jacob in their service dept that they no longer work on bikes that are older than ten years. That exempts me!! Even though it has precious few miles on it. Looks like the biggie that I missed was changing the hub oil at 1000 km. Oh well, I have some Motul 80-90 ordered and will do that as soon as it arrives. I want to thank all who have chimed in here as it has been a major help.

As for my local dealer, yeppir. He wants nothing to do with the MP3 and when I called him and asked why he did not pickup my scooter for service, he advised that he did not know it was an MP3 and that they didn't have a trailer that was capable of hauling bifurcated bikes?? This was after I received a text that said " I will be there in 45 minutes to pick up your MP3".?? While he supposedly had a special trailer for the MP3, he said he loaned it out to someone and had no idea when it would be back???!!! Anyway, he then went on to give me a twenty minute dissertation on the lousy computers that are used in this bike and the level of complexity that they have and said they were not worth the hassles. This in addition to the lousy tire wear that they get and its the only bike he knows of that needs a front end alignment. Said this is why he never sold any and if anyone came into his shop looking for one tried to steer them elsewhere!! If I tried this for some of the lines I represent in my business I would no longer represent them!!

Anyway, I am very fortunate to have found this group and am grateful for all the help. I was looking at the service manual and am a bit confused at where the drain is for the hub oil. Is there anyway that I can get a picture? Sorry, very green here and DO NOT want to frick anything up. I remain grateful.

George...
I understand this as a rule, but don't think there is one part you can't still order for a 2008 MP3 500. I just bought a new wind screen and all the rubber hoses.
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Wed May 27, 2020 9:00 am quote
For what it's worth- the drain for the final drive oil is usually under the variator cover. You'll need to remove that cover to get to the drain and fill screws. It's a good time to look at the condition of the belt and the clutch and the variator faces too, since the cover is off.

The service manual will have all that in detail.

Edit: I'm thinking of a different scooter. The 250 drain and fill bolts are right out there- no need to remove any covers. Check out Mitch Bergma's final drive oil change video for the GTS 250. Anyway, it's a good idea to download the manual, then you won't have to take the word of a random internet troll like myself...

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Wed May 27, 2020 11:37 am quote
No it's not, just verified. Out in full view under the trans.
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Thu May 28, 2020 7:06 am quote
I live in the Toledo area with no dealers near me, but when I've contacted ClevelandMoto on Lorain Ave., they've been very responsive. If I ever need anything major done I'll probably take it there. Hope this helps!
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:07 am quote
Hi GPS
Hi GPS. I don't know how far this is from you https://vespashelbyville.com/

Lets put it this way, he is so damn good - eats breathes - thinks Vespa and Piaggio (he even has entire custom builds). I took my MP3 from the middle of PA there and I will continue to do so for anything outside my skill level. The dealer here dried up and didnt want to handle scooters anymore, and frankly the world is better off. Anyone I called in PA and told them I just needed scheduled service, they asked me what kind of vehicle an MP3 is...suffice it to say thats not a good place to take it. I lucked out on Shelbyville and rolled the dice and it was worth a great ride out and back and to chit chat with the owner and chief bottle washer and see his collection. I hope that is helpfull.
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