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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:08 am quote
Ok people, I have a Vespa GTS, what's the opinion on passengers riding side saddle?... I know it's used to be en vogue (if you believe the Vespa posters), is it now outlawed due to safety, or just not seen for other reasons?
My potential passenger has a skirt, and won't ride in the regular position...

(God, I know this posting is going to get abused! )

(The trip will be just around town, not on the highway).
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:17 am quote
It doesn't seem safe to me to ride side-saddle. I don't know, I've never done it, I'm not an expert, but it just doesn't seem very safe to me. Balance is going to be an issue, both for you and the passenger, not to mention the issue of having inadequate protection for her legs if you guys go into a slide. Skin grafts suck. Picking gravel out of a wound sucks.

I realize it's just around town, but I think you're both taking a risk that doesn't need to be taken.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:31 am quote
If you have to make an emergency manouver (which, I can tell you, taxis in downtown Toronto will make you do frequently enough) you passenger is toast. They are going to slide right off the side.

If he or she can't give up wearing skirts, then they shouldn't expect to have a ride.

The first summer I had my Vespa my GF kept wanting to ride with flip-flops and a fashion leather jacket and I insisted, as I now always do, that no one is allowed on the back of my scooter without the proper safety gear.

It's super-fun having a passenger but just not worth it if something were to happen and they got f*#ked up and I didn't. My conscience would eat me alive.

Just my 2 cents.

On an exciting note, my ET4 is going to emerge from its hibernational cocoon this weekend. WooT!!!

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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:48 am quote
Thanks guys, I agree with your views, I'm in the process of looking for a spare full face helmet, rather than the handy, fit under the seat half helmet I have right now, for safety reasons...

Colin, you me and a few Toronto riders should meet up soon for coffee, now the weather has turned for he better...
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:05 am quote
Re: Passenger riding side saddle?
Kev wrote:
My potential passenger has a skirt, and won't ride in the regular position...
Have her take the skirt off (just couldn't resist, I had to be the one to say it)

Very Bad Idea!!! There "use to" be a lot of dumb things people did. (AB use to let employees drink on the line.) You and your passenger should ride all gear all the time.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:33 am quote
yes - have her ride without her skirt side saddle - especially if you don't like her and hope to lose her.

And while you're at it why don't you have a few open cold ones while you're riding....may as well throw all caution to the wind while you're at it

[insert sarcasim font here]

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Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:27 am quote
I've seen a lot of pictures of Bajaj scooters in India and it is common practice (as well as having kids stand on the floorboards). The Bajaj even comes with a big foot platform on the side cowl bar for the side-sitters feet. This foot platform feature was on scooters sold in India, not the US, but a few did manage to end up here in the states.

With that said, I would do everything to NOT do this. It's just plain dangerous. I used to ride a honda 90 without a helmet when I was a kid, as well as a street bike in my teen years sans helmet. Would I do that today? Big negative!
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:34 am quote
Maybe she could wear koolots (sp?).
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:46 am quote
I've had female passenger ride with skirt before. Not really a big deal, just depend on how long the skirt/dress is and how they get on. Short skirt and short girl will equal short SHOW…hehe. But it's doable, perhaps not as save as proper gear…though. Maybe some of the female can chime in…or Scotsmen!

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Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:55 am quote
xman wrote:
I've had female passenger ride with skirt before. Not really a big deal, just depend on how long the skirt/dress is and how they get on. Short skirt and short girl will equal short SHOW…hehe. But it's doable, perhaps not as save as proper gear…though. Maybe some of the female can chime in…or Scotsmen!
or the current hippie-boys here. Skirts have been in for men for at least 5 years in that crowd!
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:04 am quote
Skirt-wearer chiming in here...

I wouldn't ride pillion wearing a skirt, and I would never ride sidesaddle, despite the allure of those old Vespa posters. However, I often wear a skirt while driving the scooter, weather permitting, of course.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:06 am quote
Bit breezy,I'd have thought,scooterwop!!
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:13 am quote
Actually I rode side saddle (with no passenger) just because the ride was getting boring. It really didn't seem to throw the ballance off. Since the scooter has no foot brake I didn't see it as a safety issue. Of course I was going slow and when traffic heated up I went back to my normal riding position. In short if the ride is slow and easy it may not be an issue but if you are in NYC traffic forgetaboutit.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:37 pm quote
Scootawop wrote:
However, I often wear a skirt while driving the scooter, weather permitting, of course.
Did I hear somebody say "post pictures"?
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:51 pm quote
In my Vespa Dealer's store the other day was a reconditioned 1956 or 60 model, someone had traded it for a new GTS.
It was beautiful, a real stunning scooter.
I notice the rear passenger foot rest, it looked more like a shelf actually - one only stuck out on the side.
Split seats as well, my wife goes "why didn't you buy it??" you know, I really think I should've (but my lotto numbers didn't come up) - I wouldn't ride it though, it's a work of art.
It looked so diddy compared to my GT parked next to it.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:31 pm quote
Re: Passenger riding side saddle?
Kev wrote:
is it now outlawed due to safety, or just not seen for other reasons?
Yes. In California, Vehicle Code section 27800 says:
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Every passenger on a motorcycle or a motorized bicycle shall keep his feet on the footrests while such vehicle is in motion.
For details see http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27800.htm
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:17 pm quote
Re: Passenger riding side saddle?
smorgasbord wrote:
In California, Vehicle Code section 27800 says:
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Every passenger on a motorcycle or a motorized bicycle shall keep his feet on the footrests while such vehicle is in motion.
For details see http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27800.htm
Well, considering that in India it's considered proper for a woman to sit side saddle, and they even have a foot rest designed for 2 feet, would having that footrest on your scooter make it legal in CA to have a passenger ride sidesaddle?

Of course lots of the pictures I've seen of Indian riders makes me wonder, 5 people on a scooter (a whole family) and the only one with a helmet is the male authority figure. Does that mean in India they're the only ones considered worth protecting?
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:41 pm quote
Just for you, Larry
lomunchi wrote:
Scootawop wrote:
However, I often wear a skirt while driving the scooter, weather permitting, of course.
Did I hear somebody say "post pictures"?
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:47 pm quote


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Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:17 pm quote
I have seen it done a lot on my trips to Asian countries, but just don't think its too safe!
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:43 pm quote
Side saddle
..................................it's kinda' like wearing a shorty helmet....or riding naked...............................................................................................................sorry about that, I think the vodka martini kicked in.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:06 pm quote
OK, now that I have the MN rule book out I'm dangerous...

"-No person may ride as a passenger on the motorcycle unless the footrests on each side of the motorcycle can be reached with both feet.

-Operators and passengers must sit astride the motorcycle seat, facing forward, and with one leg on either side of the motorcycle. (Side car and some three-wheelers exempted. )"

That's clear enough for my state.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:13 pm quote
I need to get one of these for my GT

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Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:55 pm quote
You mean the girl? They're on back order at ScooterWest! You can order them to match your scoot, though!
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:56 pm quote
Excuse me, but does anyone have a pic of Giada De Laurentiis riding side saddle... I think that will help me understand this thread better.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:02 pm quote
Packa wrote:
Excuse me, but does anyone have a pic of Giada De Laurentiis riding side saddle... I think that will help me understand this thread better.
Is she the hot chef on TV? My 19 year old nephew and his college buddies watch the cooking channel just to see her!
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:10 pm quote
lomunchi wrote:
"-No person may ride as a passenger on the motorcycle unless the footrests on each side of the motorcycle can be reached with both feet.

-Operators and passengers must sit astride the motorcycle seat, facing forward, and with one leg on either side of the motorcycle. (Side car and some three-wheelers exempted. )"
Beat me to it. I was going to look it up for MN as well.
I just think that I would be worried for teh passenger. I can see them sliding off to easily. Safty hazard
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:30 pm quote
lomunchi wrote:
Packa wrote:
Excuse me, but does anyone have a pic of Giada De Laurentiis riding side saddle... I think that will help me understand this thread better.
Is she the hot chef on TV? My 19 year old nephew and his college buddies watch the cooking channel just to see her!
Yea, I think she's hot. Always with the low cut tops, leaning over to take the lasagna out of the oven. Mamma Mia! That'sa one a'spicy meatball.

My wife thinks she has a really large head. Now that's what I always notice 1st. Sometimes second.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:11 pm quote


I see she is also sporting the emergency ejection parachute, ie, umbrella. That should break her fall.
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:23 pm quote
Packa wrote:
Excuse me, but does anyone have a pic of Giada De Laurentiis riding side saddle...
This is the closest I could find:
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:29 pm quote
Nukie wrote:


I see she is also sporting the emergency ejection parachute, ie, umbrella. That should break her fall.
That isn't an ejection parachute. It is there to protect her from the huge Cs falling from the sky!
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:02 am quote
Smorris wrote:
That isn't an ejection parachute. It is there to protect her from the huge Cs falling from the sky!
BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:52 am quote
Smorris wrote:
That isn't an ejection parachute. It is there to protect her from the huge Cs falling from the sky!
That's fabulous!!!

It reminds me of looking up in the sky to try and see the huge "H" that the weather man showed on the map...
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:57 am quote
One of the classics: Gina Lollobrigida!

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Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:09 pm quote
I plead for an exception for Gina Lola.
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:17 pm quote
side saddle
Just returned from Delhi this morning. Riding side saddle is common on both motorcycles and scooters.

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