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Can someone explain how the Clauss Studio upper shock to frame mount works? Anybody have an installed picture of one?
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It gets held in by two attachment points. You have to drill a second hole in you frame to mount it up in there. If no one else posts up a pic I can probably take on later today.
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I saw a Piaggio mount it looked like a piece of rubber stuck between two sheets of metal. Does the Clauss mount replace the piece of rubber completely?
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Christopher_55934 wrote: I saw a Piaggio mount it looked like a piece of rubber stuck between two sheets of metal. Does the Clauss mount replace the piece of rubber completely? |
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And now for pics...
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Another pic
***EDIT: I just realized that i'm holding up the shock mount so it's 180 degrees off. So if you turn it 540 degrees the other direction, it will be correctly situated. ⚠️ Last edited by whodatschrome on UTC; edited 1 time
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Whodat - LMAO.
You went to do a good deed and shoot a pic - and ended up with a full blown fixit project. Thanks for the chuckle. Christopher - I am using the PLC lower mount to replace the rubber at the back of the motor. No noticeable change in vibration. (PLC are through SIP and others). Considering upgrading the "silent block" motor mount to either Clause or PLC or other. Dont really want to have a jarring ride - but looking to weed out any unwanted wobbles at speed. Whodat (and others) what's the word on the various versions out there from PLC/Clause/others? https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rubber+engine+mounting+bushs+_17472620 |
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charlieman22 wrote: Whodat - LMAO. You went to do a good deed and shoot a pic - and ended up with a full blown fixit project. Thanks for the chuckle. Christopher - I am using the PLC lower mount to replace the rubber at the back of the motor. No noticeable change in vibration. (PLC are through SIP and others). Considering upgrading the "silent block" motor mount to either Clause or PLC or other. Dont really want to have a jarring ride - but looking to weed out any unwanted wobbles at speed. Whodat (and others) what's the word on the various versions out there from PLC/Clause/others? https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rubber+engine+mounting+bushs+_17472620 I have those orange PLC in my red PK125XL build PK smallframe touring cylinder options (Page 4) I'm not finished with the build, so i can't say how they feel. I think they have two different durometers?...green ones as well. I like orange so i bought orange. Charlie, your scooter needs the orange ones! I think the orange flavored PCL mounts are a little bit softer durometer than the Clauss. When i performed a scientific side by side "bite test" a few months ago, the orange tasted softer than Clauss black. *(i think he might make blue flavored ones now? I have zero experience with that variety). I also saw some super trick swingarm bearings. I was thinking about getting those for my pink PK, but i figured that the bearings would get wet and rust at some point. If they were available years ago, i definitely would have installed them in my T5 track bike. I have some other PX's as well that still have the stock rubber bushings. Those are nice and "Cadillac cush" for sure. I'm not really a fan of anyone's lower rear poly shock mount yet. The bushing seems to float around in the mouting hole in the case, which causes the shock mount to rub against the case mount. I haven't had an issue with that when using the original rubber bushings. I think sometimes poly bushings can bring other things to light...such as if you have a crank that's a little bit out of balance, then you go and install some harder durometer engine bushings, and poof!...instant vibrations galore! |
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I have the Clauss uppers, and also run Clauss Mounts (blueberry flavor) in both my Stella and Sprint motors.
I don't notice vibration in the Stella motor, but do notice more on the Sprint motor. I'm about to re-assemble my VBB motor with regular rubber mounts, so I'll have a basis for comparison after that. And, in case you were wondering, installing that Clauss upper mount was a brutal project in a bike that wasn't a bare frame. |
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chandlerman wrote: I have the Clauss uppers, and also run Clauss Mounts (blueberry flavor) in both my Stella and Sprint motors. I don't notice vibration in the Stella motor, but do notice more on the Sprint motor. I'm about to re-assemble my VBB motor with regular rubber mounts, so I'll have a basis for comparison after that. And, in case you were wondering, installing that Clauss upper mount was a brutal project in a bike that wasn't a bare frame. So the factory rubber part screws into the frame, then the shock screws into that. The Clauss mount has two mounting holes and the shock screws into that. |
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Christopher_55934 wrote: Did the mount come with installation instructions? Going to email and ask them about getting a set. So the factory rubber part screws into the frame, then the shock screws into that. The Clauss mount has two mounting holes and the shock screws into that. The Clauss mount has two holes, so you re-use one hole and drill a new hole for the second mounting bolt. Then you screw the shock+spacer onto the mount like you normally would. |
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Anyone know the diameter needed for a Stella rear engine shock mount bushing? Two sizes listed 9mm or 10mm. |
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chandlerman wrote: I have the Clauss uppers, and also run Clauss Mounts (blueberry flavor) in both my Stella and Sprint motors. I don't notice vibration in the Stella motor, but do notice more on the Sprint motor. I'm about to re-assemble my VBB motor with regular rubber mounts, so I'll have a basis for comparison after that. And, in case you were wondering, installing that Clauss upper mount was a brutal project in a bike that wasn't a bare frame. |
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Christopher - appreciate you letting me borrow the thread a bit for additional feedback/update from those using. Been looking at these simultaneously - but hadn't considered that top mount.
Just curious - what are you looking to improve by using - is the bike doing something specifically? Whodat! Gracious. Dissertation is excellent. Tks! Chandlerman - Kinda interesting that one bike is less smooth with them than the other. Will be interesting to see if you prefer the "Cadillac" ride vs the sport suspension feel when you rebuild with new. I put some BGM ones in on my last build - extremely cushy feel - but find them too squishy from a "control" standpoint. Softer than the LML style with metal tube on OD. |
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charlieman22 wrote: Christopher - appreciate you letting me borrow the thread a bit for additional feedback/update from those using. Been looking at these simultaneously - but hadn't considered that top mount. Just curious - what are you looking to improve by using - is the bike doing something specifically? Whodat! Gracious. Dissertation is excellent. Tks! Chandlerman - Kinda interesting that one bike is less smooth with them than the other. Will be interesting to see if you prefer the "Cadillac" ride vs the sport suspension feel when you rebuild with new. I put some BGM ones in on my last build - extremely cushy feel - but find them too squishy from a "control" standpoint. Softer than the LML style with metal tube on OD. ⚠️ Last edited by Christopher_55934 on UTC; edited 1 time
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Installing the CS mount is pulling the tank and drilling a hole then one extra nut and bolt.
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ScooterRaton wrote: Installing the CS mount is pulling the tank and drilling a hole then one extra nut and bolt. |
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Christopher_55934 wrote: https://www.claussstudios.com/store/c46/vespa.html Anyone know the diameter needed for a Stella rear engine shock mount bushing? Two sizes listed 9mm or 10mm. |
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I run a full clauss setup on my purple scoot
Top shock mount (rear) Bottom shock mount (rear) Engine Mounts front shock (top) it feels really "planted" with this setup. not air ride soft, but less engine vibration and better control that a set of worn bushings they replaced thats for sure I replace all the lower bushings in mine with the 10mm variety. but thats so i have a consistent bush throughout all my scoots and can swap engines over from one to the other without any issues. been caught out in the past when a 9mm bolt made a bit for freedom and all i had were 10mm bolts.. you get the idea oh and the best part..... If you wear or damage then from use, they will replace them free as they have a lifetime warranty |
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Good Feedback everyone. i have a full set of these on the shelf, waiting to go in. I wish they made a shock top and front top bushings for the Smallframe.
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GeekLion wrote: Good Feedback everyone. i have a full set of these on the shelf, waiting to go in. I wish they made a shock top and front top bushings for the Smallframe. |
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Gravelrash2004 wrote: GeekLion wrote: Good Feedback everyone. i have a full set of these on the shelf, waiting to go in. I wish they made a shock top and front top bushings for the Smallframe. |
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the rear suspension looks to be common across a large swathe of the smallframe range
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/centre+stand+brake+pedal++shock+absorber+rear-624? so a mix and match of parts on clauss site could/should yield a full rear suspension upgrade NICE |
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They look easy enough except the engine mount, you have to pull the motor completely out it looks like. Then getting the bushing out can be fun, from the videos I've seen.
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Christopher_55934 wrote: ScooterRaton wrote: Installing the CS mount is pulling the tank and drilling a hole then one extra nut and bolt. I always sign and date inside the tank area for someone to fine someday! |
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Gravelrash2004 wrote: the rear suspension looks to be common across a large swathe of the smallframe range https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/centre+stand+brake+pedal++shock+absorber+rear-624? so a mix and match of parts on clauss site could/should yield a full rear suspension upgrade NICE The Front shock Top buffers may work OK, but the P-series buffers are larger Inside & Outside diameter. I'll have to compare to see if it can be made to work safely. Outside diameter can be cut down to fit in the mount cup, but I feel like there is too much play on the larger Inside diameter. The top shock bolt 'floats around' Inside the buffer, and can contact the metal mount plate. |
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GeekLion wrote: Gravelrash2004 wrote: the rear suspension looks to be common across a large swathe of the smallframe range https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/centre+stand+brake+pedal++shock+absorber+rear-624? so a mix and match of parts on clauss site could/should yield a full rear suspension upgrade NICE The Front shock Top buffers may work OK, but the P-series buffers are larger Inside & Outside diameter. I'll have to compare to see if it can be made to work safely. Outside diameter can be cut down to fit in the mount cup, but I feel like there is too much play on the larger Inside diameter. The top shock bolt 'floats around' Inside the buffer, and can contact the metal mount plate. |
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whodatschrome wrote: GeekLion wrote: Gravelrash2004 wrote: the rear suspension looks to be common across a large swathe of the smallframe range https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/centre+stand+brake+pedal++shock+absorber+rear-624? so a mix and match of parts on clauss site could/should yield a full rear suspension upgrade NICE The Front shock Top buffers may work OK, but the P-series buffers are larger Inside & Outside diameter. I'll have to compare to see if it can be made to work safely. Outside diameter can be cut down to fit in the mount cup, but I feel like there is too much play on the larger Inside diameter. The top shock bolt 'floats around' Inside the buffer, and can contact the metal mount plate. |
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"Vespa"
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rubber+buffer+shock+absorber+_17815000 https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rubber+buffer+rear+top+lower_17814900 These seem to be the equivalents "Clauss Studio" https://www.claussstudios.com/store/p545/Vespa_ET_LX150_S_Polyurethane_Rear_Shock_Bushings.html https://www.claussstudios.com/store/p542/Vespa_GTS_GTV_250_300_Polyurethane_Upper_Rear_Shock_Bushings.html Please bare in mind - i dont have a smallframe anymore so "caveat emptor" as they say https://www.claussstudios.com/store/p541/Vespa_PX_ET_LX_150_MP3_GTV_250_Polyurethane_Front_Shock.html Its really niggling me, as in, im sure someone has used part of this set as well to replace a top bushing on the rear mount..... i just cant find the evidence at the moment to support the assumption GeekLion wrote: whodatschrome wrote: GeekLion wrote: Gravelrash2004 wrote: the rear suspension looks to be common across a large swathe of the smallframe range https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/centre+stand+brake+pedal++shock+absorber+rear-624? so a mix and match of parts on clauss site could/should yield a full rear suspension upgrade NICE The Front shock Top buffers may work OK, but the P-series buffers are larger Inside & Outside diameter. I'll have to compare to see if it can be made to work safely. Outside diameter can be cut down to fit in the mount cup, but I feel like there is too much play on the larger Inside diameter. The top shock bolt 'floats around' Inside the buffer, and can contact the metal mount plate. |
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One semi-random suggestion, make sure you have a ratchet end 13mm wrench and the job will be a lot easier.
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X3!
I bought them in all sizes from 6mm to 17mm. Total game changer. Love my socket set and ratchet spanners chandlerman wrote: One semi-random suggestion, make sure you have a ratchet end 13mm wrench and the job will be a lot easier. |
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