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Took my Mp3 to the dealer and hooked up on a diagnosis software. sad to say the mechanic doesnt know what hes doing. So I just took a snap shot of the screen. maybe somebody here can interpret what the error means. I left the dealership still with the same problem. and still charged me for the diagnosis .
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Take your air cleaner housing off including the intake hose and look for a little port on the throttle body once the intake hose is off. It's right next to the throttle plate. Then get some throttle body cleaner and spray it in the while the scooter is running. May have to get someone to work the throttle for you while you spray.
The idle pass by just needs cleaning out. There is a FW update too, but doesn't sound like your dealer has the knowledge of how to do one. |
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WEB-Tech wrote: Take your air cleaner housing off including the intake hose and look for a little port on the throttle body once the intake hose is off. It's right next to the throttle plate. Then get some throttle body cleaner and spray it in the while the scooter is running. May have to get someone to work the throttle for you while you spray. The idle pass by just needs cleaning out. There is a FW update too, but doesn't sound like your dealer has the knowledge of how to do one. |
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jimc wrote: All about idle: https://cheekythoma3.wixsite.com/itsme/idle |
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My Yourban had the same problem and cleaning the throttle body in accordance with the info featured in the link provided by jimc has really improved things.
It took me about an hour to complete the task (I took the throttle body out and fitted it again...) and I spent about £6 on intake cleaner. If possible, try and spray some cleaner into the idle inlet whilst the bike is idling... I sprayed a little silicon lubricant on the internal edges of the rubber inlet pipes to make things easier to get off/on... |
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Strange that some bikes suffer from this problem, and some don't
I'm thinking this may be due to a fuel quality issue. My MP3 has just turned 25K km and idle is rock steady, never having touched or cleaned the throttle body. Granted, I use Shell V-Power exclusively (on all my vehicles) along with Liqui Moly fuel injector cleaner. I check the top of the pistons with a borescope at each plug interval (10k kms) and there is no carbon build up. |
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sbaert wrote: Strange that some bikes suffer from this problem, and some don't I'm thinking this may be due to a fuel quality issue. My MP3 has just turned 25K km and idle is rock steady, never having touched or cleaned the throttle body. Granted, I use Shell V-Power exclusively (on all my vehicles) along with Liqui Moly fuel injector cleaner. I check the top of the pistons with a borescope at each plug interval (10k kms) and there is no carbon build up. read Cheeky Thomas page like JimC provided in his response above |
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I only wash and re-oil the air filter every 10k km as per the service manual, yet no problems.
But your theory re. overoiling of the filter is definitely a possibility, as is the fact that Piaggio lists the wrong engine oil capacity at 1.7L while it should be 1.5Liters. Excess engine oil will work its way into the air filter box and the air filter. Then I can see how that could screw up the idle air bypass valve. |
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When installing the air cleaning housing to the chassis. If the first bolt you put in won't catch the threads of the blind nut, try starting the other bolt first. Happens to me every time, mess with one bolt for 5 minutes, then try the other one and it goes right in then first one lines up too |
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Gurranted you have not cleaned out the bypass hole if you cleaned it while still attached to the engine.just remove throttle body and clean bypass hole properly and you should be able to pour something in one side of the hole and have it come out the other.
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buddyspudface wrote: Gurranted you have not cleaned out the bypass hole if you cleaned it while still attached to the engine.just remove throttle body and clean bypass hole properly and you should be able to pour something in one side of the hole and have it come out the other. |
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envirosolarmate wrote: wonder why my youtube link doesnt work https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2405057#2405057 It's been known for YEARS that youtube links posted directly on MV will not work with Chrome - I'm surprised you never bumped into it before! |
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ok ill try to take the throttle body off. but i cant get to it. is there a video or picture to show which fairings to remove to get to it? tnx mate[/quote]
It's all doable from just the seat storage panel removal. Plenty of topics all over mv it's a very simple job to do. Philips screwdriver and I think a 10mm open ended spanner for the throttle cable. |
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If the motor runs I would try the throttle body cleaner first. Why take the throttle body off?
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WEB-Tech wrote: If the motor runs I would try the throttle body cleaner first. Why take the throttle body off? |
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buddyspudface wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: If the motor runs I would try the throttle body cleaner first. Why take the throttle body off? Fixed my idle problem every time, now I just do it when I do air filter service. |
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I did try to clean the throttle body while its still connected idle tend to improve it takes more than a while before the engines shuts off but I notice rich 0² smoke smell. Did I ruined my ECU ?
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envirosolarmate wrote: I did try to clean the throttle body while its still connected idle tend to improve it takes more than a while before the engines shuts off but I notice rich 0² smoke smell. Did I ruined my ECU ? you need to get it on the center stand, take the tilt lock off, and have it about 2500-3000 rpms and then 2-3 sec bursts be sure to aim to the hole/port. keep it running and do this about 5-6 times. I do recommend replacing the spark plug after doing the cleaning as the cleaning tends to break depsosits loose and they can collect on the spark plug. |
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old as dirt wrote: envirosolarmate wrote: I did try to clean the throttle body while its still connected idle tend to improve it takes more than a while before the engines shuts off but I notice rich 0² smoke smell. Did I ruined my ECU ? you need to get it on the center stand, take the tilt lock off, and have it about 2500-3000 rpms and then 2-3 sec bursts be sure to aim to the hole/port. keep it running and do this about 5-6 times. I do recommend replacing the spark plug after doing the cleaning as the cleaning tends to break depsosits loose and they can collect on the spark plug. |
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UPDATE: Keep stalling when I release throttle and in idling&
Hello mates finally I was able to resolved the problem.. after cleaning the throttle body and the lamda sensor, cleaning the Jet and checking the fuel filter and pump the problem remains then my mechanic replaced the ignition coil and WALA perfect the engine runs smoothly. so just trying to say you might want to add on your checklist the Ignition coil when troubleshooting this kind of problem. thank you for your inputs and comments guys.
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well done for getting it sorted, and its nice when people take the time to report back to the forum with updates.
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buddyspudface wrote: well done for getting it sorted, and its nice when people take the time to report back to the forum with updates.
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