Tilt motor not working did anyone have experienced this
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2009 MP3 400ie
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:35 pm quote
sorry guys im here again with another prob. my last one is engine shutting off when release throttle on low speed ive cleaned the throttle body again last nite but still same problem. today while riding after the engine stall when I switch on the key theres a continous beep when i lock the tilt but goes away when i unlocked it ..however i dont hear the 2 beeps anymore when i unlocked it and ive notice the tilt motor is not moving at all when switching to lock and unlock. took off the front panel tilt fluid is good. i took the battery off for 5mins but same prob. did anybody had this prob before and was able to fix it.. also checked all fuses all OK.

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Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:45 pm quote
What condition is your battery in? How old is it? When did you last check its 'at rest' volts?
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:14 pm quote
jimc wrote:
What condition is your battery in? How old is it? When did you last check its 'at rest' volts?
battery is new mate. last month only. and the engine starts right away.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:51 am quote
the pot meter is off its 12 degrees

remove lower electric engine from the top hydrolic part

Set the top part at 12 degrees again with the little screw i've shows lots of times between 11 and 13 degrees you should not hear a Beep when you put the ignation on if you doe it with ignation on it will keep beeping

assemble all again and it should work again
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:55 am quote
Maksor wrote:
the pot meter is off its 12 degrees

remove lower electric engine from the top hydrolic part

Set the top part at 12 degrees again with the little screw i've shows lots of times between 11 and 13 degrees you should not hear a Beep when you put the ignation on if you doe it with ignation on it will keep beepin
assemble all again and it should work again
thank u for your advice but Im not sure how to remove the motor and know the degrees is there a picture reference I could use. thank u mate.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:13 am quote
download the workshop manual
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:15 pm quote
If you are unsure as to how to set-up the 'pot' in relation to the electric drive motor & hydraulic drive part,let me know. I received excellent practical advice from a member several years ago and would be happy to pass it on.
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:56 pm quote
spdtwn wrote:
If you are unsure as to how to set-up the 'pot' in relation to the electric drive motor & hydraulic drive part,let me know. I received excellent practical advice from a member several years ago and would be happy to pass it on.
please do tell, inquiring minds are always wanting to know more and better stuff.
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:53 am quote
I would like to know too, after two years trying to empty my garage there might be enough space to get my Fuoco in it and start to work out why the tilt lock isn't working soon...
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:55 pm quote
Some history. 2014 I bought my 2007 MP3 250. "it's all good-except that front lock parking system doesn't work, I've included the parts to fix it-just haven't the time'. Little did I know what I was letting myself in for!
Part supplied was the electric ( ex wiper) motor. I soon found out further items were required ie. ECU,Geared motor (internals had been stuffed) & potentiometer. Local agents mechanic had advised me to part the bike out for scrap as cost of repairs would be sky high...
The advice I received from MV member Alistair on understanding the system was priceless.
Having ascertained that all the above parts function: I removed the pot.tested its full sweep resistance 5 ohm-it has 3 contact pins; test meter on center & either outer pins. I set it to 2.5 ohms. Then removed the cap on the electric motor and using a long bladed screwdriver I backed the screw off as far as it would go-bringing the geared motor to the start of its travel; then wound the electric motor the other way- this time COUNTING THE TURNS- from memory 166 full turns of the screwdriver ( had notched the handle so I could tell a full turn). So, to center the gm I backed off half ie; 166 divided by 2 =83 turns. Now having both the pot & the gm centered I slipped on the pot-and switched on the ignition. Oh! happy day!! Not a beep and the whole system swung into action.
All this is to the best of my recollection-however at 85 that's not always to be relied upon!

Good luck to all who tread this path.
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:12 pm quote
spdtwn wrote:
Some history. 2014 I bought my 2007 MP3 250. "it's all good-except that front lock parking system doesn't work, I've included the parts to fix it-just haven't the time'. Little did I know what I was letting myself in for!
Part supplied was the electric ( ex wiper) motor. I soon found out further items were required ie. ECU,Geared motor (internals had been stuffed) & potentiometer. Local agents mechanic had advised me to part the bike out for scrap as cost of repairs would be sky high...
The advice I received from MV member Alistair on understanding the system was priceless.
Having ascertained that all the above parts function: I removed the pot.tested its full sweep resistance 5 ohm-it has 3 contact pins; test meter on center & either outer pins. I set it to 2.5 ohms. Then removed the cap on the electric motor and using a long bladed screwdriver I backed the screw off as far as it would go-bringing the geared motor to the start of its travel; then wound the electric motor the other way- this time COUNTING THE TURNS- from memory 166 full turns of the screwdriver ( had notched the handle so I could tell a full turn). So, to center the gm I backed off half ie; 166 divided by 2 =83 turns. Now having both the pot & the gm centered I slipped on the pot-and switched on the ignition. Oh! happy day!! Not a beep and the whole system swung into action.
All this is to the best of my recollection-however at 85 that's not always to be relied upon!

Good luck to all who tread this path.
whoa good for you.thanks for sharing mate. will have to digest everything.
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Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:57 pm quote
UPDATE: TILT motor not working ..
Finally my mechanic was able to solve the problem. He removed all the covering ( refer to the picture ) there is a large pin socket located behind near the bottom of the center post which supply power from the ecu to the whole front system what he did was removed the socket then sprayed with electrical cleaner put it back and it worked. it solved the problem of long beeping sound when you switch on and off the roll lock and the motor not turning to activate the mechanism.

ps. sorry i was not able to take picture of the socket but my picture will show you approximately where you will find it.

Hope this will help guys.

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Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:27 am quote
Having just had all the panels off my fuoco to replace the parking brake cable and seen how much dirt was in and around the fuse holder which i spotlessly cleaned some time ago i'm not supprised the electrical connection was the problem. I've now covered the fuse holder with a plastic bag and cable tie.
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Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:24 am quote
3legsofman wrote:
Having just had all the panels off my fuoco to replace the parking brake cable and seen how much dirt was in and around the fuse holder which i spotlessly cleaned some time ago i'm not supprised the electrical connection was the problem. I've now covered the fuse holder with a plastic bag and cable tie.
yes thats true mate that is why once in awhile we need to clean all the fuseboxes....BUT do you think its not a hazard to cover the fusebox with plastic? incase theres a shortage and it might caught on fire? just asking.
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Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:03 am quote
envirosolarmate wrote:
3legsofman wrote:
Having just had all the panels off my fuoco to replace the parking brake cable and seen how much dirt was in and around the fuse holder which i spotlessly cleaned some time ago i'm not supprised the electrical connection was the problem. I've now covered the fuse holder with a plastic bag and cable tie.
yes thats true mate that is why once in awhile we need to clean all the fuseboxes....BUT do you think its not a hazard to cover the fusebox with plastic? incase theres a shortage and it might caught on fire? just asking.
Hardly - if there was a short somewhere a fuse would blow and that would be the end of it.



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Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:47 am quote
Hi All,

After a long break I have made space in the garage to try and fix my tilt lock issue.

When you turn on the ignition everything is fine, but if you try and disengage the tilt lock it gives a five second beep folllowed by a two second silence and then it repeats. The tilt lock warning light will go red at the same time.
The same thing happens if you start the engine and try and drive off.

The background to this is that I rode the bike into work fine, and then when I tried to go home again the issue happened.

I have replaced the parking control unit with another second hand one but still get the same issue. Hydraulic fluid looks ok, but will try the following unless anybody has better ideas.

Clean all the electrical plugs
Bleed the tilt lock hydraulics
Try and reset the potentiometer using the method described in this thread

If all of that doesnn't work I might trailter it to a Piaggio garage and get them to look at the error codes, but I'm not going to give any dealer a blank cheque to just play around and try and fix it, because the bike isn't worth that much anymore.

I have put up a vid of the beeping on youtube. Its called

Fuoco, parking computer beep

Any thoughts appreciated..
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:18 pm quote
In the MP3 forum there is another thread on the tilt lock. I did exactly that and it freed the wiper motor and everything went perfect again.
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:21 pm quote
This fixed mine

This post with photo.

Subject /
Tilt lock stuck + alarm ==> solved!
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Fuoco 500ie - 2007, Benelli Adiva 150 - 2003
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:11 am quote
It worked!!
Well, what do you know!

Just gave that screw adjuster a slight tweak clockwise and tried the tilt lock and it started working perfectly again.

Slightly speechless! Thought that it would be a lot more pain than that to get it going again! Hopefully it won't come back.

Everybody should know about this little tweak. If you are far from home it might mean the difference between riding back and an expensive tow job...

Thanks for the tip! A lovely belated christmas present..
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:52 am quote
My issue NEVER returned. I think it was a result of low hydraulic fluid resulting in the motor running past the preset stops

Still not sure where the fluid went as all is dry and dusty around the shocks that are locked with this system and around the hydraulic pump.

Someone should start a group specifically on this issue. It appears the be so very very common.
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