Tilt lock issue
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gilera fuoco 500ie
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Location: Northampton uk
Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:18 am quote
Before we go out I start engine take off stand then engage tilt lock so my wife can climb on but recently tilt lock gives way when getting on..I can't see no leaks underneath
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:25 am quote
When was the last time the tilt lock fluid was flushed and replenished?
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 am quote
When you say, gives way, can you be more specific?
There are two main parts to the tiltlock. One locks the parallelogram by cable activated brake, the other clamps each leg so the suspension is made solid.

So, does the MP3:
1. Fall completely over to one side or the other? This would be failure of the cable actuated brake; perhaps a broken cable.

or,

2. Become wobbly, but basically stay upright? This would be failure of the hydraulic system, but should result in horn blasting an alarm due to low pressure.

My bet is on the cable system not working. Whether broken cable, or broken connection to the wiper arm motor that actuates it. Time to take off the front plastics....
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 am quote
One question; does your horn work?
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gilera fuoco 500ie
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:35 am quote
Horn works..bike is solid on tiltlock but would probably go over when my wife getting on it if I wasn't holding on to LHS handgrip.I have had bike about 9 months around 2k mileage in that time.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:24 am quote
Hold on a sec. Are you saying your wife is getting on by putting her entire weight on the footboard prior to sitting down???

The tilt lock is NOT a stability system. It is merely a convenience feature to avoid having to put your feet down such as during inclement weather. Personally, I never use it since I am scarred from riding conventional bikes.
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gilera fuoco 500ie
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:28 am quote
Ok.just it easier for her to get on..been fine up until last few weeks..she short and under 7st
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:08 pm quote
that isn't a problem i do it all the time

iff you put the tiltlock on and off a few times is it stiffer then ?
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:13 pm quote
What exactly is "7st"? Being American my mind keeps thinking 7th street or 7 stories.

Anyway, as I said earlier when was the hydraulic fluid for the tilt lock last flushed and refilled? The brake fluid used in the tilt lock is hydroscopic and absorbs moisture over time resulting in less than ideal performance. Case in point, a spongy brake feel.

And how old is this bike? Miles/km driven?
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:22 pm quote
its i think one of the shock rods that stabelizes the frontshock

7 st is about 45kilo so mostn't be a problem for the tilt lock
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:27 pm quote
Must be some type of obscure weights and measures system. I was under the impression that the UK used metric except for measuring speed which is still in mph.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:04 pm quote
sbaert wrote:
Must be some type of obscure weights and measures system. I was under the impression that the UK used metric except for measuring speed which is still in mph.
Medical staff use metric - the general population use stones and pounds.

14 pounds = 1 stone.

7 stone = 98 lb

98 lb ~= 44.5 kg

Beer is definitely still ordered by the pint (20 fl oz) in pubs, but sold in retail stores in metric measures.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:05 pm quote
Huh. Learned something new. And I thought the US was the only place left on earth with these diabolical systems of weights and measures.

And yes, cups are for bra sizes and pints are for beer.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:28 pm quote
sbaert wrote:
Huh. Learned something new. And I thought the US was the only place left on earth with these diabolical systems of weights and measures.

And yes, cups are for bra sizes and pints are for beer.
These days it's only human body weight that's expressed in 'stones'. Just about everything else will be metric.

Don't start me on 'cups'. Bloody US food recipes for domestic consumption are all measured out in iffy volumes. Cups, tablespoons, etc. The kitchen sink gets littered with different measuring implements. Ugh. No wonder most US food is junk. I always translate them to grams of each ingredient, makes life so much easier! Just the one container on the scales.

Oh dear, I did get started...
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am quote
jimc wrote:
sbaert wrote:
Must be some type of obscure weights and measures system. I was under the impression that the UK used metric except for measuring speed which is still in mph.
Medical staff use metric - the general population use stones and pounds.

14 pounds = 1 stone.

7 stone = 98 lb

98 lb ~= 44.5 kg

Beer is definitely still ordered by the pint (20 fl oz) in pubs, but sold in retail stores in metric measures.
I had never heard of this unit. Thank you jimc....And I thought I had heard it all by living in the US
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