Aftermarket Turn Indicators
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:09 pm quote
Hi all, long time rider but first time poster. I'm planning on replacing my MP3's turn indicators with these flowing LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/Kinstecks-luces-intermitentes-motocicleta-talla/dp/B07PJJ9CXD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

I haven't replaced anything like this before, but the two wires on the Amazon indicators don't match the plug for the wire on the stock indicators. Will these be compatible, and if not what can I do to make them fit? I understand that I'll need to install a flasher relay to get the LEDs to work properly.

Any insight on this job would be great, thanks!
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:16 am quote
I just cut off the connector on my old turn signals, and patched it into the new ones, soldering and heat-shrinking the joint. Then the new turn signals have the correct connector on them.

Two things to be concerned about:

1) LED turn signals have too little load to make them blink at the correct rate, actually the blinker module blinks fast with too little current as a feature- When it blinks fast, a bulb is burnt out. So you need to burn some current- solder a resistor in parallel to the turn signal. 16 ohms, 10 watt should do it, one on each side. The flasher relay is not easily replaced since it's integrated with the hazard flasher system.

2) LED turn signals are polar- it's important which wire is positive and which is negative. Hook them up backwards and they won't work.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:54 am quote
The best and easiest LED turn signal "upgrade" is to get the original Euro spec Piaggio LED turn signal assemblies AND relay from a 2018 or newer Euro spec MP3 500. It MUST be Euro spec as the US spec variant still uses the old incandescent version due to ancient DOT legislation.

Simple plug and play and works a treat. Also, the assemblies are sealed so no more water ingress like the old incandescent ones.

Also, the LED turn signals are just a tad longer to match the widest point of the scoot. This is a real bonus when splitting lanes.

EDIT: This is fully plug&play as long as you cut off the connector from the old incandescent stalk and splice it onto the new LED one.

NOTE: since it is not known exactly when Piaggio switched over the 500 to LED turn signal the foolproof way to get the correct ones are to order the ones from the MP3 350 variant. Since this is the newest MP3 (same body except engine wise), that way you are are sure to get the correct LED turn signal stalks.

piaggio-mp3_350-4.jpg

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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:02 am quote
sbaert wrote:
The best and easiest LED turn signal "upgrade" is to get the original Euro spec Piaggio LED turn signal assemblies AND relay from a 2018 or newer Euro spec MP3 500. It MUST be Euro spec as the US spec variant still uses the old incandescent version due to ancient DOT legislation.

Simple plug and play and works a treat. Also, the assemblies are sealed so no more water ingress like the old incandescent ones.

Also, the LED turn signals are just a tad longer to match the widest point of the scoot. This is a real bonus when splitting lanes.

EDIT: This is fully plug&play as long as you cut off the connector from the old incandescent stalk and splice it onto the new LED one.
If he is "REPLACING" blinker pods, then he has what in the EU you would call the "Gilera Fuoco", not an MP3.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:05 am quote
Re: Aftermarket Turn Indicators
InvalidArg wrote:
Hi all, long time rider but first time poster. I'm planning on replacing my MP3's turn indicators with these flowing LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/Kinstecks-luces-intermitentes-motocicleta-talla/dp/B07PJJ9CXD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1
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OP said MP3, nothing was mentioned about a Gilera Fuoco
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:09 am quote
Re: Aftermarket Turn Indicators
sbaert wrote:
InvalidArg wrote:
Hi all, long time rider but first time poster. I'm planning on replacing my MP3's turn indicators with these flowing LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/Kinstecks-luces-intermitentes-motocicleta-talla/dp/B07PJJ9CXD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1
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OP said MP3, nothing was mentioned about a Gilera Fuoco
Gilera doesn't have dealers in the US, so the Fuoco was sold in the US as the Piaggio MP3 500 till 2017 I think.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:22 am quote
I don't get the Gilera connection. OP's signature lists him having a Piaggio MP3 500
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:47 am quote
Re: Aftermarket Turn Indicators
WEB-Tech wrote:
sbaert wrote:
InvalidArg wrote:
Hi all, long time rider but first time poster. I'm planning on replacing my MP3's turn indicators with these flowing LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/Kinstecks-luces-intermitentes-motocicleta-talla/dp/B07PJJ9CXD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1
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OP said MP3, nothing was mentioned about a Gilera Fuoco
Gilera doesn't have dealers in the US, so the Fuoco was sold in the US as the Piaggio MP3 500 till 2017 I think.
I just did some quick research and I think this is actually correct - I have the US version of the Gilera Fuoco. Mine has the same metal front face as those from what I can tell. Should I change my forum flare?
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:50 am quote
It can only help avoid confusion. I was under the impression you had the standard Piaggio MP3.

But yeah, if you've got the metal Mad Max looking front then you've got a Gilera Fuoco
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:52 am quote
sbaert wrote:
It can only help avoid confusion. I was under the impression you had the standard Piaggio MP3.

But yeah, if you've got the metal Mad Max looking front then you've got a Gilera Fuoco
Thanks, I was under that impression too! How much does this change the advice I've gotten so far? It's a 2009 model.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:10 am quote
I honestly couldn't say. I am not familiar with the Fuoco.

But based on your model year, the info I gave may not be compatible with your model since the current gen MP3 (as shown in pic I posted above) debuted in Europe in 2014 I think, and came to the US somewhere in 2016? I guess.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:53 am quote
"How much does this change the advice I've gotten so far? It's a 2009 model."

Not whole lot. The bodywork is different between the Fuoco and the MP3 but functionally most of the parts are the same.

Turn signals are a pretty basic item so long as you can adapt the base of the stalk to fit where it needs to be mounted. As was stated you might need to add a resistor to compensate the load so the relay blinks correctly. Cut and splice the wires as necessary. I would recommend putting it together with some sort of connector for ease of maintenance later.

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Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:10 am quote
Using load resistors defeats the whole purpose (saving power) by going LED.

4 more items to buy and/or fail, get hot, get loose, etc.

Either do it right using the Piaggio LED compatible relay block, or just stick with what you've got.

FWIW, the LED relay costs a fraction over the old incadescent type. I think around 20 Euro for the genuine Piaggio LED relay.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:16 am quote
Saving power is nice, but the main objective is better visibility. Driving in the heart of Chicago all the time I notice a lot of car drivers not seeing my turn signals. The brightness of the LED along with the flowing animation should make my turns less surprising.

I'll look into all these options and post back what I end up with. Thanks all!
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:25 am quote
Of course better visibility is the main reason for going LED, but there is also another. Relief on the charging system.

Recently, I replaced the last bastion of halogen lighting out of my MP3 using a compatible OSRAM/Sylvania H7 bulb. See my other post for more details

Before the swap, at idle the bike would indicate around 13.5Volt. This would jump up to 14.6Volt as soon as throttle is applied. Since the swap, at idle I always see 14.5Volt and the high being 14.7-14.8Volt. In other words, less fluctation and more available reserve to keep the battery charged.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:27 am quote
sbaert wrote:
Of course better visibility is the main reason for going LED, but there is also another. Relief on the charging system.

Recently, I replaced the last bastion of halogen lighting out of my MP3 using a compatible OSRAM/Sylvania H7 bulb. See my other post for more details

Before the swap, at idle the bike would indicate around 13.5Volt. This would jump up to 14.6Volt as soon as throttle is applied. Since the swap, at idle I always see 14.5Volt and the high being 14.7-14.8Volt. In other words, less fluctation and more available reserve to keep the battery charged.
Using LEDs for the turn signals saves eff-all power, they are on for such a small proportion of your riding time. Totally spurious argument. However, they do come on in a square-wave manner, unlike the more sloped ON-OFF of incandescent lamps. This makes them much more visible.

However, using LEDs for all the rest of the lighting that's on permanently is a good way to gain some reserve in the charging system - if you really need it for heated gloves etc.

Do note that once the battery is fully charged you don't want much more than 13.6V across it as a float voltage anyway - which is why nearly all vehicle charging systems do not present the best charging profile.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:50 am quote
jimc is absolutely right- turn signals are a negligible battery drain. I changed mine so that they were brighter, more rugged, mounted on flexible stalks and they would never need their bulbs changed in several lifetimes. I didn't care about the power.

For power savings I changed the headlights to LED. That made a difference of about 50 watts (only 1/5 horsepower but more like 3/5 horsepower drag on the engine after inefficiencies), plus the new bulbs are much brighter.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:12 pm quote
So which bulbs did you use for the headlights? and do they fit without modification?
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:45 am quote
At the risk of a mild hijack of the thread, I used these bulbs:

https://www.amazon.com/BEAMTECH-Headlight-8000Lumens-Extremely-Conversion/dp/B06XHD78DQ/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=LED+headlight+H4&qid=1594913696&sr=8-3

They're 8000 lumens per pair, compared to 4000 per pair of halogens. They fit in the low beam socket without modification, but they have a slightly less defined cutoff line, but not really bad enough to cause oncoming traffic to notice. I put them in my car as well. The important thing is that the LED chip itself is nearly the same position in the reflector as the filament of a halogen bulb, so the focus is pretty close.

For the high beam socket, I just used the highest output LEDs I could find and didn't worry about focus. My 20,000 lumen high beams really light up the road.

I have a 2009 MP3 500, which has two H4 high-low reflectors above a pair of H11 high-only reflectors.

(edit- I probably got the bulb type wrong here- it might be H8 for both high and low beams as others say).

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Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:52 am quote
8000k is way to bright, 6400k or 5400k is better for other drivers and is more white not blue like the 8000k
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:17 am quote
No worries on hijacking the thread, LED headlights are relevant to what I'm looking to swap out in my bike.
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:56 pm quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
8000k is way to bright, 6400k or 5400k is better for other drivers and is more white not blue like the 8000k
I couldn't agree more! I loathe the high-temperature lights while driving. If everyone stuck to sensible numbers like 5400K then glare and peripheral vision problems would be minimised. Another example of illogical thinking that bigger numbers mean better 'performance'.

Maybe it *is* a compensation mechanism.
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:54 am quote
Re: Aftermarket Turn Indicators
InvalidArg wrote:
Hi all, long time rider but first time poster. I'm planning on replacing my MP3's turn indicators with these flowing LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/Kinstecks-luces-intermitentes-motocicleta-talla/dp/B07PJJ9CXD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

I haven't replaced anything like this before, but the two wires on the Amazon indicators don't match the plug for the wire on the stock indicators. Will these be compatible, and if not what can I do to make them fit? I understand that I'll need to install a flasher relay to get the LEDs to work properly.

Any insight on this job would be great, thanks!
I have a MP3 2009 model, and the indicators are on the wheel guard, which I think it is a lot nice and bigger than the ones of the new models, if the wheel guards fit your model, I would go for that.

I think that is what I would do, good luck.
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:32 am quote
I installed these OSRAM/Sylvania LED units about a month ago or so.

Perfect fit, even the rubber dust covers fit with room to spare. No fan or monster heat sink (all signs of inefficiency)

Illumination and cut off pattern are right on the mark as well. Color temp is 6000K, although 5000K would have been ideal for me.

No blinding effects of any kind to other drivers, and verified on a Hella beamsetter. No headlight adjustment was needed or required in my case.

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07P5NRV1K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Unfortunately, only the low beam bulb can be replaced due to the goofy non standard socket Piaggio uses for the high beam.
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 am quote
sbaert wrote:
I installed these OSRAM/Sylvania LED units about a month ago or so.

Perfect fit, even the rubber dust covers fit with room to spare. No fan or monster heat sink (all signs of inefficiency)

Illumination and cut off pattern are right on the mark as well. Color temp is 6000K, although 5000K would have been ideal for me.

No blinding effects of any kind to other drivers, and verified on a Hella beamsetter. No headlight adjustment was needed or required in my case.

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07P5NRV1K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Unfortunately, only the low beam bulb can be replaced due to the goofy non standard socket Piaggio uses for the high beam.
Might try a pair of these but the 70 for 2 bulbs is stopping me smashing my piggy bank. Just as a note all 4 bulb holders on my 2008 fuoco are identical and the bonus is you don't have to remove any thing other than the bulb to fit a replacement. At least thats one thing i don't swear at piaggio for
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:24 am quote
Be sure to check the bulb type on that Fuoco.

I vaguely remember that the Fuoco uses a different bulb type (H8???), but the H8 version is only half the cost of the H7.

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B07RT1FGJQ/ref=twister_B0877NQP8Z
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:56 am quote
My 2007 Fuoco had H8 bulbs in both lo and hi beam.
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Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:19 pm quote
Forgot they were H8 so it's a good job the H7 were so expensive and put me off buying them. I did buy some osram nightbreakers i think, which give a whiter light and more light on the road than a standard brand new osram bulb .The H8 LED at 48 pr i might take a punt at but will have to be in the mood for opening my wallet , it's that bit of yorkshire in me .
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:06 am quote
LMFAO. When you go out for dinner, do you bring your own steaks and drinks too?

FWIW, the Nightbreakers are very short lived bulbs just like the Silverstars. And the price/value does not make sense. BTDT
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:03 pm quote
sbaert wrote:
LMFAO. When you go out for dinner, do you bring your own steaks and drinks too?

FWIW, the Nightbreakers are very short lived bulbs just like the Silverstars. And the price/value does not make sense. BTDT
Thought wtf is lmfao so had to goggle it STEAK ! ,it's jam butties or bread and dripping washed down with what ever is the cheapest out of the kitchen sink tap.
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:31 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
8000k is way to bright, 6400k or 5400k is better for other drivers and is more white not blue like the 8000k
8000k is pretty darn blue- my bulbs were 8000 lumens of brightness but 6000k color temperature. It would be nice if they made LED's with a color temperature of more like 4500k- you can get HID bulbs at 4500k but they won't work in our headlamps.
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:35 am quote
I'm sorry, I confused my MP3 500 (actually Fuoco) with another bike that I replaced the bulbs in. I think they were H8 for both the high beams and the low beams after all. But it's always best to check the owner's manual and not rely on some random internet guy...
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:34 am quote
Mp3 125 250 300 400 500 use H1
USA 500 / Fuoco H8


the 500 ABS ASR model uses H7
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