P200 with Blue Ducati CDI and Kytronix in Stella
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:43 pm quote
Going to be putting a P200 with Blue Ducati CDI and Kytronix in my 2007 Stella. Any good reference material or posts for this?

Going to Need to figure out charging also, I have a battery system in mine.

I would spend more time looking but I need to suck up to Penelope. We went out of town for a few days and she is mad at us. She got to stay at a kennel.

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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:15 pm quote
Other than the part where my kytronix never worked worth a damn, I did exactly this for a couple years in my Stella until I went to flytech's and later the SIP/Vape. It worked perfectly. I'm about to put that same P200 ignition in my VBB once the new crank arrives.

You'll be happy with it. The flywheel is a little heavy, but you can swap to a lighter flywheel if you think it's making you slow.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:17 pm quote
Also, give your dog a headscratch for me. She's clearly a Very Good Girl!
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:35 pm quote
I need to figure out wiring, goes where.

The yellow wiring on the Stella going to the regulator looks like an A.C. input. What's does the P200 have? Need to get it in my hands to see wiring.I







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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:46 pm quote
I think I have a version of that diagram modified for the P200 ignition.

I'm on my phone right now, but will try to dig it up later once I get back to a real computer.

Basically, you just ignore all the wires to the CDI since that now sits on the motor and use the yellow (AC out from stator) to blue and the ground into your existing regulator/rectifier and you're good to go.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:49 pm quote
Also, you need to get the green/white kill switch wire over to the CDI, too. You can steal an unused wire from the old CDI for that.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:12 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
Also, you need to get the green/white kill switch wire over to the CDI, too. You can steal an unused wire from the old CDI for that.
Looks like the green from the stator would be a good candidate, looks like the factory kill switch wire. The blue is unused also but the green would match color wise.

Are those 5 wires, in the rubber junction box mounted on the motor? I'll have to finish putting spades on the factory LML, to make life easier if I put the LML motor back in some day.

Penelope says thanks, she loves a good scratch behind the ears.

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Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:54 pm quote
Here's what I'm dealing with.
A few pictures I need to figure out where these go.


Green - kill switch ?

Black - ground ?

Purple ?

Yellow ?

Yellow?

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Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:48 pm quote
It's going to be tough because you really need to get the correct rectifier. It won't really match with the Stella rectifier/regulator.

Purple is AC to the headlight. The two yellows are power to the regulator. Black is ground, green is the kill switch wire.

Check the wiring diagram for the pre-1979 P200E with ignition and battery on scooterhelp.
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:44 am quote
Temporary Setup to Try Out
Would this work for now?

White - Ground - already completed.

Red - AC power to CDI - already completed.

Green - Pickup coil signal - already attached.

Purple - Lighting coil - don't connect for now

Yellow #1 - Connect to LML regulator / rectifier AC input

Yellow #2 - connect to ground


Going to look into replacing lighting coils with the same coils that are in a Stella coils, and putting them in series also.
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:53 am quote
If I have to
How about this stator? Has five wires and looks to have everything I would need for a LML battery system if it will screw down and the pickup aligns with the flywheel.


http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/186147
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:40 am quote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Would this work for now?

White - Ground - already completed.

Red - AC power to CDI - already completed.

Green - Pickup coil signal - already attached.

Purple - Lighting coil - don't connect for now

Yellow #1 - Connect to LML regulator / rectifier AC input

Yellow #2 - connect to ground


Going to look into replacing lighting coils with the same coils that are in a Stella coils, and putting them in series also.
In theory this should work, albeit lower current as you suspect.
Christopher_55934 wrote:
How about this stator? Has five wires and looks to have everything I would need for a LML battery system if it will screw down and the pickup aligns with the flywheel.


http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/186147
This is a 7-wire stator so it wouldn't plug into your system. Same issue as the 7-wire 'double-yellow' stator your are trying to replace.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:52 am quote
poidog wrote:
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Would this work for now?

White - Ground - already completed.

Red - AC power to CDI - already completed.

Green - Pickup coil signal - already attached.

Purple - Lighting coil - don't connect for now

Yellow #1 - Connect to LML regulator / rectifier AC input

Yellow #2 - connect to ground


Going to look into replacing lighting coils with the same coils that are in a Stella coils, and putting them in series also.
In theory this should work, albeit lower current as you suspect.
Christopher_55934 wrote:
How about this stator? Has five wires and looks to have everything I would need for a LML battery system if it will screw down and the pickup aligns with the flywheel.


http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/186147
This is a 7-wire stator so it wouldn't plug into your system. Same issue as the 7-wire 'double-yellow' stator your are trying to replace.
Thanks, looks like this one then, it says non battery, but I don't think I care, my regulator / rectifier does the charging. I just need to get AC power to the rectifier / regulator.

90 watt

http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/217866

120 watt

http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/217866-120
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:56 am quote
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Thanks, looks like this one then, it says non battery, but I don't think I care, my regulator / rectifier does the charging. I just need to get AC power to the rectifier / regulator.

90 watt

http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/217866

120 watt

http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Complete-Stators/217866-120
I was just looking at those!
Exactly what I was thinking. The regulator/rectifier will handle the battery charging duties so you just need an AC generator. Should work just like the original.
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