Revel shuts down in NYC after second death in a week
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:36 pm quote
Well what could possibly go wrong. It is like letting skateboards loose in the city. No concept of road rules, no consideration for other street users etc.

Like cyclists they want to be road users one minute and pedestrians the next.
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:23 pm quote
No having to take a class, pass a test, not wearing helmets, no idea of how to ride...... and itís stuff like this that makes non-riders think all scooters should be banned!
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Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:38 pm quote
maggiegirl wrote:
No having to take a class, pass a test, not wearing helmets, no idea of how to ride...... and itís stuff like this that makes non-riders think all scooters should be banned!
waspmike wrote:
Well what could possibly go wrong. It is like letting skateboards loose in the city. No concept of road rules, no consideration for other street users etc.

Like cyclists they want to be road users one minute and pedestrians the next.
Here's the thing, though:

- In the course of a year, there have been over 200 traffic fatalities between cyclists, pedestrians and motorists in Gotham on account of (drum-roll, please) other motorists. This, somehow, is considered "the price of doing business." But two fatalities on Revel scoots? Gotta drop the hammer on them!

- To put a finer point on the above, I chronicled recently on another thread what I witnessed while astride a Revel scoot riding from Williamsburg to Park Slope in Brooklyn, some two days before Revel pulled the plug. To wit: a young guy on a well-worn Vespa GT200, riding neither with a helmet nor with a license plate, and, shortly after that, a guy on a sportbike, also without a helmet. And this is besides the kids hooning about on dirt bikes and quads minus helmets, tags, or seemingly a care in the world. Plus, how about some of those NYC motorists!

The Upshot: There's a ton of skanky motoring happening in Gotham, and while traffic enforcement has always been an equivocal matter in these parts, subjectively I'd say it's gotten a good deal worse of late; the pandemic certainly hasn't helped one bit, but that's hardly the only reason. Revel's merely the new kid on the block, and an easy public hit for gonvernment and media alike. Revel does need to get its act more together, but they didn't jump onto the scene totally oblivious to potential problems. (Anyone remember CitiBike's initial e-bike debacle?)

In the midst of all this, I'm just glad to have Melody back.
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:49 am quote
I've said this in other places but here goes. ANYBODY with a drivers license can buy and use a 50cc scooter on the road. Even the lowliest Chinese scooter can reach 40 mph when broken in. Had one, saw the speed.

Forty miles per hour is no joke in an Urban environment. None of these 50cc pilots are required to get training or pass a test either. This is strictly because of the bad press Revel received when the News Reporter perished.

The same thing happened in the 1960s in New York when a relative of Politician died in a motorcycle accident. Motorcycle testing and helmet laws were the result.
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:40 am quote
waspmike wrote:
Well what could possibly go wrong. It is like letting skateboards loose in the city. No concept of road rules, no consideration for other street users etc.

Like a small minority of cyclists they want to be road users one minute and pedestrians the next.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:18 am quote
amateriat wrote:
- In the course of a year, there have been over 200 traffic fatalities between cyclists, pedestrians and motorists in Gotham on account of (drum-roll, please) other motorists. This, somehow, is considered "the price of doing business." But two fatalities on Revel scoots? Gotta drop the hammer on them!

The Upshot: There's a ton of skanky motoring happening in Gotham, and while traffic enforcement has always been an equivocal matter in these parts, subjectively I'd say it's gotten a good deal worse of late; the pandemic certainly hasn't helped one bit, but that's hardly the only reason. Revel's merely the new kid on the block, and an easy public hit for gonvernment and media alike. Revel does need to get its act more together, but they didn't jump onto the scene totally oblivious to potential problems. (Anyone remember CitiBike's initial e-bike debacle?)
To be fair, if there were a common, controllable source of many of those 200 deaths, it would be controlled. There are tens of millions of cyclist/pedestrian/motorist interactions a day. The per capita incidence of mortality is fairly low. To have two rider fatalities (and a bunch of injuries) within a few weeks of a small number of Revel rentals, where it is clear that established safety procedures were being flagrantly ignored, is another matter entirely.

This might have been avoided if the NYPD had been very proactive in zapping violators with expensive tickets, maybe drag a careless celebrity or two into court (seems like something Alec Baldwin would get flagged for), and word quickly got around that the helmet and traffic laws were being rigorously enforced. Perhaps this might even have been a good revenue opportunity for the city. I donít have an opinion on whether this would have been a good use of NYPD enforcement resources in the middle of a pandemic, and in general, traffic does not seem to be a big priority at the moment.

In the absence of that effort, though, the situation was egregious, chaos ensued, and Revel didnít step up. They deserved the ban and shouldnít come back until they have a solution for chaos avoidance.
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