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Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:04 pm quote
On Saturday a DC Police SUV, on an emergency call driving the wrong way on the road at high speed, hit me at an intersection. According to the police report, I flew 30 feet before coming to a stop. I suffered a fractured foot, concussion, deep and painful abrasions/road rash.

The police report stated the accident as my fault for "failure to yield to an emergency vehicle". The Sargent said to me "but we wouldn't think of issuing you a ticket." I was taken a back and asked "a ticket for what?!!?" Apparently, the law here states, it is incumbent upon us to get of the way of an emergency vehicle. I find that language a bit vague...

At any rate, these are the photos of my BV 350. I think it is totaled, the frame seems bent. We'll see what the insurance company thinks in the coming days. It has 1,055 miles on it, but hey I am alive!

For now I am resting to heal my injures and grateful for these powerful prescription pain killers!

My riding days are over. I loved all my bikes but the BV was the best to ride and I'll miss it the most. Next task is to find a buyer for my GTS 300 Super with the full Malossi set up...

Ride safe and I hope to live vicariously through your stories and experiences...

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 pm quote
That's terrible.
I hope they made it to the donut shop before it closed.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:17 pm quote
The next accessory you need is a lawyer.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:23 pm quote
Sorry to hear about this! Glad you are mostly OK and hope you heal up fast. Can't blame you for not wanting to keep riding but do retain a lawyer. They are supposed to ensure the pathway is clear in a reasonable manner.

Again, hope you heal up quick.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:39 pm quote
Thanks everybody, I did consult a lawyer. They have the right of way in an emergency...
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:41 pm quote
Budz wrote:
Thanks everybody, I did consult a lawyer. They have the right of way in an emergency...
So they can gaily knock over pedestrians, cyclists or motorcyclists with impunity? I think not.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:47 pm quote
Really sorry to hear of this awful news. The SUV would surely have a camera to show details.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:55 pm quote
Re: Hit by a police SUV
Budz wrote:
My riding days are over.
What?? My last off, I fractured my ankle, broke six ribs and broke my collarbone. I learned from it. I'm more cautious AND I'M STILL RIDING. Get back on.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:06 pm quote
Re: Hit by a police SUV
pokeyjoe wrote:
Budz wrote:
My riding days are over.
What?? My last off, I fractured my ankle, broke six ribs and broke my collarbone. I learned from it. I'm more cautious AND I'M STILL RIDING. Get back on.
love your optimism but I don't think I can survive another fall, I am 54 years old, healthy, active and in decent shape. Hoping to enjoy the rest of my life without a life altering injury...
Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:00 pm quote
Re: Hit by a police SUV
Budz wrote:
pokeyjoe wrote:
Budz wrote:
My riding days are over.
What?? My last off, I fractured my ankle, broke six ribs and broke my collarbone. I learned from it. I'm more cautious AND I'M STILL RIDING. Get back on.
love your optimism but I don't think I can survive another fall, I am 54 years old, healthy, active and in decent shape. Hoping to enjoy the rest of my life without a life altering injury...
Good plan....

O.S.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:08 pm quote
I'm 67. My dad rode until he was 85. I've got a few years left.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:58 pm quote
Get a lawyer immediately!
Get a lawyer immediately to requisition the dash cam before they erase it. Even with lights/sirens on, they can not drive in a manner that endangers the public and are liable for damages/injuries caused. Do not hesitate. Contact a lawyer or you will compromise your case.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:34 pm quote
Re: Hit by a police SUV
Budz wrote:
pokeyjoe wrote:
Budz wrote:
My riding days are over.
What?? My last off, I fractured my ankle, broke six ribs and broke my collarbone. I learned from it. I'm more cautious AND I'M STILL RIDING. Get back on.
love your optimism but I don't think I can survive another fall, I am 54 years old, healthy, active and in decent shape. Hoping to enjoy the rest of my life without a life altering injury...
Time is a wonderful thing. Whatever you decide to do, it's the right decision.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:19 pm quote
Life has it's seasons. Maybe your season for riding is over for now. You are the only one that will know.

However who knows, you might have another season of riding in the future? Life has it's twists and turns, but it's all about the journey.

keep the shiny side up and the dark side down...
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:29 pm quote
Get a lawyer pronto! The fact that you DIDN'T get a ticket is suspicious. Your insurance may be of help in legal issues but you will have to inquire NOW. I have no idea how long the a police car dash cam retains its footage, and if the department pulled it when they found damage on the SUV when he turned it in, but I wouldn't let this just pass by. You don't have to hire a TV lawyer that will get you 8.5million for you claim but at least cover the cost of the scooter (be wary on claiming it against your policy because it could jack your rates), medical bills and whatever you feel is fair. Hope you heal up all good!
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:33 pm quote
I’m a firefighter who responds to a host of calls days in and days out. The laws in N.J. state that any emergency vehicles while responding to an emergency MUST obey the legal speed limits even with sirens/lights on. Only when it deems safe that the apparatus can cross red lights and intersections. There’s just no point of saving lifes if you kill your ways to it. In an event there’s a traffic accident, we can be equally liable and face lawsuits just like anyone else who share the road. No one is above the laws.

The cop doesn't want to give a ticket becasue he knows there will be records, may be served as evidences against his wrongdoing. They do this all the time.

Get another lawyer and start go through the preceding. This is blatantly a case of abusive of authority. I wouldn’t back down.

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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:54 pm quote
Damn it, Budz, my heart seemed to stop a bit reading this. First off, get well, heal well. Nothing else is as important.

Secondly, I wouldn't let the authorities off that easy with their explanation. Police departments, unfortunately, are rather notorious for trying to weasel out of incidents like this, and emergencies aren't an excuse for recklessness on their part.

As for riding again? I get where you're coming from, and certainly can't blame you after something like this. I'm a "never say never" sort of guy, but also know there's a time to get out of the saddle and put it behind, be it for good or just a good while. Whichever you choose, please do stick around. You'd be missed, by me among others.

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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:59 pm quote
Sorry to hear about your accident & injuries. Don’t make any quick decisions regarding your riding future. Find a lawyer now. I personally was a bit older than you are now when I was hit. Hospitalized 5 days multiple surgeries and in a wheel chair for 2 months. I was back in the saddle as soon as I could and am riding more than ever. I also have a GTS & BV. Again, don’t make a decision on your riding future right now.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:33 pm quote
Um ... here in Italy it is different, if you are hit by a vehicle in an emergency you will still be compensated for the damage suffered (they are insured) except if you were not committing a violation of the traffic laws.
However, even here it is better to entrust the case to a lawyer, they specialize in these things ... some only make proceedings for traffic accidents.
Do it right away until the track is hot.
sc00ter wrote:
Get a lawyer pronto! The fact that you DIDN'T get a ticket is suspicious. Your insurance may be of help in legal issues but you will have to inquire NOW. I have no idea how long the a police car dash cam retains its footage, and if the department pulled it when they found damage on the SUV when he turned it in, but I wouldn't let this just pass by. You don't have to hire a TV lawyer that will get you 8.5million for you claim but at least cover the cost of the scooter (be wary on claiming it against your policy because it could jack your rates), medical bills and whatever you feel is fair. Hope you heal up all good!
Great tip!
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:06 am quote
When is the last time you saw an emergency vehicle fly thru an intersection without slowing to cross safely. It's up to the driver of a motor vehicle to operate said vehicle in a safe and prudent manor. Is driving on the wrong side of the road at a high rate of speed, safe and prudent? I think you have a case.
Get well soon, will.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:06 am quote
Budz, very sorry to hear of all this. I do hope you heal quickly and can put this behind you.

Of course, there are things about your case we cannot know at this point. However, I suspect any good lawyer could turn this around for you. To be clear you must go to a specialist lawyer who deals with these cases. It's the law pretty much world wide that you have to 'give way' to emergency vehicles. But there are limits which must not be crossed by these services and if they have an accident whilst on an emergency call they are still culpable as anyone else would be. They do not have a blank cheque to drive as they like and must still use due care and diligence.

Of course, we are all fallible and you perhaps might have seen them coming (not accusing you of not looking properly). But, just maybe it wasn't possible for you to see them coming? If so, this needs to be examined and a case made.

Either way I'm shocked you are giving up riding. But I can understand your decision. You may feel differently though a bit later on. Most of the folks in your situation that's I've know over the years give it up temporarily and then find the pull of two wheels just too much to ignore and come back to riding again. Whichever way it rolls for you, I wish you lots of good luck and good health. Don't leave us though. I enjoy your posts!
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:42 am quote
I have consulted two different lawyers, in DC we have have to prove “extreme negligence”
To give you an example, Saturday afternoon as I was being hit another officer hit an elderly lady crossing the street while she had the lights on her side was and killed. Police unions negotiated these contracts where they have immunity from prosecution and cities don’t want to write big checks. As you can see by all the demonstrations across the US the past few months, people have had enough

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Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:19 am quote
I was hit by an ambulance 20 years ago-in my car.

The ambulance ran a stop sign and hit my car as I entered the intersection. Responding state police told me NOT to let them claim it was my fault-but that is in Massachusetts, and that involved an ambulance, NOT a police car.

I was compensated but I noted the claim pointed out fault was 50/50, they ran a stop sign and I had (not yet) stopped.

Good luck .
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:33 am quote
now I get to pay for the ambulance ride, ER costs, doctor costs, scooter loss, out of work days, pain etc. plus, through my tax dollars I pay for the officer’s salary and the police suv that hit me ...🤣... sometimes we just have to laugh at life otherwise we will go crazy...😜
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:34 am quote
So, I think the BV is totaled, what are your thoughts?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:40 am quote
Write to a newspaper complaining that you are literally and physically a victim of the system ... it always works, politicians do not want a fuss about these matters.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:51 am quote
There are ten thousand accident/personal injury lawyers just salivating to get your case on a contingency basis. Costs you nothing, they get about a third of the recovery. There are more lawyers per square mile in DC than anywhere in the world.
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:23 am quote
Oh man, this story really sucks. Most importantly, I'm glad to hear you came out (relatively) OK.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:22 am quote
Budz wrote:
now I get to pay for the ambulance ride, ER costs, doctor costs, scooter loss, out of work days, pain etc. plus, through my tax dollars I pay for the officer’s salary and the police suv that hit me ...🤣... sometimes we just have to laugh at life otherwise we will go crazy...😜
This just totally sucks. Don't let the way you feel today interfere with your exercising your rights. Meanwhile try to stay positive and take one day at a time. Time heals everything.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:56 am quote
Heal the wounds and get back on that horse...well the 300 anyway.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:11 am quote
Budz wrote:
Thanks everybody, I did consult a lawyer. They have the right of way in an emergency...
so Scooterists Lives Don't Matter

Hope you get it sorted one way or the other!

PS. Out of interest, were you moving at the time?

Your OP said 'hit me at an intersection' so I'm just trying to get my head round whether you were able to yield?

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Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:25 am quote
Glad you'll live to see another day! While I totally understand your optimism that you're alive and will recover (I'm of similar age), I don't know that I could just let this one go. Especially, if they were traveling in the wrong direction. Responding to emergencies becomes rather moot if one is creating more (perhaps more severe) emergencies along the way. It is our responsibility to yield to emergency vehicles, yes...but we should also expect emergency vehicles to do their part to ensure the safety of those around them...traveling at a high rate of speed in the wrong direction flies in the face of anything one would expect as being acceptable. Get well soon!

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Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:37 am quote
Back in my days as a cop, the first question asked after a collision during a code response was "Was your Siren On?" Emergency lights aren't enough and sometimes lights and siren aren't enough. We were always cautioned to slow down at an intersection and look all the way around. We have the pull over law in NH and it works pretty well but there is always that motorist who doesn't check his mirrors and has his sound system wound tight.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:44 am quote
So sorry to hear this, so glad you are alive to be recovering! Good you gotcha lawyer, make the decision not to ride later, not right now. Please keep posting as things develop. You are still here because He has a mission for you! (How would I know, I don't even know what my mission is! Just be ready...)

Take time to heal and keep moving so you don't get stiff...
Rider up, rubber down!
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:59 am quote
That's such garbage - hope you heal quickly and completely!

Not to change the subject, but how did you end up with motor-driven cycle plates on a 350?

Also not to be the safety police, but this is a good example to keep in mind re: riding attire. There are plenty of people who think armored pants et. al. are overkill for city riding, but nasty collisions can happen at low speeds too.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:20 am quote
Sorry to hear about all of this.
Did they have their lights AND siren going?
54 is much too young to give up something you love—you’re only half-way through.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:02 am quote
Budz, so sorry for your accident and hope you recover quickly but it will likely take a couple weeks.

I agree with others that you should find a lawyer but you should define your objectives, like get compensated for a new bike and all your gear, medical costs and missed work and perhaps some money for pain and suffering. Or you could go in thinking you just want to get as much money as possible - this would not not my first choice.

Regarding being finished with scootering, Take a few weeks and see how you feel. I got hit last year somewhat broadside by a woman on the freeway who was trying to get into my lane, which was flowing, from her lane which was stopped. She just clipped my rear end. I hurt for a couple weeks. I had the same feeling about riding thinking I was done. But now, I still ride but I'm extremely cautious and shy. I don't ride in heavy traffic and I only ride for pleasure. I also make sure I'm physically and mentally prepared before getting on the bike. If I'm distracted by something, I don't go.

And the armored gear that I wear regardless of how far I'm going (I was only two miles from home when I got hit), did its job and kept me safe. Details in the link above.

Best
Miguel
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:07 am quote
mayorofnow wrote:
That's such garbage - hope you heal quickly and completely!

Not to change the subject, but how did you end up with motor-driven cycle plates on a 350?

Also not to be the safety police, but this is a good example to keep in mind re: riding attire. There are plenty of people who think armored pants et. al. are overkill for city riding, but nasty collisions can happen at low speeds too.
let's just say I will not donate to their fund any time soon. I have only dealt with the police a hand full of times in my life, 100% of the time about minor traffic items such as parking or speeding tickets. Dealing with them is never pleasant so I tend to avoid them like the plague.

When the DMV issued these tags and I remind them that the BV was a 350 cc bike but they said these are the new rules. So, I assumed scooters get those and motorcycles get regular motorcycle tags but I could be wrong.

With respect to safety gear, you are 100% correct. If I didn't have my gear it would have been so much worse for sure. I got a concussion with a helmet on, so you can imagine how hard they hit me and how much worse my head would have faired...

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Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:16 am quote
Miguel wrote:
Budz, so sorry for your accident and hope you recover quickly but it will likely take a couple weeks.

I agree with others that you should find a lawyer but you should define your objectives, like get compensated for a new bike and all your gear, medical costs and missed work and perhaps some money for pain and suffering. Or you could go in thinking you just want to get as much money as possible - this would not not my first choice.

Regarding being finished with scootering, Take a few weeks and see how you feel. I got hit last year somewhat broadside by a woman on the freeway who was trying to get into my lane, which was flowing, from her lane which was stopped. She just clipped my rear end. I hurt for a couple weeks. I had the same feeling about riding thinking I was done. But now, I still ride but I'm extremely cautious and shy. I don't ride in heavy traffic and I only ride for pleasure. I also make sure I'm physically and mentally prepared before getting on the bike. If I'm distracted by something, I don't go.

And the armored gear that I wear regardless of how far I'm going (I was only two miles from home when I got hit), did its job and kept me safe. Details in the link above.

Best
Miguel
holy cow Miguel, that was a bad crash. I remember reading your post back then. Glad you recovered!
I just don't want to a bad injury like breaking my neck or back and ending up in a wheel chair. But maybe in time my perspective will change
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:32 am quote
You are a braver man than I Budz. I drove a big truck a few years and DC(and Boston) is one city I'd avoid.
You can move down here. You wouldn't believe the difference.
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