What do you all think of this smallframe Blue Badge?
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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:08 am quote
I saw this scooter sitting outside an antique store and pulled over to check it out. They want $1000. Obviously, the shifter mechanism is messed up. The mileage is 4610. It looks like a toasted marshmallow. Any input would be much appreciated.













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Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:40 am quote
It looks very complete. And still has the Mickey Mouse taillight.
The dents can be repaired. There doesn’t appear to be any rust thru and the surface rust will be dealt with at paint time. These are desirable one year only scooters. Still retain the early short wheelbase chassis but with a large side door and a 125 4 speed motor. Last year I paid $400 for a v90 chassis. The shifter is probably just broken cables.
I would offer $800 and see how that goes. But personally I wouldn’t walk away if they won’t move off of the $1000

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Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:43 am quote
I maybe bias but if you don't mind working on it, that's not a terrible deal if the motor turns over. If the frame is not bent, you can repair everything else. If you don't want to work on it yourself walk away. Maybe they would take less for it. The floor is missing the "X" reinforcement on one side similar to how my Rust Badge came to me. That top rust will come off with some CLR, apple cider vinegar, scrub pad, and a clay bar. Mine is in much worst shape but it runs.....finally after sitting in a shed for years. Still got a long way to go to make it what I want it to be.

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Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:42 pm quote
that's all day and twice on sunday at 1K

i'd probably offer 7ish and see if they come off the dime, though.

but like rowdyc said, if you're not willing to work on it yourself or put some time into it then i'd pass. something like that can get expensive QUICK

cool bike, neat condition, give it a fluff and fold and then ride the shit out of it.

-g
Molto Verboso
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:03 pm quote
I was thinking the same , offer $700 and try to kick it over , also pull the clutch and kick it over and see if clutch is working. I bet it would clean up nice. Fuel shit off break off?
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:42 pm quote
Assuming engine is good, etc. I would spend the money in sweat equity -- lots of time carefully straightening the bent bits, but trying to preserve the existing paint, maybe a judicious application of clear coat in some key places. Make it mechanically perfect, new rubber bits, nice tidy engine; fix all the bits that will leave you stranded on the side of the road, but leave it looking like you found it albeit cleaner.

Bonus points if you can somehow register it with the existing license plate.

There are lots of scooters in the world but to find one in this condition where you can preserve but not restore is ideal.

At least that's what I'd do. However you preserve it is still better than being sawn into some sort of restaurant display piece.

Hal
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Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:19 pm quote
I love it. Let me know if you want to sell the tail light.
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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:05 am quote
UPDATE: I called the owner this morning and he told me that he bought the scooter about a year and a half ago and had it running, so I met him at the store (I think he's the owner) to check it out a bit more thoroughly. I couldn't get the kickstarter to budge. Well, it would move a bit but then bind up. He isn't very mechanically inclined, so he called his friend who supposedly got it running a year and a half ago when he first bought it. The guy in the phone said that the kick starter always did that, and that he had put it in a high gear and push started it. We got under there with some vice grips and tried a few gears, but all it did was skid the rear wheel. I tried the clutch lever, which felt like it was attached to something, but it still wouldn't roll freely. The floor pedal also wouldn't really budge, but the front brake worked as normal.

The owner apologized and said that he would have the friend take a look at it and see if he could get it running again, or at least freed up and I said that I would go do some more research, so that's were we're at right now. Here's a pic I snapped of the engine. I'm not too familiar with these motors, but it looks like the spark plug is missing?





How terminal is a seized motor on one of these things and how serious are these issues? I do hope it works out still; it's a really cool scoot.
whereshaldo wrote:
Assuming engine is good, etc. I would spend the money in sweat equity -- lots of time carefully straightening the bent bits, but trying to preserve the existing paint, maybe a judicious application of clear coat in some key places. Make it mechanically perfect, new rubber bits, nice tidy engine; fix all the bits that will leave you stranded on the side of the road, but leave it looking like you found it albeit cleaner.
Totally, this would 100% be the plan for this one. I'm not afraid of doing the work myself, and I really like how original this one is.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:13 am quote
I think I would buy this in a second. I've been looking for one. But it's on the wrong coast.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:54 am quote
Nothing is "terminal" really, maybe offer $500
r_fostoria wrote:
How terminal is a seized motor on one of these things and how serious are these issues? I do hope it works out still; it's a really cool scoot.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:58 am quote
Any seized motor can go n so many directions you just never know. I had a seized motor that I soaked in a heated oil bath for a week plus out frustration and it wouldn’t budge. I’ve had seized motors that was the rings stuck and a shot of p b blaster and 20 minutes and it was free. Assume the worst, then anything is a bonus.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:12 am quote
I assume that's a rust repair on the muffler ?
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:59 am quote
Personally with it not able to run I would tell the owner, " I'm not really sure whats going on with the motor but I'm willing to take a gamble and take it off your hands for $500" .
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
Personally with it not able to run I would tell the owner, " I'm not really sure whats going on with the motor but I'm willing to take a gamble and take it off your hands for $500" .
This. Every bit of effort he or his buddy expend trying to “get it running again” is more money that you’re going to have to pay. Plus, who knows what the hell kind of MacGuyvering this friend will do (that you’ll one day have to unfuck) in an attempt to make this sale go through.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:50 pm quote
That huge nut and bolt going through the exhaust (muffler) is very odd. I'm trying to imagine what it could be for.

The thing is that if you wait too long to think it over, it will be gone. To me the price is right, but I'm living in a totally different price market. I'm living in a semi-third-world country where Vespas are twice the price of the New World.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:35 pm quote
Not running and hard kick over?

Show up with $500 cash and see what time it is.

No love, pull another $250 from your other pocket.

Now, I’m not trying to swing on nobody’s gate, but about there is tops. If it was cleaner, straighter, and motor kicked clean... yeah, smooth G all day. But all the nonsense. I’d grind it.

Show with 20’s because a fat stack looks better than 5 single bills.

Most importantly, be willing to walk away.

That thing is rad, but make no mistake. It needs a metric ass ton of work. You’re gonna dump an easy $500 into that to make it run and ride and more than likely closer to another G to make something decent and reliable.

And that’s doing heavy lifting yourself. Tons of elbow grease and late nights in the garage.

If this was down the street from me it’d already be in my garage. But I have all the parts to make it happen and I’m an agent of chaos.

-g
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:31 am quote
Masala wrote:
Lynnb wrote:
Personally with it not able to run I would tell the owner, " I'm not really sure whats going on with the motor but I'm willing to take a gamble and take it off your hands for $500" .
This. Every bit of effort he or his buddy expend trying to “get it running again” is more money that you’re going to have to pay. Plus, who knows what the hell kind of MacGuyvering this friend will do (that you’ll one day have to unfuck) in an attempt to make this sale go through.
This is a good point. I called the owner and we settled on $600 as-is. I'll be heading down there some time this week to pick it up!
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:29 pm quote
Oh yeah, that'll clean up real nice.



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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:51 pm quote
Hell yeah... Nice!
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:52 pm quote
Great to see you're making progress already! Now, remove the tank, turn it on its side and yank the motor out. Smallframe Motor Removal. If its hard to kick over, there's not many other options but to rebuild. Its easier to work on removed. Once removed, working on the frame is much easier to get underneath. This should give you an idea of what it takes to rebuild the motor Smallframe Motor Rebuild. We can walk you through any hang ups or what tools are needed.

There's also a couple pictures on the forum of how to take out that bend in the legshield with a clamp and wood.



Good luck!
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:53 pm quote
Glad you made the deal, now lets dig deep into it and see whats really going on with it, exciting days for you.
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Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:25 pm quote
r_fostoria wrote:
This is a good point. I called the owner and we settled on $600 as-is. I'll be heading down there some time this week to pick it up!
I'm probably in the minority when I say I much prefer the lines of the PX and T5 and Cosa to the earlier Vespas, but this one definitely speaks to me. You did well and I'm excited to see this all unfold.

Hal
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:57 am quote
Here it is after a superficial scrubbing. Admittedly, it does look better in pictures than real life, but I really just wanted to get the easy stuff off first thing. It feels much cleaner now. Thanks for posting those videos, rowdyc. I'll be watching those today and hopefully I'll be able to get moving this afternoon on the drive train removal. I really need to organize a space in the garage for Vespa surgery.

The fuel tank is already disconnected. It looks like the original fuel valve is gone and they ran a line directly from the tank to the carburetor with a fuel filter in between, so that's why the lever is missing. I also noticed that the front fork is pretty loose and clunks around when wheeling it across grass, so that definitely needs to come out (but it probably did anyway.)











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Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:16 am quote
Man, that thing just keeps getting better and better. Can’t wait to see where this thread goes!
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:08 am quote
Freaking AWESOME!!!!
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:13 am quote
Greetings:

An ambitious project. But it appears to be simplified by the tag declaration that you can order parts through your local Sears store. Enjoy the Garage Therapy.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:50 am quote
I have a spare functional fuel valve and lever I will donate to your project. PM your shipping details.

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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:54 am quote
yep yep yep
that's a great find for 6!

Already looking aces. Congrats.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:51 am quote
Wow! That’s a score and a half!

Looking tight already!

Please, please, please resist any urge to paint it.

Fix what needs fixing, maybe some modest upgrades on the motor.

Then preserve and ride.

-g
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:19 am quote
Nice nab. Always amazing to see how well they clean up. Have no doubt you’ll be on the road in no time. And yes, resist any urge to “touch up” or paint. It’s got a great vibe as is.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:12 pm quote
It’s amazing how this old paint polishes up with some serious rubbing.

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Before

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After

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Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:07 pm quote
Wheelman-111 wrote:
Greetings:

An ambitious project. But it appears to be simplified by the tag declaration that you can order parts through your local Sears store. Enjoy the Garage Therapy.
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Molto Verboso
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:35 am quote
Site cleaned up nice. Any luck on getting the motor to loosen up?
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:03 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
Wow! That’s a score and a half!

Looking tight already!

Please, please, please resist any urge to paint it.

Fix what needs fixing, maybe some modest upgrades on the motor.

Then preserve and ride.

-g
SoCalGuy wrote:
Nice nab. Always amazing to see how well they clean up. Have no doubt you’ll be on the road in no time. And yes, resist any urge to “touch up” or paint. It’s got a great vibe as is.
Not to worry, the most I'll do to this one is a polish and some wax. If it ever ends up bothering me and I want something shinier, I'd just look for a different scooter.
exmayor wrote:
I have a spare functional fuel valve and lever I will donate to your project. PM your shipping details.
Wow, that would be great! Thanks, I'll send you the info.
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:09 am quote
Wow great potential if mine engine is out complete strip and a 135
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:48 am quote
I’d try to loosen up that motor, if the seller was truthful it should run. Maybe the rings are just stuck to the cylinder wall.
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:34 pm quote
What happened to that nice patina?

It had character.
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