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Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:31 am quote
I talked to Joe yesterday, and he says that he can weld it up no problem. Hopefully, I'll be getting an estimate for that today.
Lynnb wrote:
Gick Speed may have a casing if you need one.
Christopher_55934 wrote:
I've also seen some nice welding of aluminum from Gick, might give him a call also. He has experience with these cases and scooters.
I did contact him and he has multiple cases available for replacement. I didn't ask about repair, though so I should probably check on that.
SoCalGuy wrote:
I have a set of smallie cases. pm me.
Message sent.

Big thanks for everyone's help here. It looks like I'm not in nearly as much of a bind as I was afraid I was. It looks like there are a few good options to choose from.
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:17 am quote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Lynnb wrote:
Gick Speed may have a casing if you need one.
I've also seen some nice welding of aluminum from Gick, might give him a call also. He has experience with these cases and scooters.
I found that once I put it in GickSpeeds hands, it was inevitable , porting was happening. One stop shopping.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:47 am quote
Check your messages, steve.

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:11 am quote
There you go , already cleaned.
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Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:33 pm quote
I got a bit distracted there for a couple of weeks there. My parent's basement flooded and I was helping them "un-finish" it. Anyway, I was talking about my case issues with a buddy at work, and the accounts manager said that her dad was a welding instructor and could probably take care of it. I stopped by today and got everything patched up. It may be be the prettiest, but hey if it works, it works! (I hope it works.) The price: free, woohoo!



I'll send him a case of beers.
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:07 am quote
How do I get the outer part of the two piece crank bearing out? It's the last thing left to remove. It looks like its held in by six little indented tabs.

bodgemaster
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:58 am quote
greasy explains here ...

race removal
Ossessionato
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:04 pm quote
Personally I make a weld run all around at center of the race and it drops by itself. When you weld them on the inside they tend to shrink...
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:20 pm quote
What about those six indents? I've been looking up videos and threads on the topic and every other case I can find is totally smooth all the way around.
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:30 pm quote
When you see indents like these, they are usually made cause the cases are worn and the race fits loose in them...
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:03 pm quote
if you have a welder or access to one...
SaFiS wrote:
Personally I make a weld run all around at center of the race and it drops by itself. When you weld them on the inside they tend to shrink...
^^^ Like SaFiS says or,
Weld a bar or bolt across the race. Heat the case. Tap out from other side.

bearing race removal?

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Molto Verboso
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:16 pm quote
If you put the case in the oven @400 degrees with the bearing race face down, you may find it falls out.
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:35 pm quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
If you put the case in the oven @400 degrees with the bearing race face down, you may find it falls out.
This was the winning strategy. It didn't fall out, but it did get everything loose enough that I was able to yank it out with an internal bearing puller.

I guess that's the first step complete then: take everything apart. Now I need to clean, clean, clean everything and start ordering replacements for whatever is worn/missing/broken. Then I just have to put it all back together... and do the body work... and take apart the front suspension... and replace the cables... and get everything tuned...

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Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:53 pm quote
r_fostoria wrote:
What about those six indents? I've been looking up videos and threads on the topic and every other case I can find is totally smooth all the way around.
yeah, those indents are evidence of some bullshittery.

i see that you've got it out clean, so just be sure to dress those down before knocking the new one in there.

-g
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Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:30 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
yeah, those indents are evidence of some bullshittery.

i see that you've got it out clean, so just be sure to dress those down before knocking the new one in there.

-g
Yeah, those weren't really doing much of anything. Not sure what was up with that. I've read that the later models have a regular one piece crank bearing instead of the two part. What are the pros and cons of updating to the newer design?
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Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:10 pm quote
Both my vma1ís had the indents around that bearing. Pretty sure they came that way from the factory. The one that broke a crank had spun that race though. I used bearing retainer compound when I replaced it the second time.
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:06 am quote
I took a closer look at my cylinder over the weekend. It has some gouges by the exhaust port that I can feel with my finger, and it's slightly elliptical as well. The piston clearance is already at 5 thousandths of an inch so in order to fix that, I'd have to have it honed out and then get an oversize piston to match. That on top of the fact that I'd have to clean in between all the cooling fins makes me think that a bolt on cylinder kit with a new piston and everything included might be the way to go here. Briefly looking into it, there are quite a few. What's the rundown on the various cylinder kits?



Also, this crank bearing feels pretty good, but I'm not to thrilled about this seal seat. That might be due for a replacement as well.

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Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:56 pm quote
Maybe a dumb question, but I can't find a definitive answer online. I'm doing research online and get into carburetors. My bike has a Dell'Orto SHB 16/16 but the VMA2T and most of the subsequent smallframes came with a 19/19. What do those two numbers actually refer to? I'm guessing the 16/16 is just smaller and delivers less fuel, but are those specific measurements? Should I be looking at replacing my original carb; will it be able to handle anything but a completely bone stock engine? I'm not planning anything big right now, but may down the road.
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:26 pm quote
r_fostoria wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but I can't find a definitive answer online. I'm doing research online and get into carburetors. My bike has a Dell'Orto SHB 16/16 but the VMA2T and most of the subsequent smallframes came with a 19/19. What do those two numbers actually refer to? I'm guessing the 16/16 is just smaller and delivers less fuel, but are those specific measurements? Should I be looking at replacing my original carb; will it be able to handle anything but a completely bone stock engine? I'm not planning anything big right now, but may down the road.
The 16/16 refers to the throat size and venturi size. 16mm throat carb running around a 16mm venturi. Some small frames (50cc) had a 16/10 which was a 16mm throat that narrowed down to 10mm at the venturi for the main jet.

A 19/19 will wake that engine up nicely.
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