GT200 or GTS300 Which one do I keep??
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2003 GT200L - 2011 GTS 300
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:04 am quote
I have a dilemma. I have a GT200 and a GTS300, I love them both but I have to sell one, but which one do I keep?

My GT is 2003 has 30,000 miles full service history, it starts instantly and runs perfectly but it needs constant attention to keep it that way, over the years I've spent loads of time, money and effort keeping it that way.
It is nearly as quick as my GTS and just as much fun, although the transmission is a little noisier, brakes aren't as good, it looks older and looks rougher, has a few little rust bubbles under the paint here and there (I'm in the UK) and the suspension could do with an update.

My GTS is 2011 has 7,000 miles and again is fully serviced. It is newer and obviously feels firmer and handles better, it pulls better than the GT with Mrs Corndawg on the back! It starts first time and runs great, except for a flat spot at around 60mph.

It should be a no brainer but I love the simplicity of the GT with its carb (that I understand!) and the fact I can do all of the work on it myself.

With the GTS the complexity of the electronics and fuel injection system scares me a little, especially with the flat spot and I feel if things ever go wrong it will probably be hard to diagnose and expensive!

I am swinging towards keeping the GTS but I really can't bring myself to sell the GT yet. It's driving me mad!!!

What do you think?
What would you do?

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Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:49 am quote
Hi Corndawg,

Without question, keep the GTS300ie. However you look at it the GT is getting very old, parts are getting harder to find quickly, and you bike is looking jaded now.

If you are new to fuel injected bikes you will obviously worry about that aspect if you like to do your own maintenance. But don't! The GTS is superior in every way and it's a very simple bike that's easy to diy. The FI system is trouble free and if you get any issues it's normally easy to sort out. You don't have to fiddle with them to keep them running ok. They just go. All my bikes over the last 25 years have been FI and not one has ever had an issue. I used to ride between 30-40,000 miles a year too. My GTS is 4 years old and inspite of quite a few miles on the clock has no issues at all. In fact, I'd say if you are unlucky enough to ever get an FI issue (not likely) it's easier to diagnose than a carbed bike. I've had my fill of carbs and would never go back.

The only thing you could do is make sure you have the latest fuel injector holding bracket. The original ones on your bike were prone to breaking especially if you load the bike with a lot of weight.

Time to move on!

PS. just wondering how close you are to me. Are you north, south, east or west?
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2003 GT200L - 2011 GTS 300
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:31 am quote
Time to move on.
Thanks Stromrider.
Yes I think you're right about all of the above.
This is the first scooter/bike I've had that doesn't have a carb. I felt the same way about moving away from 2 strokes years ago! Even my CBR 600 that I've owned for 20 years has 4 carbs lol.

I have previously read on here about the fuel injector bracket. I checked mine and it does have the metal bracket, but is there an updated one? I've attached a photo.

I live just outside Norwich, I noticed you're in EA too?

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Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:02 am quote
Yay! Yep...I'm just down the road from you in North Essex just off the A12. Probably about 60-70 miles between us, maybe! We should meet up sometime for a bacon butty and a tea, with social distancing of course.

The bracket has been updated on the 2014 onwards bikes. I'd have to check mine to see if it looks the same as yours. I'll come back to you soon to let you know.

In my town we have around 9 Vespa GT's and GTS bikes, both 250's and 300's. Some of these I have serviced or repaired. Some are very old indeed with huge mileages on them yet they are good as new because the owners look after them.

I met one very nice lady at my local dealers who bought a brand new GTS300ie Touring. This was way back in 2016 when I bought my Vespa from that same dealer. 3 years later I met her again and she had put 48,000 miles on the clock. Pretty good I thought, and all without any problems. You will know this but folks often only get issues if they don't service them on time or don't service them correctly.

Nice to talk with you.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:05 am quote
Through my checkered riding career, I've owned 8 Vespa and other Piaggio scooters. Some have been carbed and some fuel injected. The fuel injected scooters have consistently been more trouble free and reliable.
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Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:43 am quote
While I enjoy my GT200 scooters, I do have to be maintaining them constantly.

My friend. Russ, had both a GT200 and GTS300. He noted that the GTS300 needed much less attention.

So the easy answer is that the low mileage GTS300 will afford you a long time of service with few problems.

But if I were making the decision, I would keep both.

Bill
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Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:32 pm quote
What constant attention has the Gt required?
Just curious. Mines been really good... Bill D
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Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:10 am quote
bdonley wrote:
What constant attention has the Gt required?
Just curious. Mines been really good... Bill D
I am curious as well.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:41 am quote
Please donít take that comment as thinking that I want to dispose of my three GTs.

Mine are all relatively high mileage.

Rocket the highest at 95,000+.

It had some issues when young, An exhaust exchange under warranty was the first. For a while it would stumble and run hotter when run at over 70 mph for Only a mile or so. Then something caused damage to the camshaft and rocker arm at 40,000 miles The carburetor needed replacement at 50,000 and it started throwing variator nuts after 60,000. It had some vacuum and evap issues at around 70,000. The spark blew out and stripped the threads at 76,000 and the engine was replaced. It has run great but currently needs steering head bearing replacement for the second time.

Razzo was purchased five or six years ago with 6,000 miles on it. It ran great for a few years but developed carburetor and coil issues two years ago. It currently has an exhaust rattle but is my best GT at the moment, now at 32,000 miles.

Vanessa has been a bit of a problem child since I got her several years ago. She overheated several times when a hose detached, letting coolant runout. She did well in the 2016 Cannonball, but a spark plug fell apart in Nebraska. She did it again on day 1 in California in the 2018 Cannonball. I didnít secure the oil cap a couple of years ago and the engine was ruined when the oil blew out. I had a 1000 mile replacement engine installed recently, but that engine is making a strange ticking sound that seems to be coming from the new water pump. It currently has around 20,000 hard miles. I donít know exactly because she is on her third instrument panel.

Of the three, I am currently only comfortable on rides out of town on Razzo.

I probably ride further and faster than most. That certainly puts more stress on the scooters.

I may currently be a bit discouraged because, after a lot of work on them, I thought all three would be running perfectly now.

With the mileage I put on them, they need oil, belts and rear tires quite frequently.

I love them, but they often need attention.

Bill
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:50 am quote
Regarding which to keep I would say the GTS 300 simply for maintenance reasons. Ideally both but that's life. I just gave up a bike and will miss it but don't have the room or time to ride 4.

Touring on a Vespa I think is great and I've done my share of it though nowhere near as much as Bill. Maybe in my 20's on a 1979 P200e I picked up gently pre owned but not with the modern scoots. I gotta say I admire what some folks do here with their Vespas and they are surprisingly up to the challenge. I'm more of a right tool for the job kind of guy though and have other bikes for longer trips or if I need to carry a lot of gear and maybe go off road. I will say a modern Vespa can handle whatever you throw at it except maybe tougher off road scenarios and maybe a serious mountain climb.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:59 pm quote
Relatively high mileage.
Almost had some beverage spill from my nostrils on that one.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:55 am quote
Thanks everybody for your advice and Iím reluctantly going to sell the GT.

WLeuthold, Haha! That mileage makes my GT sound new!!
Keeping both would be the perfect solution but unfortunately isnít an option!

Bill, The constant attention refers to the fact that everytime I go for a trip out on the GT there's a new noise or a feeling that that wasnít there last time and when I get back home I have to investigate. After my last trip the steering felt a little more Ďnotchyí than usual and I had a new slight whirring noise from the transmission. Maybe itís because I now have the GTS to compare it to but every time I go out on it it seems there is something new I feel I have to deal with!

The other seemingly constant attention the GT requires is something that most of you warm state USA riders wouldnít have trouble with and thatís corrosion and rust, keeping on top of it IS a constant battle and I donít tend to ride in the rain much but the damp salty Norfolk coast climate keeps me busy maintaining the bodywork.
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Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:57 am quote
Stromrider Haha yes youíre not too far away!. Iím that way probably once or twice a year so, when Iím passing Iíll take you up on the offer of a brew and bacon butty! Likewise, if ever youíre up this way!
Did you get round to looking at that bracket?
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Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:38 am quote
keep the 300

-g
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Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:11 am quote
I had the steering head bearings replaced on Rocket and got it back last week.

Yesterday I took it on a 100 mile loop to St. Augustine, riding along the ocean on A1A coming home. Then a highway blast at indicated 75 to 85 for the last 20 miles.

The instability caused by a broken race is completely gone.

I now have two that I trust for long rides and the third is in the shop now.

Might have all three running well soon.

Bill

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Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:51 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
keep the 300

-g
After 12 years with a GT200L and a GT125L the three years before that, I just bought a 2009 300 Super last month and all I can say is:

Wow.

Why did I wait so long to make this change.

This thing is amazing. The 200 was no slouch, but riding this 300 in the city is pure joy.

The boys at Pontedera really put their heads together when they developed the first 300 Super. It's the dog's bollocks to say the least!
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:56 am quote
I would equip myself to take care of the 300, PC for ECU, workshop manual, bike lifts bench; it is no longer difficult but just different.
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Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:53 am quote
I think the GTS 300 is still the piece the resistance of Vespas. I would keep it.
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Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:25 am quote
Corndawg wrote:
Stromrider Haha yes youíre not too far away!. Iím that way probably once or twice a year so, when Iím passing Iíll take you up on the offer of a brew and bacon butty! Likewise, if ever youíre up this way!
Did you get round to looking at that bracket?
Thanks Dawg
Corndawg, yeah sorry for the delay.

Not sure from your photo if yours is the newer type. It looks similar to mine which is the latest type.

Here's mine. I'm showing more than one pic to allow you to see better. Looks as if mine is slightly different, but without seeing yours up close it's difficult to say. The newer type is stronger and sits just a tiny bit lower to avoid being hit by the pet carrier when the bike is loaded over bumps. That's the thing that breaks them.

Let me know what you think.

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GTS300ie abs/asr 2016 model injector & bracket

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Another angle...

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And again...

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And....

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