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150cc Vespa 1967
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:18 pm quote
I've owned a 50cc Honda Metropolitan for a while but have been a fan of the classic Vespa with the Trapezoid headlight for even longer. And today I managed to luck out. I went to a local scooter shop simply to see what they had in there and sitting in the back behind some boxes was a (Not exactly sure on the year but it looks like a 1967) Vespa, The body seems to be in pretty clean condition and most if not all of the engine is there. And so I asked the owner if it was for sale and he said he was willing to sell it for 500. And with this being my dream vehicle, I couldn't say no.

With that being said there are parts of the engine sitting in a cardboard box and I'm not sure if it would be worth it to repair the original motor or put something new in. I talked to a bike buddy of mine and he said that he thinks it would be a good idea to find another motor to put in it, something newer and well taken care of.

My question for the community here is, 1. Is it possible to put another motor in a 1960s-70s large frame Vespa.

And 2. If so, what would be a good option for a long lasting engine to put in it. For the sake of not spending money up the if a newer engine would be cheaper than an older one I would have no issue with mixing the old with the new.

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Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:04 pm quote
Hey Welcome! Cool score!

...and for 500 you did pretty good...

Hard to tell exactly what you have there. Are those 8 inch wheels? Trap headset and raised speedo on that body is curious. I don't remember if Supers had trap headsets? Maybe a Danmotors or rebadged LML, or ? Logos say mid 70's. But the lack of turn signals is curious and what makes me think it's from a secondary market...

Get your serial numbers for the frame and the motor and see what you have -
https://www.scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.serial.numbers.html

Unless the original engine is roached I would suggest you rebuild it. There are so many quality aftermarket parts that you could build a great, reliable engine and not be out crazy money. Yes... if you are not mechanically inclined putting a complete engine in is an option, but at that point you could just as easily send what you have to Jonathan Gick or David at Scooter Mercato to rebuild what you have.

Let us know what the serial numbers say. (and post more pics!)
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:44 pm quote
If you need a motor rebuilt talk to Lee @ www.Thatscootershop.com
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:55 pm quote
I can't seem to find any vin numbers on the frame its self, however when looking at the engine and throwing it into the scooterhelp.com website I was given the prompt "You have a unknown year restricted German Vespa PX200E Lusso motor - limited to 100 kph" Not sure what that tells me about the frame but I suppose the engine was a swapped one at one point?


(Also here are some more photos of it)

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Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:58 pm quote
You did really well, looks great.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:25 pm quote
Huh.

Kick start doesnít look like a px, and a px engine would mean 10 inch wheels... are they 10's or 8's?

Anyway, yeah... if thatís a px engine rebuild it for sure!!!
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:33 pm quote
Looks most like a Euro Sprint? Trap head and fork with separate spring and dampener?

http://scooterlounge.com/vespa/buyers-guide/vespa-sprint.shtml

Not sure about the cowls tho - they look more like Super 150 sized cowls?

I'd be wary of the floor covering - the line from leg-shield to floor doesn't quite look right. Have a good look down there - may be hiding some issues (I'd rip it all off).

And if you do have a PX200 motor in there then reckon you've won anyway. Probably worth more than you paid for it. Guess speed restricted will be something to do with the carb?

Interesting bike... Guessing some sort of Euro 'bodge' - hoping someone on here can add more.

Take some more detailed photos - of the engine and serial number with it. Did you check under the toolbox cowl (LHS) - that's where a Sprint serial should be found - stamped into the lip of the frame the pokes just beneath the toolbox cowl.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:35 pm quote
Can you post photos of the engine? From the looks of it, that's not an American market bike.

It may have a newer engine in it already.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:37 pm quote
No ones gonna say it? This feels a little trollish to me
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:39 pm quote
Also - the last photo from behind the scoot makes it look like the frame might be twisted... camera angle perhaps? But the fork tube doesn't seem parallel. That and the something not quite right with the transition from legshield to floor. That's where the frame can buckle in a crash. And if that's the case... then who knows as the fork won't be original either.

Oh... and the serial number could easily be hiding under paint.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:43 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Huh.

Kick start doesnít look like a px, and a px engine would mean 10 inch wheels... are they 10's or 8's?

Anyway, yeah... if thatís a px engine rebuild it for sure!!!
Can buy vintage-style kick levers for P's. I think this looks like one of those - they are longer then the actual vintage kicks.

And plenty of peeps put 8's back on P motors - either enjoy the crazy torque off the line or change the gearing.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:46 pm quote
hjo wrote:
Can you post photos of the engine? From the looks of it, that's not an American market bike.

It may have a newer engine in it already.
Almost certainly not American... why would it be. OP in Greece. Possibly a German motor. So far the info says most likely European... But nothing is 100% these days.
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:51 pm quote
Actually think the toolbox cowl looks like the right size for a Sprint, but motor cowl looks like a Super. To my eye they are different sizes...

There's a fair bit hinting that this bike got laid down hard at some stage...
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Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:55 pm quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
hjo wrote:
Can you post photos of the engine? From the looks of it, that's not an American market bike.

It may have a newer engine in it already.
Almost certainly not American... why would it be. OP in Greece. Possibly a German motor. So far the info says most likely European... But nothing is 100% these days.
Ha- my bad... didn't realise Athens is in Georgia! Hmmmm.... guessing this ups the chances it may be an Indo bike. Who knows... there is definitely some weird story behind this all.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:22 am quote
I think that's Athens, Georgia.

Definitely not an American market bike. the 1970s ones all had round headlights, oil injection.

That one looks like an Asian market one that was rebuilt, maybe 10 years ago? It might be thrown together from parts of many bikes.

On a lot of those, they used new LML engines. That one looks like it might be the original one.

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:33 am quote
Here's a photo of the engine, the frame vin number could easily be hiding under paint. Most spots where theres cracks isn't from rust or the metal its self, it's straight up paint. This thing looks like it's been repainted about 5-6 times. Green, White, Blue, Red, Yellow, then the Yellow with the White accents.

As far as wheel size the tires dont have any text on them but the wheels say 8X21 I believe? Hard to read and I'm kinda dumb so not sure.

The hexagon label looks like it was simply glued on with some glue popping out of the edges so I'd assume t he badge was added after the multiple paint jobs

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:05 am quote
Ah. That looks like a 150 super engine. Or possibly a 125. Probably original to the bike, or the era at least

Also looks very well used. It has hardware that is not original. If it's a bike from India or Vietnam, it could have 100,000 miles on it.

Does it run?

That's a 150 Super. The VIN would be VBCIT *xxxxx*

It looks like it's from the 1970s, the 1960s ones had a square badge. the later ones were a hexagon.

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:24 am quote
There was one on the engine, VD#M and then the number next to it, not home though so can't check it. There was no number where the second image suggests
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:30 am quote
For motors, you can definitely swap it out with any engine from a large frame vespa.

There are lots of used ones floating around. Any scooter shop in the US has shelves full of them.

You might still be able to find new 150 engines from the LML factory in India. The factory closed in 2017, but sold them as spares, and made a lot of them.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:12 am quote
Anyone think that maybe someone stationed over in Europe shipped home their baby when their tour was done? My Triumph, which I owned in the 1970ís, was 1 of those. I donít know old scoots but I would think, with that engine information, to be considered that baby might have come here via someone living or stationed in Germany or close.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:49 am quote
I'm also pretty pessimistic about these bikes (and I say "these," because this looks like it's less a single bike than a collection of parts that were formed into a vespa-shaped pile in Southeast or Southwest Asia).

Also, if a shop let you have it for $500, they probably know something, too, because even a beat up non-running project bike usually goes for a thousand bucks unless you get lucky, and it's my experience that you never get lucky dealing with a professional like a shop owner, or they won't be a shop owner for very long.

What's the title say it is? If the bike doesn't have a title coming from a shop, I'd be more than a little worried about that, too.

Did the shop say how they came to have the bike, or know anything about its provenance?

Like Maggiegirl, my initial thought was also Cold Warrior Gray Market Import, but it doesn't hold up on closer examination.

Things I note right off:
- Two different underlying paint colors beneath the yellow, red and blue, which makes me wonder if it's two different frames welded together
- Self-extracting flywheel. This isn't a huge red flag, but it pretty well rules out any sort of replaced/recent motor, and while there's nothing wrong with the older motor, their engineering & design makes them harder to work on than a P-series motor, especially for a first-timer.
- Kickstart looks to be full splined (hard to tell in the photos), which again says older motor.
- Probably Bent frame

all-in-all, I think that you need to have someone knowledgeable about vintage Vespa's go over this thing pretty thoroughly, because it has enough red flags that you should be hesitant to start throwing money at it, much less take it out on the road, until you've gotten an expert opinion.

Better pictures that will further help:
- Speedometer
- handlebar switches
- both the wheels from both right & left
- under the seat (the fuel tank)
- The glove box door & inside the glove box

Ideally, if you can pull the fuel tank (it's five M7 bolts) and take a look inside, that will most likely confirm or deny if it's made up of mulitple frames. There should be no visible welds in there.

Similarly, with the tank out, you can stick your phone down in there and get a picture of the inside of the tunnel, the raised center of the floorboards. Again, looking for any evidence of significant rust or welding.

I'm pulling for ya, but also trying to be a realist about what jumped out at me and how to check it.

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Can you share a close-up of this label?

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These should be parallel, so put me on Team Got Crashed :(

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Lots going on here...

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:18 am quote
This bike is SEA boys, no doubt. Shop may have known what they have and pushed it along; pure speculation on my end.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:41 am quote
+1 i said its maybe an Indo bike, those flywheel is similar to a bajaj conversion here, and the hadlebar its look most common on importerd bike (depent of the importer, as some prever trap head instead of round head) and the rear bemper is what i found many here along with the steel kickstart (heck even i use that steel kickstart, cause its stronger and cheaper )
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:32 am quote
@chandlerman
Just got home and immediately inspected the bike again, I didn't realize the front and rear didn't line up properly till now. Good to know. While I couldn't find any obvious welded points in the body I did notice a large dent in the bottom of the foot board. Still haven't taken the floor mats off because I'm afraid they'll crack and shatter instantly lol

Judging by how clean the speedo is I'd imagine it's after market, plus it being 0 on the odometer.

It does have some rusty spots, I'm not sure if it's simply surface rust or not but when attempting to flex the rusted spots it's stiff as a board so I'd assume I'm safe? I hope?

As far as titles go, that's where it feels like this bike's sketchiness factor takes the cake. "With a scooter this old it doesn't need a title" (Which I'd imagine isn't accurate)

Along with that the gas cap has very clearly been broken into, its all bent up along with the edges of the gas tank bent upwards. I'm hoping the keys were simply lost and so they were just attempting to put gas in it after purchasing.

And the motor mount appears to be round from what I can see

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 am quote
Sadly, the shop scammed you

I think they knew what they had, probably took it lowball as a trade-in to move something new(er), and then left it there hoping that someone like yourself came along.

All vehicles with a VIN have a title. I have a title for my '62 VBB, and the looming headache of dealing with obtaining a title for my project GL before I start on it.

I'd suggest that you go back and demand they refund your money if they can't produce a title. As a vehicle dealer, I'm pretty sure there are some legalities that they might not want examined too closely, and definitely not over $500, and it sounds like they have tried to tell people these stories before.

Additional items:
- In the speedo picture, you can see that it has a PX floormat and the rear brake pedal is...not right.
- The handlebars should not rotate that far over, so the stops are either bent or the fork doesn't match the bike
- At least some of it was resprayed blue before the yellow, but that still doesn't explain the red to me.
- I'm pretty sure there should not be a horizontal seam by the random and badly-welded choke tube (someone confirm or correct me on this, please)
- the underside of the floorboard looks like someone just shot yellow over a bunch of rot and rust. I'd be afraid to trust that without some serious investigation.

I still think there's more than one bike hiding under the yellow, red, and blue.

Assuming you convince them to take it back, leave a note under the gas tank before you reinstall it to warn the next person what they are getting themselves into.

Good luck!
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:34 am quote
I just got off the phone with Lee from Thatscootershop.com and he had me look at some stuff on the bike and said he believes it to be a Vietnamese Vespa which he regularly will turn down for the sake of them being a liability due to the frames not being built right, he had me test to see if the frame was bent and surely enough it is bent ever so slightly, I'm not sure how dangerous it is to run on a bent frame however if it is safe to ride I still have hope that I can keep it and use it for my own use still. He confirmed that the headlight/handles do not belong to the body its self, it was in fact replaced. He said this thing would be a money pit and I would most likely be throwing upwards of 1000$ into it for it to run.

1000$ doesn't sound too bad to me, I knew from the start this wouldn't be a simple weekend project. I'm simply hoping that I can keep it and work with it as originally planned, however if the frame is not good to use I will regrettably have to get rid of it, either demanding a refund or parting it out.

That was a dream short lived.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:53 am quote
This is what the frame looks like. I'd love to work on it and throw money into it if I can but if the frame is no good then I'm considering it a loss.

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:06 am quote
For $1,500, you can find a a decent, albeit maybe banged-up looking, vintage bike without any of the issues that come with a bodge. With a scooter like this, they are generally projects for people with a lot of time and expertise in working on them who are doing it almost as a matter of vengeance, plus know how things are *supposed* to look and work and can put them right.

I'd say start watching craigslist, scoot.net, and the for sale/wanted forum on here and something will come up.

In the meantime, there's tons of good information in here which will help you both understanding how these machines work (or don't work, as the case may be) along with entirely too many stories similar to your own experience thus far.

Even if you see something in another city or state, there is probably someone nearby who is able & willing to roll over and check it out, even help with the transaction and shipping, just ask.

Also, spend some time learning more about these beasts so you can be confident in your decision with whatever you buy and the pluses and minuses of various scoots, everything from wide- versus large- versus small- frame; how hard different motors are to source parts for and work on; the difference between 8" and 10" wheels; battery vs. batteryless electrical systems, and from that, what your *own* vintage goals and ideals are.

This is a pretty fun and welcoming crowd, so join in, learn, and eventually, a much better First Scooter 2.0 Experience will come your way.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:19 am quote
Joefromthefuture wrote:
This is what the frame looks like. I'd love to work on it and throw money into it if I can but if the frame is no good then I'm considering it a loss.
oof. That's Bad.

It's possible to bend a frame back, but I still think you'd be much better off trying to get your money back and finding something better to start from, unless you have a LOT of experience working on vintage vehicles and welding, because I'm pretty sure you're going to realize you need to do some welding on that sucker before all is said and done, starting with the fork and fork stops.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:21 am quote
I'd recommend to not put any money into the scooter and just keep it parked next to the guitar.



...and somewhere a T5 is missing its floor mats.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:31 pm quote
boo.... checked back in for an update and was bummed to see the close ups and see the details. gack. :-/
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:31 pm quote
Joefromthefuture wrote:
He had me test to see if the frame was bent and surely enough it is bent ever so slightly,
Hey Joe - That line is way more than ever so slightly. No worries though. Like WhoDat recommended, if you cannot get your money back. And keep on the lookout for a nice older one - they do show up now and again, and there is always money to be put into these machines. Fortunately it's not Austin Martin level of money.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:41 pm quote
More likely Indo bike but it doesnít really matter. If you can get your $ back then do it - hopefully the lie about the title is enough? Or threaten them with a lawsuit if you get hurt riding something they misrepresented? There just wonít be anything worth anything if you try part it out. Sorry man. Sadly not the first and wonít be the last. Iíve been there. Welcome to the club.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:56 pm quote
How dangerous would it be to run on this frame? I imagine with Vietnamese "repaired" vespas they can be very hit or miss with how damaged they are so there's no telling in the current condition without completely stripping the paint and bondo off of the whole thing.

I want to hold faith in this as a project that I'm willing to put time and money into, however hunting down a whole body gets it to the point where I might as well refund it. I'd seriously like to try and hold onto it and work with it. How likely is it that this thing has in fact run in the state the body is in, and the likely hood of it still holding up if I were to drive it using a replaced motor?


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Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:28 pm quote
Do not, I repeat do NOT put a DIME into that.

Go and get your money back.

Donít try and part it out, itís a waste of time and energy. Thereís maybe $100 worth of parts on there, if that.

That frame is waxed. It belongs as an art installment or a planter in the yard.

Again. Go get your money back.

If you canít, well then you just bought some yard art and a tick mark in the lessons earned category.

Trying to rebuild this is just going to lead to misery, hardship and heartbreak. And a whollllleeeeee pile of cash.

Thereís better stuff out there to start with project wise than this lump of crap.

-g
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:48 pm quote
Man I thought it looked so good, I still got a lot to learn.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:11 pm quote
@Lynnb
Me too lol Depending on if the frame is usable or not I might continue to go for it, I got the money and I'm willing to throw all of it into the project. I'm going to need to strip off all the paint to evaluate the damage of it. I got alot of connections for hardware based things such as the engine, welding, tires, electrical units and stuff. I'm not expecting this to be any kinda weekend project, or a cheap one at that. I feel like this could be a good start atleast though. Especially for 500$

But if the frame turns out to be poorly put together that might be a different story.

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:12 pm quote
Every picture you post makes this thing look worse. Like Greasy said, get your money back and let's find you a proper scooter. That thing is just just straight up unsafe and you can't wrench your way out of it.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:43 pm quote
Youíre just adamant about this.

Iíve said my piece and given my .02 worth.

Feel free to wade into the fray. Hope you got tools, a high level of mechanical and fabrication skills, a whole bunch of time and an even bigger bunch of money.

First three things, youíre going to need to break it down. Then get it sandblasted so you know what youíre working with. Then build a frame jig (if itís still worth it at that point).

So, there ya go. A full .05 of advice.

Donít say I didnít warn ya.

And start a new thread on the build process. Iíll follow along...

-g
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:58 pm quote
Do Not Spend a dime on this rig.....But if you must, strip it apart and take the frame to a paint striping shop, have it dipped or sandblasted... then you will have a real story to tell. What you see in bare metal will no doubt scare you out of spending another dime.
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