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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:19 pm quote
Ok I know everyone's gunna go batshit crazy with replies but hear me out, I hava a athena/stage6 racing 70cc mk1 and its supossed to be a high end racing cyl soo what oil would give me the best protection and heat resistance and stuff like that for me? And dont recommend that crap oil like amsoil Saber for strimmers becuase that stuff complete wank and just becuase it may work with your stock 50cc from China doesn't meen itll work with a high end racing cyl from Italy
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:22 pm quote
Johnson's Baby Oil. Makes your 2-stroker smell good.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:25 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
Johnson's Baby Oil. Makes your 2-stroker smell good.
Lol
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:26 pm quote
It's going to take me a while to decipher that OP.
Give me a week or so.
Actually, no. I'm going to go with my normal response I use at work.
Best, you ask? No such thing. Products advance over time, and lately they do so quickly. Yesterday's best isn't today's, and you can go ahead and interpolate (or would it be extrapolate?) that to the moment.

OK anyway, I have no idea. I'd use the same thing I put in a chainsaw.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:26 pm quote
Royal Purple has done my kitted ET2 right.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:00 pm quote
Amsoil makes oil for what you are wanting. I been using it my chainsaws and weedeaters for many years.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:02 pm quote
schultz wrote:
Amsoil makes oil for what you are wanting. I been using it my chainsaws and weedeaters for many years.
Like the dominator or interceptor?
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:06 pm quote
Oil thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Motul 710 brutha.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:10 pm quote
Re: Oil thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trotter wrote:
Motul 710 brutha.
Ive heard really good things about it but what's the difference between the 510 710 and 800? Also what color is it? Just a random question.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:14 pm quote
Re: Oil thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2smokersFTW wrote:
Trotter wrote:
Motul 710 brutha.
Ive heard really good things about it but what's the difference between the 510 710 and 800? Also what color is it? Just a random question.
Its green like my dick after a bad night.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:20 pm quote
Seriously Motul 710 is the juice. Very low deposits but it still smells like 2 strokes.

It is yellow green, like my penis after a bad night.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:21 pm quote
Trotter wrote:
Seriously Motul 710 is the juice. Very low deposits but it still smells like 2 strokes.

It is yellow green, like my penis after a bad night.
Holy f*** didn't need that info lol I'll look into getting some of that for my 2 smoker to sip on
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:28 pm quote
2smokersFTW wrote:
Trotter wrote:
Seriously Motul 710 is the juice. Very low deposits but it still smells like 2 strokes.

It is yellow green, like my penis after a bad night.
Holy f*** didn't need that info lol I'll look into getting some of that for my 2 smoker to sip on
I may be full of shit but go on Amazon and get Motul710. You asked.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:39 pm quote
Trotter wrote:
2smokersFTW wrote:
Trotter wrote:
Seriously Motul 710 is the juice. Very low deposits but it still smells like 2 strokes.

It is yellow green, like my penis after a bad night.
Holy f*** didn't need that info lol I'll look into getting some of that for my 2 smoker to sip on
I may be full of shit but go on Amazon and get Motul710. You asked.
Lol thanks
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:44 pm quote
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:47 pm quote
ipone
https://www.amazon.com/IPONE-SCOOT-CITY-OIL-LITER/dp/B003ZFVY5M

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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:49 pm quote
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:37 pm quote
Re: Best 2 stroke oil
2smokersFTW wrote:
a high end racing cyl from Italy
What is different about your "high end racing cylinder" than a 50 cc Chinese one?

Ring gap is less? piston clearance is different? piston speed higher? compression is higher? Runs hotter? I doubt any of the above but...

The obvious choice would be Stage6 oil as they made the cylinder.



Or use strawberry scented oil from , say, Ipone if you want to be special.



The real answer for everyday use is some good quality synthetic 2T oil that is easy to obtain. For my modified NSR250 I use Shell Advance VSX semi-synthetic because it is available at almost all Shell stations where I live. It may not be absolutely perfect,ie. fully synthetic, but it is available so I won't run out 500 kms from home. I doubt you will be 500 kms from home on a 70 cc scoot but...

I doubt in Texas there are many snowmobile stores but anything they use would also be good.

If you want the absolute dogs bollocks then use Castrol A747. Not cheap but you did ask.

Not relevant to your location but relevant to ease of supply. In UK a lot of Lambretta guys with or without modified air-cooled scoots use Rock Oil's Groundsman semi-synthetic 2T oil from garden centres also because it works and it available and inexpensive. They buy it by the gallon.

Go to Wallmart and see what fully synthetic 2T oil they have?
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:02 pm quote
Re: Best 2 stroke oil
waspmike wrote:
2smokersFTW wrote:
a high end racing cyl from Italy
What is different about your "high end racing cylinder" than a 50 cc Chinese one?

Ring gap is less? piston clearance is different? piston speed higher? compression is higher? Runs hotter? I doubt any of the above but...

The obvious choice would be Stage6 oil as they made the cylinder.



Or use strawberry scented oil from , say, Ipone if you want to be special.



The real answer for everyday use is some good quality synthetic 2T oil that is easy to obtain. For my modified NSR250 I use Shell Advance VSX semi-synthetic because it is available at almost all Shell stations where I live. It may not be absolutely perfect,ie. fully synthetic, but it is available so I won't run out 500 kms from home. I doubt you will be 500 kms from home on a 70 cc scoot but...

I doubt in Texas there are many snowmobile stores but anything they use would also be good.

If you want the absolute dogs bollocks then use Castrol A747. Not cheap but you did ask.

Not relevant to your location but relevant to ease of supply. In UK a lot of Lambretta guys with or without modified air-cooled scoots use Rock Oil's Groundsman semi-synthetic 2T oil from garden centres also because it works and it available and inexpensive. They buy it by the gallon.

Go to Wallmart and see what fully synthetic 2T oil they have?
Yeah there aint shit Im texas lol
Yes it has 14:1 comp ration piston speed is definitely higet and does run hotter it's simple facts. Also Im not doing every day riding I'm riding in a road course track soo. I'll look into the s6 stuff, I've ran that Walmart grade oil and it sucks ass and put big score marks in my 50cc cylinder soo I don't trust none of that crap.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:05 pm quote
2smokersFTW wrote:
schultz wrote:
Amsoil makes oil for what you are wanting. I been using it my chainsaws and weedeaters for many years.
Like the dominator or interceptor?
Ya read all about it on Amsoil site.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:11 pm quote
schultz wrote:
2smokersFTW wrote:
schultz wrote:
Amsoil makes oil for what you are wanting. I been using it my chainsaws and weedeaters for many years.
Like the dominator or interceptor?
Ya read all about it on Amsoil site.
I'll do that
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:11 pm quote
Re: Best 2 stroke oil


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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:15 pm quote
Re: Best 2 stroke oil
waspmike wrote:
2smokersFTW wrote:
Also Im not doing every day riding I'm riding in a road course track soo.
Castrol A747

but you can't mix it with other oils in the same tank. If not using pre-mix. If using premix drain the tank first. There are probably guidelines somewhere.

14:1 are you experimenting with Mazda SkyActive auto-ignition technology

For track use a J Costa variator as well i hope?
Lolololololol ive also heard good stuff about that a747. Sooo many choices!
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:23 pm quote
For some reason it doesn't like my edit above so:

Get it from a kart shop. Where of course you can also find other oils. But 747 is the dogs bollocks.

14:1 are you experimenting with Mazda SkyActive auto-ignition technology

For track use a J Costa variator as well I hope? JC211 now IT211

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Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:23 am quote
waspmike wrote:
For some reason it doesn't like my edit above so:

Get it from a kart shop. Where of course you can also find other oils. But 747 is the dogs bollocks.

14:1 are you experimenting with Mazda SkyActive auto-ignition technology

For track use a J Costa variator as well I hope? JC211 now IT211
I'll get me that variator. There's like a atv go kart shop like 10 miles away which is surprising becuase here in texas all we got is what-a-burger, a bunch fat people, pick up trucks, and guns lol thanks.
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:38 pm quote
The model is now IT211XRP

I sent you a PM.

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Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:44 am quote
I always used Putoline MX5 on my tuned engines, never had a problem or a seize, always set carb up on dyno though.
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:57 am quote
I use Agip motor oil from Italy. It is the manufacturer recommended oil for Vespa & Ducati. They actually changed their name to the parent company (ENI) a few years ago, but you can get the motor oil in the U.S

Phone number is: 646-264-2100

https://www.eni.com/en_NA/products-services/automotive-lubricants/engine-oils/bikes/bikes.shtml


https://www.eni.com/en_NA/attachments/pdf/i-Ride-brochure.pdf

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Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:00 am quote
Wait, I thought the stuff I used was the best ... so confused...
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:27 am quote
That Royal purple stuff? Don't worry you're fine, it IS the best for you!

OP is wanting to build a bleeding edge hi RPM race motor, so he needs to do his homework. What oil do those w/ highly tuned revvy motors use and have fewest problems with? That's what you can look for. waspmike's talking this stuff, I cant.

Me, with mostly stock or mildly tuned motors, I just get a good brand name synthetic like Putoline or Motul along w/ several others and have had zero oil problems and no coking up issues like in the old days w/ dino oil. I DO like oil that colors the gas so it's easy to know premixed from plain gasoline. Like Royal purple!

Thread title is a bit misleading, different strokes for different folks and most of us aren't usually racing highly tuned motors.
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:17 pm quote
bustergonads wrote:
I always used Putoline MX5 on my tuned engines, never had a problem or a seize, always set carb up on dyno though.
“Puto” is Spanish for a male working the world’s oldest profession. Puto-line! Lmao!
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:30 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
and most of us aren't usually racing highly tuned motors.
Which engine is more highly tuned?

Motorbike?
Normal road car ?
Big rig motor?

Which sector spends more on oil technology and testing?
Which sector spends more money on fancy names, exotic origins, claims, colours, smells etc.?
SoCalGuy wrote:
Wait, I thought the stuff I used was the best ......
You are absolutely correct.
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:14 pm quote
Ohh dear!

Try a search

I have no idea who athena from china is, but guess it’s something to do with crockery?
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:07 pm quote
Again n again n again n again n again n aga
Anything over 8 quid ... standard use mineral. ... light tune semi ... mad tune fully ..... don't buy that petrol station home brand stuff
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Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:54 pm quote
Serious question: What's the difference between cheap 2 stroke oil and expensive 2 stroke oil... other than the price?

Quote:
...put big score marks in my 50cc cylinder...
Pretty sure it didn't Your *rings* put those scuff marks there. If somebody were to ask me why that happened, my first thought would not be "cheap 2 stroke oil".

Best,
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:58 pm quote
510 is a blend of petro and synthetic oils.
710 and 800 are both fully synthetic, but 800 has a higher temp rating, i.e. for racing applications.
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:40 pm quote
For your application, I really like Maxima Castor 927. I run a Polini Corsa on a honda af16 that regularly sees 12k on the tach, it works really well. The downsides: it smells like burnt castor oil and is colorless, so label your cans clearly. You don't want to smoke out the neighborhood when you mow your lawn, I can tell you from experience.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:38 pm quote
SubEtherBASS wrote:
Ohh dear!

Try a search

I have no idea who athena from china is, but guess it’s something to do with crockery?
Nice meme
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:40 pm quote
GoSlash27 wrote:
Serious question: What's the difference between cheap 2 stroke oil and expensive 2 stroke oil... other than the price?

Quote:
...put big score marks in my 50cc cylinder...
Pretty sure it didn't Your *rings* put those scuff marks there. If somebody were to ask me why that happened, my first thought would not be "cheap 2 stroke oil".

Best,
-Slashy
What I meant was the shitty oil was too thin and at high rpm it thinned out even more and the rings messed it up. Also the difference is the crappy oil is petroleum passed vs the others are castor and synthetic and some are synthetic/castor mix
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