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Ossessionato
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:07 pm quote
Chatis wrote:
Thanks again guys, but as I said I am in no rush to get this done. I also want to learn, so doing this bodywork is part of my objective. Cutting, welding, grinding, treating, painting....

I have three other scooters that I ride (not all that frequently unfortunately).



Onward...
So was that VBB a SEA restoration at some point in time?
Hooked
1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:44 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
So was that VBB a SEA restoration at some point in time?
Yes it is. But unlike others who have had horror stories, in the 14 years I have owned it I have had little issues. I did replace the motor with a LML motor with electronic ignition about three years ago. It is a solid scoot. Much faster than the Stella, and absolutely the Super. I guess I just got lucky.
Hooked
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:58 pm quote
I’m back…

Had some hard personal issues to deal with. Have become a strong advocate for Death With Dignity. And, want to make people more aware of Myeloma, and that more research is needed to find a cure!

Enough of that (maybe not).

Started on bodywork. Rightly the entire floor should be replaced but as long as it remains structurally sound and safe I am going to skip that.

So some pictures..

Buggered key hole:




Cut out the damage


Replacement plate


Welded in – Finish grinding to follow

I am a better grinder than welder….

Floor board


Cut out bad section (all sections bad)


Top and sides not too bad


Replacement sheet

Made a frame so I was not just butt welding.




Tacked in


First grind. Have some pinholes to fill and then final grind.

There is another area of the floor that I will need to fix. That will be for tomorrow.

Ordered all of the treatment - Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, Internal Frame Coating, 2K Epoxy Primer, and, I had the paint matched so have a spray can of single stage for final coat.

Still lots to be done on the body. And lots on the rest of the scooter.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:04 pm quote
I love the magnets used to hold the metal in place.
Hooked
1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:05 pm quote
Another busy day. Second floor patch today but also straitening the body. As I have said before this should have the entire floor done, and this second repair should have been incorporated into the first. But onward.


Pushing out the dent on the leg shield. I tried everything to get enough pressure. I had to make the device but it worked great. I can share what it is if there is interest.


Cutting out the rotten steel – it’s all wrotten.


Fabbing the patch


Spraying the channels with Eastman Internal Frame Coating





Patch finished. Smoothing grind to follow…


All metal work and bending done...

Next is treating the steel and painting the really rough areas. Oh, yeah, they are all rough areas.

Forging ahead
bodgemaster
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:43 am quote
I like the pace of this. Get it done.
What’s the plan for the pitted areas? Got some suggestions if you want them.
Hooked
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:54 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
What’s the plan for the pitted areas?
Going to coat the floor with Eastwood Rust Encapsulator and then polyester body filler (high flex stuff). Then epoxy primer and final paint. This is just the floor. leaving the rest.
SoCalGuy wrote:
Got some suggestions if you want them.
I WANT them PLEASE. Open to any suggestions and recommendations.
Style Maven
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:55 am quote
Nice work on the patches, they're all looking good. SCG probably has a proper epoxy for your rough areas if you go first class. I've used this Dynatron stuff in similar situations and had good luck, and I use it anywhere I'd use just plain polyester as well. It's a lot harder and tougher, but flexible plus doesn't seem to separate from a well prepped frame like ordinary polyester bondo does.




love the way it feathers out so nice


before


after
Hooked
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:57 pm quote
Quieter day. Mostly cleaning up and prepping for paint.

A lifetime of collecting washers has its benefits...





Painting the inside of the tunnel with internal Frame Coating



Before AND



Next is the Rust Encapsulator weather permitting…
Hooked
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:51 pm quote
So, some painting today. Eastwood Rust Encapsulator is CRAP. Stay away…

Made a Dexter room paint booth




Here is the floorboard progression:







It looks much better than it is, but it is protected and coated. Next will be sanding, sanding, blending and polishing. Hope I can get the color to match. Doesn't look close but does to the sample from the fender. Having fun!
Hooked
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:00 pm quote
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:

Something happened here:



The stud is frozen and the remnants of the bolt is frozen. I had to cut the head off the case bolt. Tried everything – heat, pressure, anti-seize, hammering, etc. Was able to split the case.



The fly side of the case is missing a chunk of aluminum at this site.



And, there is some sort of hole repair.



This part of the case is a mess. Is this repairable? How? This is a serious blow to my plan.



Suggestions and recommendations appreciated.
Hooked
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm quote
How do you get this front wheel hub bearing off????

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Ossessionato
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:48 pm quote
Chatis wrote:
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:
Dangit - Gick may know or have an idea. I know he's repaired other areas of cases.

That's a bummer...sigh....
Hooked
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:33 am quote
Chatis wrote:
How do you get this front wheel hub bearing off????
Start it off with a chisel under the bearing if you havent got an appropriate puller or grind the race in a couple of points and crack it with a cold chisel
Hooked
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:08 pm quote
When you blast the engine case how do you protect the bearing and seal surfaces?? Do you mate the cases?

This engine case is perfect internally but has a rough spot externally. It was so dirty with 55 years of dirt buildup that it was enormously difficult to remove. Still cleaning. Carb cleaner and WD40 are my preferred cleaning agents. Wire brushes, brass wool, scotch bright pads, toothbrushes, scrapers and screwdrivers to remove hardened layers of dirt.

Suggestions please…

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Inside cleaned up well internally. Not finished cleaning yet. Carb cleaner worked great internally.



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Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:15 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Chatis wrote:
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:
Dangit - Gick may know or have an idea. I know he's repaired other areas of cases.

That's a bummer...sigh....
The case can be welded up and machined. it does not look pushed in anywhere, so i have confidence it can be worked just fine.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:18 am quote
Chatis wrote:
When you blast the engine case how do you protect the bearing and seal surfaces?? Do you mate the cases?

This engine case is perfect internally but has a rough spot externally. It was so dirty with 55 years of dirt buildup that it was enormously difficult to remove. Still cleaning. Carb cleaner and WD40 are my preferred cleaning agents. Wire brushes, brass wool, scotch bright pads, toothbrushes, scrapers and screwdrivers to remove hardened layers of dirt.

Suggestions please…
Dishwasher on Pots and Pans setting when wife isn’t home.
Hooked
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:25 pm quote
Some progress for those interested...

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Repaired, painted and polished. Ready for reassembly.

AR1302.jpg

AR1303.jpg
Color match was quite good. Blend here works OK.

AR1304.jpg
This is not exactly how I imagined it would turn out but I have grown to like it. Epoxy primer does not want to come off.
Represents scars that I have.

AR1305.jpg
Engine rebuild has begun :-). I will be shipping this to Gick. As much as I want to do this he will do a much better job, especially as relates to the repair of the case exterior.

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Front fork rebuild. This will be very much like RB Priors (http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic152801) with a FA Italia swingarm and a mix of Allstate and Indian parts

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I made the bracket myself. A little worried about my welding to get proper penetration. I will try my best.

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If someone can give me dimensions A and B for the center of the steering lock I would be grateful. Thinking about deleting it since I don't like that the key has to be in for it to be unlocked.

Ossessionato
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:28 pm quote
I got 55mm x 34mm from Rocket a 1964 Allstate. Hope this helps!

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55mm

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34mm from legshield to middle of cylinder

Ossessionato
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:42 pm quote
Like that you are rocking the scars.
It’s own kind of patina.
Hooked
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:29 pm quote
Many complain about the quality of Indian parts, and I agree. I do keep in my mind that millions of Indian riders, whose scooters are their primary transport, run on those parts so they must work.

Anyway, I bought a FA Italia for this project (because the Indian one I got was such crap) and...........

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Nice looking part...

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But the casting looks crap and is delaminating.

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This is not finished. But, it is better than the Indian one. I don't have to grind down the brake pads for it to fit!

Style Maven
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:07 pm quote
Looks like the casting was salvaged by welding, then machined. See the gas bubbles in the first pic?

You're probably OK... I'd try running it myself I think, if too hard to return.
Addicted
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:32 pm quote
I'd probably run that FA part and see what happens, if there is no other option. Def better than an indian version..... however, it is possible to find an original Piaggio part. Post up an ad on various platforms and you'll find one for sure. OG better than repop any day. Either way, good luck!
Ossessionato
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:32 pm quote
Hey Chatis - I ran into the same exact thing. I just cleaned up all the flashing on the part, down to the solid metal underneath, and installed it. Works great. I think it must've been a Monday or Friday, or possibly a trainee cleaning up the casting on the thing. Voodoo is the man when it comes to castings.

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Here is what mine looked like

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I ground off all the loose casting and it worked like a charm

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Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:48 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
... Voodoo is the man when it comes to castings.
Not this time, that's actually a steel insert cast right into the part, like your brake pivot pins are. The aluminum you removed is just 'flash' as you noted. The steel insert makes it MUCH stronger. Thanks for the pics and reality reminder!
Hooked
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:17 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
that's actually a steel insert cast right into the part, like your brake pivot pins are.
Confirmed, it is steel.
V oodoo wrote:
The aluminum you removed is just 'flash' as you noted
Removing the front 'flash' would screw up the tolerances, no? Would you then have to put a spacer in?
Ossessionato
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:13 am quote
F.A. Italia is famous for the amount of mozzarella they use in their aluminum parts
Hooked
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:03 pm quote
Been busy today. Welded the bracket for the shock and painted it. Checked and pulled the harness through the tunnel. Pulled all the cables. Put on the right hand floor rails.

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Tacked in place.

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Weld is not pretty, but it should hold.

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Looks better when painted. Found a rattle can that is a pretty close match on color.

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Right hand floor rails. They were actually easier to install than I thought they would be. Needed some finessing.

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Cables in. What does everyone use to lube the cables? What's the best thing? Throttle cable dose not have the soldered end - will need to figure this out.

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Hooked
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:57 pm quote
Question about cables...

So, outers are the same for gear, clutch and throttle - 6mm.

For the actual cables what is the proper diameter of the wire and what barrels are correct? Do they all have top hats?
Hooked
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:12 am quote
Chatis wrote:
Question about cables...

So, outers are the same for gear, clutch and throttle - 6mm.

For the actual cables what is the proper diameter of the wire and what barrels are correct? Do they all have top hats?
Answered here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPS3MtCxjhQ&ab_channel=VespaMotorsport
Hooked
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:30 pm quote
This is where I am today. Some questions below the photos



All the body work is done. I have done the first polish. Do you pull the horn electrical wires below the bottom steering race or above it? Or, does it make a difference?



Floor rails are in.



All the control cables and harness is in. I have a spare clutch/gear and throttle outer and cable installed. Should I leave them in?

Big question, does each cable get the top hat? The throttle cable did not have one and you cannot get the cable out to put one on. I cut a slit in one with a Dremel and put it on. It may fray the wire.



Routed to the other side of things. Notice a small extra harness coming through the grommet. (A bit hard to see.) Where can I get the tube that protects the gear cables? Is there an alternate?



Small harness runs from engine side to glove box side. Where can I get a choke clip? I don't want to pay $5 or $9 shipping for a 90 cent item.



Five different colored wires. I put this in for a future 12V upgrade and for a hidden cut out (security feature) since I have decided not to put the steering lock in. Am I correct that you need to ground the red wire from the stator for the cutout?

Next is the front end. Have all the parts for that now.
Ossessionato
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:39 pm quote
Fuel hose grommet goes the other way around...

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Hooked
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:20 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Fuel hose grommet goes the other way around...
Thanks, done!
bodgemaster
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:58 pm quote
Quote:
I have a spare clutch/gear and throttle outer and cable installed. Should I leave them in?
No.
Quote:
Big question, does each cable get the top hat?
Gear cables, throttle and front brake get top hats. No top hat on clutch.
Hooked
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:50 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Fuel hose grommet goes the other way around...
SaFiS - I am not sure you are correct on the grommet direction.

The picture below shows it the other way around. Other opinions.

Fuel Line Grommet.JPG

Ossessionato
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:11 pm quote
Hey Chatis - The picture is correct. They assume that you're looking through all the metal of the body. It would've been easier if they did the diagram from the other side. Or, in the diagram, the higher hose on the left connects to the fuel tap, which means it's inside the cavity, then exits the cavity to the back of the carb.

SaFis is correct. It's an outie, not an innie.

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Hooked
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:17 pm quote
Got it. It is on the other side of the frame. I stand corrected, again
Hooked
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Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:10 pm quote
Front end Saturday. Putting together the modified front end.

This is a mix of original, Indian, third party and FA Italia parts. Original fork. FAI Swing arm. Mix of original and Indian hardware.



New Indian needle bearings being pulled in. Using assembly lube. Piece of cake.





Greasing the needle bearings.



Perfect trial fit, no play. Pivot pin slid right in.



Pulling in the bearings. New US sealed bearings.











Next the spring. This is by far the most difficult challenge so far. Nearly broke my thumb – springs have some tension… After reading all the methods I morphed my own from various. Compressing the spring was impossible, and I think very dangerous. Very upset that the paint got scratched on the bottom of the bracket, but shit happens. Here is what I did:

1. Screwed the top spring retainer deep into the spring so the stud was below the spring coils.
2. Screwed the spring into the bottom retainer.
3. Bent and pushed the spring into position below the bracket. Really hard work to get it lined up. Used all kinds of things to get this to this position.
4. Took a center punch and rotated the top retainer back so the stud came through the bracket. Continued until the retainer was fully up against the bracket.
5. Bolt and lock washer.



It's an Indian spring.



Then onto the damper (Indian). As you can see I am going to have to modify my home made bracket.



I will grind this out so it can attach to the swing arm.



Calling it a day. Its cold in the garage and the Mrs., who is Covid positive but non symptomatic, won’t let me work in the house. One of her students shared the gift with her class!
Ossessionato
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Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:45 pm quote
Chatis wrote:
Calling it a day. Its cold in the garage and the Mrs., who is Covid positive but non symptomatic, won’t let me work in the house. One of her students shared the gift with her class!
Sorry to hear this Chatis. I just called a friend of mine and he's got Covid. One of his crew brought it to work with him. Good vibes going out to your wife and you!

And good job on the front end. I used ratchet straps on the spring, and various implements like you did.

I ended up clamping the column in upside down in the vise, then used a pipe to compress the spring to line up the damper. You're coming up on that step.
Hooked
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:12 pm quote
Some progress today. It’s coming along. I enjoy when things fit together easily. That’s not the usual for me.



Front end work continues. Bracket modified. Shock in. Bearings in.



To the axel. Putting a seal in for fun.





Sealed bearings so no grease but the speedo grooves do need grease. Don’t forget the important spacer washer.



Original brake shoes – still like new.



This is one of my favorite tools. Makes working with springs sooo easy.



Original drum. BUT…. I think I have a problem



This space does not look correct. That space seems just too big. I haven’t torqued anything but the axel seems to be in place. This is an Indian axel that I confirmed is identical to the Allstate axel except the bearing surface is longer for the FAI swing arm. I am worried that the wheel will not be lined up correctly. Does anyone have any opinion?



Front end done. Need to confirm torque settings for all hardware.



Very happy with how the floor is looking. Much better than how it started!
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