Tips for spotting a ringer?
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LX 50 4T 2006
Joined: 17 Jul 2020
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:47 am quote
Hi all,

I have a 2006 LX 50, and have been loving riding through London to work (got it NOx tested for £175, didn't even show a trace and now exempt from CC and ULEZ).

I need to upgrade it though as need a bit more power for steep hills, and it's slow of the lights but otherwise fine.

I've been looking on Facebook Marketplace and there are a number of 125cc reg as 300cc, I take it that these are ringers and the last thing I want to do is buy a nicked bike.

From reading on here, they buy a battered 125, then steal a 300, and ring it, can anyone explain the ring process so as I don't end up with one, any obvious details?

I don't know why the police do something about them, also came across log books, chassis, immobiliser/key reprogramming.

Thanks

300 reg 125.png

Molto Verboso
2013 Vespa 300 Super, 2007 Burgman 400
Joined: 30 Mar 2014
Posts: 1785
Location: Minneapolis USA
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:26 am quote
Fighting Vespa Theft - Parting out Engines
Hey, my friends across the pond. I am proud of the fact that my
ancestors immigrated from England. Actually, the were sentenced to
"Transport to the Colonies" for supporting Cromwell against the Crown.
Sorry for getting off topic.

You are the land of Sherlock Holmes - surely you can put a stop to this
Vespa theft thing. Unless, that scoundrel Professor Moriarty is behind
all this.

Bob Copeland
Historical Brit Ex-Patriot
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Vespa GTS Super
Joined: 24 Jul 2014
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Location: London
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:37 am quote
Vinnie1 wrote:
Hi all,

I have a 2006 LX 50, and have been loving riding through London to work (got it NOx tested for £175, didn't even show a trace and now exempt from CC and ULEZ).

I need to upgrade it though as need a bit more power for steep hills, and it's slow of the lights but otherwise fine.

I've been looking on Facebook Marketplace and there are a number of 125cc reg as 300cc, I take it that these are ringers and the last thing I want to do is buy a nicked bike.

From reading on here, they buy a battered 125, then steal a 300, and ring it, can anyone explain the ring process so as I don't end up with one, any obvious details?

I don't know why the police do something about them, also came across log books, chassis, immobiliser/key reprogramming.

Thanks
First clue if itís registered as something itís not, chances are the bike is a ringer or the engine is.

Check the vin number, usually found under the seat when you pull the pet carrier out.

You can then run a check, you can also check reg plates on on the Dvla site but if stolen they could be cloning the plate of a legit bike.

Iíd say best bet is to go speak to a reputable dealer, where abouts in London are you?
Hooked
2020 Vespa GTS Touring 300
Joined: 16 Feb 2020
Posts: 144
Location: Northern California
Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:07 am quote
Hmm,
I'm not sure what exactly is in this sad tale of a video any longer, but apparently the London police aren't going to help out unless you pay them to look into a theft.

Stolen Piaggio Vespa Scooter Recovered By Automatrics 080717
https://youtu.be/8sED8FRqx5s

While I dearly love London, video's like this have given me second thoughts about ever having a scooter to ride there.

So I think you rightfully should be wary of the used scooter market that you are looking at.
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Vespa PX 177 Settantesimo, Vespa GTS Super 300 HPE
Joined: 01 Feb 2017
Posts: 907
Location: London
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:29 am quote
The youngsters in the picture and the seller joining FB in 2020 to offload the bike would have my spidey senses tingling.
Molto Verboso
GTS 250i.e.
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 1459
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:59 pm quote
Since there are plenty of GTS insurance write offs, it's common for peeps witha GTS 125 to source a 300 engine and swap it. This gives you a 300 without needing to get a licence. They often dont check the engine number when you get an MOT, so you dont bother informing the DVLA of the engine change.
However, the engine may be from a stolen bike.
If you ride a GTS in London someone will steal it from you eventually......
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Location: New Zealand
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:16 pm quote
Emaculate conception.
Well thereís this



https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emaculate
Veni, Vidi, Posti
Lx 50 4T, GTS 250, S 150 (Missing in KS), Something Chinese, GT 200 (sold)
Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Posts: 8912
Location: KS USA
Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:01 am quote
Does the number of the engine in back of transmission case correlate do the vin number?
Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
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Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin
Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:19 am quote
Re: Emaculate conception.
Lol... yeah, caught that too. Maybe I'm anal, but I think proper spelling is usually a good start to a deal....as are good pictures.
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