My 1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire project.
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:01 am quote
Slowly but surely. Got the center floor rails in. Only because they use screws. Got a pop rivet gun that isnít working at all. Wonít pop the rivets into place. Tried putting screws in there and still wonít help. So I guess Iíll try and find a piece of metal to put in the channel to clamp down then I can peen the rivets that way. Sigh. May take me years to hammer them
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:02 am quote
For some reason the mobile browser wonít let me post pics
Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:39 am quote
Sorry that pop rivet post is confusing. I put nuts around the rivets to get the rivet gun to sit flush but even that didnít help at all.
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:59 am quote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Sorry that pop rivet post is confusing. I put nuts around the rivets to get the rivet gun to sit flush but even that didnít help at all.
Why not use the standard solid rivets and use a rivet tool? it's pretty easy to use.
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:48 am quote
GickSpeed wrote:
FridayMatinee wrote:
Sorry that pop rivet post is confusing. I put nuts around the rivets to get the rivet gun to sit flush but even that didnít help at all.
Why not use the standard solid rivets and use a rivet tool? it's pretty easy to use.
I have crappy arms. Lots of surgeries that never really healed so my squeeze strength is non existent. Canít push the head of the rivet to peen the other side. I tried. My arms donít work sadly
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Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:02 pm quote
I suggest small socket flathead screws, lightly countersink the holes in the trim, nylok nuts on the bottom and trim off the screw flush with bottom of the nut when done. I know it's NOT stock, but looks OK and you can use acorn nuts w/Loctite on those at the front that show. Now you can remove and adjust, and arm strength is not required. I've done it this way a couple of times and it works fine if you are not a purist.
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:40 pm quote
Got the fork hub bearings in and the axle today. Anyone use that SIP 8-10Ē wheel conversion kit and know where that washer they send goes by chance?

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:41 pm quote
Edit: I know where that washer goes now. Under the castle nut. Duh!

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:42 pm quote
Big ups to Chatis for the bearings. Thanks again sir!
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:39 pm quote
I'll loan you the proper rivet tool, so you can do it right. Its about the same effort to use as a pop-rivet tool, but will smash the solid rivets for a factory look. No hammer required! It holds the rivet secure on its own, so you can also use it with 2 hands, should you need the extra leverage.

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:33 am quote
Question about salvageability of this seat frame. Is this worth saving or should I just scrap it?

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:33 am quote
Hereís another view

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:34 am quote
One last view from above ish

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Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:11 pm quote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Question about salvageability of this seat frame. Is this worth saving or should I just scrap it?
You will either have to get springs for that frame or buy another VNA seat frame. Those are set up with the choke lever under the seat.
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:21 pm quote
GickSpeed wrote:
FridayMatinee wrote:
Question about salvageability of this seat frame. Is this worth saving or should I just scrap it?
You will either have to get springs for that frame or buy another VNA seat frame. Those are set up with the choke lever under the seat.
Yep. Those springs all snapped when I sat on it the first time. Completely rusted through. Donít know how they were so bad but thereís no rust under the seat in the frame. Maybe the seat was just wet enough constantly but not wet enough to drip. Who knows. Iíll rebuild it then. Wasnít sure how concerned I should be about the rust on the meaty part of the seat frame. That would also save me having to solve for the choke if I got rid of the original seat.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:24 pm quote
GeekLion coming up huge with the SIP rivet took borrow. Got the left side done tonight. Took about 2hrs. I think the second side will be a lot quicker than that now that Iím getting the hang of using it. Getting the rivet length just right to where itís long enough to peen but not too long to bend as you squeeze has been the hardest part.

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Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:20 pm quote
Hammering away. But not with a hammer! Floor rails done. That SIP tool is a godsend. If you believe in such things.

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Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:21 pm quote
And did a second coat of Ospho on the front fender and seat frame.

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Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:22 pm quote
Oh yeah also got the high beam indicator light all the way from India today. Eventually Iíll track down an original one. Till then this will have to do.

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Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:55 am quote
Looking good! I'm very glad the tool worked out and didn't get lost in the blizzard! Those rails look sharp. Thats a huge gem
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:28 pm quote
GeekLion wrote:
Looking good! I'm very glad the tool worked out and didn't get lost in the blizzard! Those rails look sharp. Thats a huge gem
It is ginormous. And I just was on the SIP site and they have a more original looking one now for only $6 or something. The shipping on that would be absurd. Next order I have to place with Mercato I may have them order it for me then. Plus it's red, like it should be.
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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:32 pm quote
Question. Do I have to press the lower fork bearing in? The pic shows how much of a dry fit gap there is. Just wanna be sure before I try and press it down the rest of the way.

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Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:30 pm quote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Question. Do I have to press the lower fork bearing in? The pic shows how much of a dry fit gap there is. Just wanna be sure before I try and press it down the rest of the way.
Yes, it needs to be fully seated. Heat it up and it will tap onto the fork.
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Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:34 am quote
Oh boy. Heated it up in the oven then went to install. Got the bearing half way on and realized I didnít put the seal on first. Luckily I didnít get the bearing all the way set. Apparently 10:30am is still too early for me to work.
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:11 pm quote
Stretch run now. Got the wiring harness in and the shift, clutch and throttle cables. The throttle is supposed to go in the grommet that the wiring harness goes through correct? It is TIGHT in there. Gonna try and hit the grommet with a hair dryer to soften it up and bit and see if I canít get it in there.

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Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:11 pm quote
And hereís the headset area

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Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:31 pm quote
Now that I think about it Iím assuming not all those wires go through the grommet. The rear light wires and the wires for the regulator donít right?
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:42 pm quote
Regulator wires to the left panel, taillight wires go to the rear
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:10 pm quote
Got em.

Was a pain in the bum but all the wires and cables are run. Oh also finally got that damned fuel tap out. Without the special tool no less. Just break the filter thatís inside the tank off and use a socket with an extension to take it out with a ratchet or impact wrench. The outlet is completely sealed with old varnished gas. Good news though. Now I can clean the tank more and get a new tap and not need a new tank cause that tap wasnít coming out. A tap is cheaper than a tank and a tap after all.
Need a seat and buddy seat, grips and a fuel tap and Iíll be up and running.

Forgot to take pics and Iím in bed already. Next I need to run the wire for the CHT. Once I get that in and I get the brake return spring for the front, I can install the fork and headset and engine.

Much excited. To quote Mr. Gick ď This will prove to be an extremely fast scooter; be careful and have fun.Ē

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:11 pm quote
Oh and I need a tail light too. Either way almost at the finish line.
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:55 pm quote
Great news! Glad you got the fuel tap out ok. Those are fun. Chuck it in the bin and get a new fast flow tap - and take it apart, clean out any casting flash to maximize flow before using it.

Motor looks nice! I think I saw Gick building that on his site
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Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:04 pm quote
Ohh FM, I'm feeling the excitement building - almost there! And that engine is going to make that thing fly.

You know the drill - go easy, then a little more, then a little more. Next thing you know you and your machine will become one...

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1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:22 am quote
GeekLion wrote:
Great news! Glad you got the fuel tap out ok. Those are fun. Chuck it in the bin and get a new fast flow tap - and take it apart, clean out any casting flash to maximize flow before using it.

Motor looks nice! I think I saw Gick building that on his site
Good tip on cleaning it out before I put it in!

and yeah he posted about it. Watching it lunge forward in his bench test video was pretty sweet to see!
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:26 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Ohh FM, I'm feeling the excitement building - almost there! And that engine is going to make that thing fly.

You know the drill - go easy, then a little more, then a little more. Next thing you know you and your machine will become one...

I can't wait. Just in time for the lousy Smarch weather! At least March here is still wintery so I got about a month before I get too antsy with wanting to take her out on our first date. Maybe on April Fool's day it'll be ready hehe.... perfect day to act like a fool!
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Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:14 pm quote
The fool on the Hill

Looking forward to that running in video!! Your in the home stretch!
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