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Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8014
Location: Victoria, Australia
Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:50 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
No worries ginch. I am wondering though how long the ggr hot reeds last and what they cost?
Mine have lasted years, not sure exactly but I'd guess 7? Would be interesting to know if there was much performance difference between them and the Boyesens.
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 150
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1258
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:58 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Might as well cut out the center support bar in the reed block, and blend the the intake path to smooth things out.
Dangit - slippery slope indeed. I'll pull the reed block tomorrow and see what's going on. It's obvious everybody else has done this. Would you happen to have a thread you'd know offhand that I could check out? Thanks man! If not, I'll start searching...

UPDATE: I'm finding all kinds of good threads on MV pertaining to LML engine mods, and that includes the reed block.
My first Stella mod, it's a slippery slope indeed. This is the video I watched.

You might as well get a bell mouth intake from shape ways also. Get rid of that restrictive air filter.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/ZFBJ7HCAE/20mm-largeframe-vespa?optionId=451888&li=shops
Ossessionato
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2903
Location: Nashville
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:59 am quote
qa, you should check out the old Sprint Sleeper thread for sure, and I followed it when I did my Porting 101 thread. Both of them cover the reed block in some detail.

It looks like the PO did a little bit of performance modding on your motor, but didn't do it very well. If the autolube hole was blocked or that leaky, it's entirely possible that the top end has seized due to lack of oil, so check compression and maybe pull the head for a more comprehensive inspection.

Either way, that's a hell of a score for $1400. That bike would have gone for about $2k in Chicago in that condition, if you could even find one that looked that good.

edit: added the missing links to the referenced threads

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Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 150
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1258
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:13 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
qa, you should check out the old [url=]Sprint Sleeper[/url] thread for sure, and I followed it when I did my [url=]Porting 101[/url] thread. Both of them cover the reed block in some detail.

It looks like the PO did a little bit of performance modding on your motor, but didn't do it very well. If the autolube hole was blocked or that leaky, it's entirely possible that the top end has seized due to lack of oil, so check compression and maybe pull the head for a more comprehensive inspection.

Either way, that's a hell of a score for $1400. That bike would have gone for about $2k in Chicago in that condition, if you could even find one that looked that good.
I agree, he should take the cylinder off, check the condition of the wall, might as well open up the exhaust port while your in there.
Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:19 am quote
Lol.. Everyone tuning QA's stella already. Just ride it!
Ossessionato
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2903
Location: Nashville
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:55 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Lol.. Everyone tuning QA's stella already. Just ride it!
Tuner's gotta tune, Swiss...
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 150
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1258
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:55 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Lol.. Everyone tuning QA's stella already. Just ride it!
LOL, yeah, but he hasn't removed the catalytic converter yet and put in a straight section.
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:27 am quote
First off, I just gotta say - I love you guys! Thanks for the encouragement and goading/prodding, and info, o make it better than stock.
swiss1939 wrote:
I am wondering though how long the ggr hot reeds last and what they cost?
$35 from ScooterMercato, with the gaskets. I may add them to the order when I place it. I too am curious on longevity and performance difference. http://www.scootermercato.com/GGRHOTREED

Thanks for the Vid Christopher! Bellmouth eh?
chandlerman wrote:
qa, you should check out the old Sprint Sleeper thread for sure, and I followed it when I did my Porting 101 thread. Both of them cover the reed block in some detail.
Thanks for these links CM1 - I'll check them out. And I agree, I should check out what's going on in there. I may just look in the exhaust hole (I'm such a perv - ha).

And I may take off the shroud just to clean things up. I didn't pressure wash it before I took the carb off, so I'm stuck doing it the ole fashion way - with a brush and lots of mess.
swiss1939 wrote:
Lol.. Everyone tuning QA's stella already. Just ride it!
Every time I go to do something "Simple" it turns out that there are 10 other things I should do while I'm at it!
chandlerman wrote:
Tuner's gotta tune, Swiss...
Heh - there is no denying, if I can eek a bit more juice out of her without compromising the integrity of going WOT for extended lengths of time, I'm probably gonna do it, if it doesn't cost too much that is....

Question: So am I to assume the bar in the reed block is there to keep the reed from somehow ending up in the lower end? I can see it being a restriction but it looks like it may prevent that catastrophe...
Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:36 am quote
The bar is only for the metal reeds. Replacing with carbon fiber or fiberglass means you don't really need it. It's just reducing airflow.

Not sure how the ggr reeds are, but boyesen are two separate reed sizes, a larger outer one that also acts as the center bar on the reed plate everyone is suggesting you remove. The smaller reed sits above that (when installing, but really below it when flipped and installed). Reason being for two separate reed pedals of different size is that you get optimized flow both at low vacuum idle and high vacuum wot because the smaller pedals are easier to open at idle, and the larger pedals open at mid to high throttle and both pedals act as one at mid to high.

This gives you that little extra bit of throttle response at low throttle than just one size pedal.
Hooked
Rat 2003 Stella 2T; 1979 P125x (in pieces, out for paint)
Joined: 12 Sep 2015
Posts: 273
Location: Madtown
Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:47 am quote
What keeps the reeds from falling into the cases (or, more worrisomely, the two tiny machine screws that hold them in place) is the blue loc-tite that you *must* put on the tiny little screws.

The Stella Service Manual contained, I recall, warnings about never, ever touching those screws. Of course, you need to touch them to put the new reeds in. Just make sure to glue em back in tight.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8014
Location: Victoria, Australia
Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:26 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Bellmouth eh?
If you are considering one, make sure you read Patrick's thread first. No need to throw away the filter, Patrick has come up with a great filter option to work with his bellmouth.

Bell-mouth intake
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:29 pm quote
Thanks Yackee - I'll red locktite them in.

And thank you Ginch. I'll read the thread before I drop any cash on anything.

So today I've got good news and bad news.

Good News:

I'm glad I pulled the carb and the oil pump. Someone put gasket sealer all over the oil pump when they reinstalled it, presumably to stop the oil leak. They dicked up the slotted threads of the three screws, and there was an excess of the sealant all over the tiny orifices of the autolube. So I got that all cleaned up.

Bad News: I lost the ball bearing and spacer that reside at the base of the autolube setup! They hit the ground and disappeared. I crawled around for an hour with a magnet, but finally gave up.

Bad News: One of the carb bolts was split and washers were missing off the carb bolts.

Good News: At least I found the bolt was split!

All in all, a good few hours cleaning stuff up. I got the carb broken down and cleaned, and marked for the slight cleaning up of the intake. I also drilled the float bowl intake to 5/64th or 2mm. After I grind and smoothen the intake, it'll be ready to put together.

I removed the white filter liner out of the air filter.

Tomorrow I'll drill the heart in the air filter, cut the bridge out of the reed block, and clean up the carb box intake. At least everything is clean. AND I'll be making a call to David to see if he can rustle up the parts I lost for the autolube. Dooohhhh!

Oh, and here is the current status of the carb when I pulled it out.

2020D
55-160 pilot
140-E3-94 Main Stack
Drilled float bowl passage to 5/64th or 2mm
The air/fuel screw was out one turn! Yikes...

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All cleaned and ready for smoothening up the transfers

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A split nut - what the??? Also, missing washers and locknuts...

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The autolube gasket. I forgot to take a pic of the autolube itself with the sealant material all over the place inside.

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Autolube parts in a bucket

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I'm missing part 61 and 63. I've got the tiny spring...

Hooked
Stella 2T 150, Honda C70
Joined: 25 Sep 2019
Posts: 148
Location: Seattle
Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:20 pm quote
I've got the same model year as you but in orange. I'll just say that everything that has been mentioned above is correct.

One more to do is CHANGE THE TIRES! Those rubbers are now at least 12 years old and really you shouldn't ride anything older than 5 or 6. I mean you can if you want but $80 for new skins is way cheaper than new skin.

I've got a retro stella badge if you want, its in the old Vespa PX script. I'm trying to get @Voodoo to help me cast some in aluminum.

Also the Haynes Red Vespa book is way better than the Stella Service Manual.

Welcome,
Hal
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:04 pm quote
Very cool Hal - yes, I'm interested in the badge. Someone took all the Stella emblems off this one.

And someone also changed all the tires to Zippys - they are 6 years old. I'll wear them out before 7 years hits.

I'd love to see you and Terry cast some badges. That would be very cool!

BTW, I'm partial to Orange, but the green is working on me.
Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2795

Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:23 pm quote
Scott, do I need to slip #61 and #63 in an envelope tomorrow?


I bought a few spares after finding out that two of the 2005 PX150s that I bought didnít come with a check ball. They only came with a spring and bush.

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Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:59 am quote
whodatschrome wrote:
Scott, do I need to slip #61 and #63 in an envelope to you? .
That would be amazing! Yes please. PMing my address now. Thanks so much!!!
Enthusiast
2005 Stella 2T
Joined: 14 Jun 2020
Posts: 74
Location: MA
Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:42 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Oh, and here is the current status of the carb when I pulled it out.

2020D
55-160 pilot
140-E3-94 Main Stack
Drilled float bowl passage to 5/64th or 2mm
The air/fuel screw was out one turn! Yikes...
Stock jetting on my 2005 was 40/130 idle jet and 140/E3/93 main stack.

I tried a 55/160 idle jet when I installed a Polini box and drilled airfilter and it was way too rich. At partial throttle, unburned fuel was popping off in the exhaust. Going back to the 40/130 solved that immediately.

On the other hand, based on my experience, the MJ94 is too lean if you have a performance exhaust and drilled airfilter. I went down the 177 kit rabbit hole before I finished dialing mine in, but I now realize that a 103 was too rich. I would start with a 101 and see if you get any splutter at WOT with that. You don't really need to change the AC140 or the E3.

On a stock Stella, the mixture screw is supposed to be 1 1/2 turns out. If the 55/160 idle jet trims out at only one turn, that is a further indication it is too rich.

Obviously, this is just one scooterist's experience and YMMV.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2070
Location: Veria, Greece
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:01 am quote
@qascooter: Since youíve gone that far with the autolube pump, you should also take out the main body (circled part) and replace the two o-rings for a proper maintenance. You push it upwards through the hole of the securing screw (yellow arrow). O-rings are the same as the one for the clutch arm...

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Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:53 am quote
Thanks Kowalski for the insight! I was thinking that the main jet would be too lean, especially after I drill the heart and pulled the extra liner out of the air filter. I wasn't even thinking about the pilot, so I'll keep an eye on that when I get it back together and proceed to play the jetting game.

Good one Safis - thanks for point it out. I'll get this done!
Enthusiast
1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
Joined: 31 Jan 2016
Posts: 65
Location: Kansas City
Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:26 pm quote
So, QAScooter, seems we have the same weakness! Just a few days before you picked up Olive I picked up a 2008 Orange Stella with 473 miles (now named Auran). (I also picked up a basket case Silver 2005 with 10,000 plus miles thatís in the neighborís garage to be addressed at another time.) And, as you know I am working on a 65 Allstate doing a build very similar to yours. Fleet now up to six

Mine is pretty stock. I can see no changes or modifications what so ever. All the rubbers are trash, and some like the neutral switch cap are just remnants. Going to use shoe goo to repair what I can for now.

My path for performance upgrades will be much more modest. Just going to replace the filter with a P200 filter, re-jet to 55-160 idle and somewhere between a stock 140AC/BE4/107 for a 150 before emission regulations, and a 160AC/BE3/105 which is popular, and put on a stock non-cat exhaust. I am timid rider and I donít ride often enough to really invest in the performance. But, looking forward to what you will do and I may follow suit; like I am on your Ď62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the roadí

Congrats on the scoot!
Enthusiast
1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
Joined: 31 Jan 2016
Posts: 65
Location: Kansas City
Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:51 pm quote
I noticed that your stand doesn't have anything on the ends.

Mine does...

Auran Stand.jpg
(How do you get the boot over that end? Diameters are really different!)

Hooked
Stella 2T 150, Honda C70
Joined: 25 Sep 2019
Posts: 148
Location: Seattle
Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:24 pm quote
I'm going to jump back in here with a few more observations and suggestions based on my experiences over the past year.

That Stella stand is made out of tin foil. I bent mine back into shape a few times before I spent the $30 for a reinforced stand. Since then its been much more stable.

I did the reed swap and general flowing same as you and its a nice little tick up in overall performance and response. I used the Boyesen 605s which are cheap and come in a two pack so I have a set of backups. I'm told to replace after 2000 miles.

Here's a pic of the Stella badge. I've got some that need paint and stuff but happy to share.
http://members.modernvespa.net/whereshaldo/uploads/20200414_094403_45138.jpg

Also attached is the STL file if you want to print it yourself. I just opened it in MS Paint 3D and it gave me an option to print. $30 and two weeks later I had a badge. I was even able to scale it to the size I wanted.

Everyone is right that the rubber bits are cheap but I've found a few bits are cheap and crappy. I creatively carved these up to seal the neutral light switch, the electrical junction box and a few other places. They're nice marine grade and will probably last longer than the bike.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/blue-sea-systems--cablecap-stud-insulator-fits-8-4-cable-2-pack-black--P003825890?pCode=3825908&cm_mmc=PS-_-Google-_-GSC%3ENonB%3EProduct%2520Type-_-3825908&product_id=3825908&creative=108421552324&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-rj9BRCAARIsANB_4ADUy8qaCQxEwThPiA5rck2G3rZduHzOTWRQrKPZC9TNcJfFY-ssIA4aAvQEEALw_wcB

Thats enough for now. If you want one of the badges, PM me and I send you photos of what I have.
Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:39 pm quote
Is that Stella badge plastic or paper? I'd be interested in a plastic badge like that. Straight swap of the existing one.
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:52 pm quote
Very cool Chatis - thanks and good job on scoring one for yourself. I've been watching what you've been doing. My 62 Allstate's 3rd gear disappeared on my last ride. It looks like I'll be opening the cases sooner rather than later. I want to get Olive up and running solid first though.

I put boots on, I just didn't have them installed yet. But mine didn't have the plastic bit that yours has on it. It was just bare metal.

Hey Hal - I'd love to see what you've got because I'd like to rebadge her. I'll PM you shortly.

And the Boysen reeds should be here today. I just finished up smoothening the transitions and am ready to reinstall But that's the next post.

Thanks again!
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:38 pm quote
Today's progress:

Cut out reed block bar and cleaned up the edges.
Got the white inner liner out of the air filter and drilled the heart
Cleaned up the transitions from the reed block to the carb.

I didn't have much time today to reassemble. It'll have to do...

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Restrictive white liner removed and heart drilled

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Reed block bar removed and the whole thing cleaned up a bit

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Carb and carb box mated a bit better now

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I use this little file for some of the detail area that is too tight for the sanding wheel on the dremel

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Life is good when you get to eat a buttermilk bar, drink coffee, and listen to some cool tunes, while working on the scooter. It's the little things....that are big.

Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2795

Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:02 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
Scott, do I need to slip #61 and #63 in an envelope to you? .
That would be amazing! Yes please. PMing my address now. Thanks so much!!!
The care envelope is in the mail. Did you ever happen to remove the shroud to see if it still has the stock cylinder?
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:16 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
The care envelope is in the mail. Did you ever happen to remove the shroud to see if it still has the stock cylinder?
Thanks man! No, I haven't pulled the shroud yet. Crazy day today. Hopefully tomorrow I'll check it out. I want to clean up a little bit under there anyway, as well as under the spare tire. And I might paint the shroud cover and wheel cover flat black....just cause.

Thanks again!
Style Maven
74 50s x3 78 P200 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 7949
Location: seattle/athens
Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:42 pm quote
I happened to be on a site that had Stella parts and noticed this caveat. Looks like you did pretty dang good considering...

So revel on.
Quote:
NOTE THE FOLLOWING ABOUT STELLA BODY PANELS: The factory that makes the Stella is in India. They don't have flying space robots to paint the scooters there. They are painted by real guys using technology slightly better than a brush and roller. All body panels will have slight flaws and blemishes in the paint. This is normal and gives the scooters character, so revel in the authenticity.
Addicted
'66 Super 150
Joined: 11 Jul 2017
Posts: 715
Location: MN
Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:16 pm quote
ďLife is good when you get to eat a buttermilk bar, drink coffee, and listen to some cool tunes, while working on the scooter. It's the little things....that are big.Ē

So. True. Itís the little things...

Well, Jeez Louise, qa!!!!! You scored a PRIZE there!!! Such a great colored Stella with beautiful paint and in very good shape!!!

Did I use too many exclamation points yet?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITíS AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!

A very nice looking tweener. And I love the name Olive. Your scoots are total characters with unique personalities. Like friends, they are.

Youíre doing a great job with all your tuning and tweaking and jetting and boring holes in stuff.....just get it properly badged, thanks to V oodoo and youíll be all set.

Following along, waiting for good ride stories.....congrats!!

(A+ on your garage organization!)
Molto Verboso
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
Posts: 1844
Location: california
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:46 pm quote
qas - I have no idea what a buttermilk bar is - but it looks pretty damn good next to that coffee.
Even better when you are working in the garage and it's raining outside.
The zen of scooter work - personified.

As for that inlet matching job you did - gracious you do some tidy work.
Great shape for flow as well.
Some nice upgrade work indeed.
Will take some inspiration for the next time I pull out the Dremel (as if I have actually put the Dremel away rather than piled it on top of my other tools).

🙂
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:56 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Quote:
So revel in the authenticity[/i].
I'm reveling baby, I'm revelin....
Kimono32 wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITíS AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!

(A+ on your garage organization!)
Thank you K - You are too kind. The scooter is awesome though, once I get it sorted it'll be super awesome - maybe even worthy to take up to Yachats (Yaw-hots).

And A+....Bwahahahahaaahaahaaaa. It feels like a C-
charlieman22 wrote:
I have no idea what a buttermilk bar is
Say Whaaaatttt?????

OK, here is a little story for you. Back in the day in SoCal, When Disneyland would be rented out by The company my dad worked for, only the one company, and you're a 10 year old with your 8 year old brother running Disneyland. We'd end the night in Frontierland (Country Bear Jamboree, then the Tikee Room, then the Swiss Family Robinson treehouse. Across from that was a place that sold orange juice and buttermilk donuts. Quite a fond memory of when I was a kid. So I've always gotten buttermilk donuts and nothing has compared to that memory, until Dirk opened up Dirks donuts here in town. Two words: DE-LUXE!

Thanks for the kind words on the Carb/Box/block flow front. And you are correct - it's very "in the moment - all is good" Zen when it's raining outside, tunes, coffee, the best donut on the fricken planet, getting stuff working. A perfect moment in the moments of life. Sometimes you can count them on your hand.

Reminds me of that movie "The Last Samurai". The dude spends his whole life looking for the perfect cherry blossom. And when he's dying he looks up and says, "I found it - they're all perfect!".

If you get a chance, try a buttermilk donut, glazed. They go best with a cup of coffee.
Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
Joined: 07 Nov 2012
Posts: 2289

Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:24 am quote
Wow I think you did pretty good on the deal and you got be thinking now about a future 5 port bike.
Iím a bit surprised on the work that has been done on your bike, I thought they only did this kinda stuff on the older vintage stuff.
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:50 am quote
Lynnb wrote:
I thought they only did this kinda stuff on the older vintage stuff.
Thanks Lynn. The thing is, this is an older vintage scooter, in a newer body with disc brakes.

I got the ScooterMercato order yesterday, the Boysen reeds, and also the autolube check ball and block from Whodat (thanks man!), so I am good to go for reassembly.

I put the oil pump and carb together at the kitchen table, and put a coat of wax under the cowls on the body. I also painted the spare tire cover mount and the cylinder shroud. The faded gray/white was bugging me.

Oh yeah, I took off the shroud to check out the cylinder. It looks stock and has these rubber blocks between the fins, I'm presuming to keep vibration down. What I notice with them though is they catch a lot of grime, which cuts down on airflow over the fins, which is their point, so I don't think I'm putting them back in.

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Carb reassembled

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Cylinder after pulling the shroud. dirty...

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That's better

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Shroud and spare wheel cover painted

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All cleaned up under there and ready to put back together

Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:08 am quote
Looks like stock cylinder to me. Also love the paint on the covers! I was actually planning on repainting my cylinder cover as well.
Hooked
Stella 2T 150, Honda C70
Joined: 25 Sep 2019
Posts: 148
Location: Seattle
Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:22 am quote
Looks nice and tidy. What kind of paint did you use on the plastics?

Also what's the red scoot in the background?

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Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:57 pm quote
Thanks Swiss and Hal. I used this paint. I figured if it was for car bumpers, it should work for the plastics on the scoot. Time will tell.

And that is Ruby, the 79 P200. She deserves new seals and shift cross. Almost ten thousand miles on her and it's never been opened up, or had the clutch opened....since 1979.....She deserves some love....

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Here is the paint I used for the plastics. We'll see how it holds up.

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The beloved Ruby - waiting to go for a run into town for whatever, rain or shine...

Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:29 pm quote
Wooohooo - Olive is ALIVE!!! I spent a few hours and got her all together and fired it up - with the electric start - what a crack up! I shut it off and kicked it over for grins also.

So here is my dilemma and the big question of the day - how should the carb be jetted for my current setup?

Stock Stella's came with:

40/130
140/E3/94

This one came with:

55/160
140/E3/94 (but it had a performance pipe installed somewhere down the line and no mod to the main jet)

I've drilled the heart and removed the restrictive liner in the air filter, Boysen Reeds, and the performance pipe. So I'm thinking something like this:

55/160
140/BE5/102

I don't have a BE3 (unless I pilfer from B-62) and my 105 jet is also in B-62

What do you all think I should start out with?

Here are some pictures of reassembly...

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Boysen Reeds, with Red loctite

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Oil pump gear going in...

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OK, I won't bore you with the in-between pictures. All the proper gaskets are installed, and I used blue loctite on the reed block screws. Carb is in.

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Almost ready to fire up. I used a ketchup bottle full of 2t oil and filled up the oil pump until I heard it gurgling, then reconnected the hose. It smoked a bit on startup - I'm assuming burning the excess oil I squirted in there...

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Battery, spare tire, and tire guard installed. All electrics work except the gas gauge.

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Highly detailed and technical notes. Where is Hibbert when you need em!

Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2342
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:45 pm quote
that 55/160 idle might be too rich. I never could get it to run right with that on my stock stella and just left the stock idle in. I was up around same be3 mj stack with performance exhaust on it.
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1819
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:51 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
that 55/160 idle might be too rich. I never could get it to run right with that on my stock stella and just left the stock idle in. I was up around same be3 mj stack with performance exhaust on it.
Excellent, thanks Swiss.

Anybody else have an opinion on what I should start with?
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