side stand, yes or no ?
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Motovespa T5
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:43 am quote
What are opinions on fitting a side stand, mainly just for brief use when between coming out of garage and closing gates, I have soft ground and it`s handy to park bikes on side stand on a flat stone set for the purpose...
do they fit ok
Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:38 am quote
I've got one and use it all the time. It does interfere with the center stand. To use the center stand you've got to put out the side stand first.

I've got to be careful where I park with the side stand. Mine is on the left, but the scooter is weighted on the right, so it always wants to lean to the right. Just a little of thought ahead to keep it on the stand though. I pretty use it exclusively, unless I'm doing work on it.

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Crappy pic, but you get the gist...

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Motovespa T5
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:49 am quote
Thanks, can`t see a problem with having to put side stand down to put it on main stand, i will have a look at prices and avaiability, cheers

does the floor have to be drilled or does it use existing mounts ?
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:06 am quote
Side stands look cool, are very convenient, and suck big time as far as I’m concerned....unless you modify it to fit on the right hand floorboard. The chances are just too great for the scooter to tip over that I would never recommend anyone to install one on the left side. And if you decide to mount it on the right side “suicide” style, then that’s on you!
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:08 am quote
spookyt5 wrote:
does the floor have to be drilled or does it use existing mounts ?
They use the existing centerstand holes (It gets sandwiched between the floor and center stand brackets).
bodgemaster
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:10 pm quote
Love my Hurricane side stand.

Mounts on the end of the center bolt, left side. Center stand comes off completely.

Super stable, plenty of lean, no chance of the scoot tipping over.

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Motovespa T5
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:51 pm quote
that looks good, nice lean and should be solid...
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:36 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Love my Hurricane side stand.

Mounts on the end of the center bolt, left side. Center stand comes off completely.

Super stable, plenty of lean, no chance of the scoot tipping over.
That sidestand does look very nice Guy, but if you park your scoot in a hilly place like Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco, then all bets are off for any left hand mounted sidestand. I just hate seeing scooters getting tipped over.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:57 pm quote
They look awesome and easy to get on and go quick, but I wouldn't trust that in a city like NYC. Some asshole gonna come by and push that over way easier than on center stand. Or someone will bump you while parallel parking and see ya later vespa!
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:22 pm quote
Wote yes if side stand not compromiting lean angle during cornering.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:21 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
SoCalGuy wrote:
Love my Hurricane side stand.

Mounts on the end of the center bolt, left side. Center stand comes off completely.

Super stable, plenty of lean, no chance of the scoot tipping over.
That sidestand does look very nice Guy, but if you park your scoot in a hilly place like Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco, then all bets are off for any left hand mounted sidestand. I just hate seeing scooters getting tipped over.
I hear ya. Suburb I live in is nothing but hills. It can be a little tricky finding the right angle on a steep street, but it hasn’t been a problem in the years I’ve had it on there. It’s more stable than you might think. No issues cornering unless you’re a knee dragger. Works for me, but to each their own.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:03 am quote
Re: side stand, yes or no ?
(Mike, can we see how your Hurricane mounts? )

Well.... maybe.

If you modify one to work properly on the right, then yes.

If you find one like SCG's or this odd one I just found for on the left, then maybe with conditions, or your bike gets dumped. I found that if I am on a slight grade and put the stand foot DOWNHILL, I'm probably OK. But reverse that and it won't even park likely or blow over in the wind. Even on the level, a light accidental brush sent my new P into a damn motorcycle, but fortunately was only an inch away. I'd avoid most LH unless you can park properly religiously where it won't be disturbed.

If you figure out how to reverse one to RH, keep in mind the parked bike needs to be nearly straight up vertical or will flood, ask me how I know. Then yes.

It will STILL be more stable than a stock LH. My experience anyway, here's the ONLY LH I tolerate.

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cast aluminum on sturdy steel bracket


before removing & stripping off white paint

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I like how it automatically retracts when unweighted

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parked on slight grade with foot downhill

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on the level, walk by too close, Hello big Yamaha

Jet Eye Master
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:41 am quote
Voodoo, I have the same side stand on my 221. Works great. Independent of centre stand. Springs up on its own; a handy feature to avoid dying.
I have found a few mm of spacer between the side stand and frame, avoids damaging the floor.
I use the side stand if it's convenient, appropriate or needs to look cool (while not being left unattended). Handy to have as a choice.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:00 am quote
Ask yourself. . . “Will this help me get home?”
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:33 am quote
Jack221 wrote:
Voodoo, I have the same side stand on my 221. Works great. Independent of centre stand. Springs up on its own; a handy feature to avoid dying.
I have found a few mm of spacer between the side stand and frame, avoids damaging the floor.
I use the side stand if it's convenient, appropriate or needs to look cool (while not being left unattended). Handy to have as a choice.
Jack, a trick to keep that particular aluminum sidestand from whacking against the frame is to slide a kickstart rubber foot pad up over the sidestand leg. And they come in all sorts of colors, black, grey, blue, red, ect...
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:23 am quote
tipsy
Voods and Co. here is a mount pic. there is an adaptor/extender that screws onto the center bolt. Mine has been very stable and yes I sketch out parking on an incline but its worked great so far.

Cheers All!

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Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:47 am quote
Re: tipsy
modkuo wrote:
Voods and Co. here is a mount pic. there is an adaptor/extender that screws onto the center bolt. Mine has been very stable and yes I sketch out parking on an incline but its worked great so far.

Cheers All!
Is this it? I don't run a spare so that not an issue.



https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/side-stand_75191000
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:53 am quote
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yes, thats it.
bodgemaster
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:04 pm quote
Yup, that’s it. And modkuo gets full credit for turning me on to it (thx again bro).

Here’s a picture showing how it mounts. Excuse all the grunge.

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Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:16 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Yup, that’s it. And modkuo gets full credit for turning me on to it (thx again bro).

Here’s a picture showing how it mounts. Excuse all the grunge.
The stand off that it comes with replaces the nut that would normally be there?
bodgemaster
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:53 pm quote
Right. Same concept as the extender on the top of the rear shock.

The extender screws onto the end of the center bolt and effectively becomes the new nut.
Jet Eye Master
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:09 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
Jack221 wrote:
Voodoo, I have the same side stand on my 221. Works great. Independent of centre stand. Springs up on its own; a handy feature to avoid dying.
I have found a few mm of spacer between the side stand and frame, avoids damaging the floor.
I use the side stand if it's convenient, appropriate or needs to look cool (while not being left unattended). Handy to have as a choice.
Jack, a trick to keep that particular aluminum sidestand from whacking against the frame is to slide a kickstart rubber foot pad up over the sidestand leg. And they come in all sorts of colors, black, grey, blue, red, ect...
The spacer between side stand and frame isn't to stop the whacking (which it does do without a rubber pad) but to stop the flex of the sidestand metal marking the floor. For us that don't do bodywork more prevention is necessary.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 pm quote
GickSpeed wrote:
Ask yourself. . . “Will this help me get home?”
To quote an old timer: Chrome sure is pretty, but chrome don’t get you home, son.

I put side stands in the same group of electric starts.

Just a general: Why?

But it’s yours, so do whatever you want with it. Just use good shit, but good stuff and be safe.

-g
Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:01 pm quote
I've been looking at one since my Stella fell over in a gravel lot. The center stand doesn't stick out far enough and she fell over.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:34 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
GickSpeed wrote:
Ask yourself. . . “Will this help me get home?”
Chrome sure is pretty
-g
wait, what?....that's the same thing i've been telling everyone about myself as well! Glad were on the same page.
Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:59 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
GickSpeed wrote:
Ask yourself. . . “Will this help me get home?”
To quote an old timer: Chrome sure is pretty, but chrome don’t get you home, son.

I put side stands in the same group of electric starts.

Just a general: Why?

But it’s yours, so do whatever you want with it. Just use good shit, but good stuff and be safe.

-g
Y’all know I’m a sucker for “because it’s cool”. Reckon e-start is slightly different - it isn’t necessary but pretty cool feature if possible. I still plan on chasing sorting e-start on my VAPE because it will be pretty rad to push button start my Sportique. Wouldn’t bother if I didn’t have everything sorted apart from the flywheel.

Having said that... I have a side stand sitting on the shelf. And there it will stay (or I’ll sell it). Side stands come with risk of tipping and potential flooding. So the only reason to have one really is because they look rad. But just not worth the risk... if my bike falls over the damage to the indicators and mirrors isn’t worth the cool factor.

Even cool needs to be safe and functional I reckon.
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:03 pm quote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
I've been looking at one since my Stella fell over in a gravel lot. The center stand doesn't stick out far enough and she fell over.
I almost lost mine to new asphalt. Came back to find one foot sunk in and a precarious lean. Lesson learnt - check the ground is trustworthy. But a side stand on the same spot and she would’ve tipped for sure I reckon.
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