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Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:33 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
err... we will get after it when I fashion and/or buy a fuel tap wrench that works on the SS.

I forgot how far back the tap was on these tanks!
Ah yes. Starting to vaguely recall this bit of fuckery. I probably have the fuel tap wrench somewhere, wish I could have sent it along.
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:43 pm quote
jess wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
err... we will get after it when I fashion and/or buy a fuel tap wrench that works on the SS.

I forgot how far back the tap was on these tanks!
Ah yes. Starting to vaguely recall this bit of fuckery. I probably have the fuel tap wrench somewhere, wish I could have sent it along.
doubt you had one. if you needed it would probably have used mine.
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:02 pm quote
The Funny thing is I think I had one for the Primavera or the rally 180 iirc ...but I lent it to my friend Nick a few years back. Seems like a good time to call Diamond Dave at Scooter Mercato to grab one.
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:08 pm quote
What will be your approach to address the rust in the tank? I am about to tackle this on my SS tank.
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Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:23 pm quote
Velasquez wrote:
What will be your approach to address the rust in the tank? I am about to tackle this on my SS tank.
Well... less is more in this case. For the record, I have never seen anything good happen with coating a tank, so avoid going down that road.

Luckily this oneís so clean that it doesnít need a serious acid treatment ...all it needs is a very light treatment. Probably just use a vinegar soak and then a well cushioned tumble in the dryer with some BBs.

I did a VNB tank that was worse. I used navel jelly (phosphric acid), water and black rocks. After shaking and draining the acid wash, I used degreaser, blackrock, and water. Dry immediately with a hair dryer or heat gun and then tumbled with more blackrocks in the dryer (wrapped in towels, no heat, wife gone for the day). then rinse with degreaser again, dry, and a quick coating of oil and gas to prevent flash rusting.
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:02 pm quote
Wondering if electrolysis rust removal might be the safest way to go? Played with it on small parts but never a tank.
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:11 pm quote




Oh yes... thatís an idea!
Sergeant at Arms
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:14 pm quote
It doesnít look that bad, Iíd prob go with phosphoric acid on this one.

Totally forgot to look at the tank I have, but Iíll def have a peek tomorrow!

-g
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Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:26 pm quote
Unless youíre in a big hurry, Iíd be tempted to just fill it with a gallon of vinegar and let it sit while you work on the rest of the scoot. Use the gentlest method first.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:28 am quote
rusteco gas tank treatment
used rusteco in the past on and old BMW /5 toaster tank, worked out quite well

http://rusteco.com/
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:50 pm quote
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Mark hooked me up with a regular fuel tap [wrench] And then he went all WWE on it with the vice and bent it into shape for the SS tank. Thanks man!!!

Gonna go ahead with the electrolysis plan. More soon(ish)

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Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:39 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Mark hooked me up with a regular fuel tap And then he went all WWE on it with the vice and bent it into shape for the SS tank. Thanks man!!!

Gonna go ahead with the electrolysis plan. More soon(ish)
I've done the electo' route on a fuel tank before and it worked out great. Your tank doesn't even look bad at all, so just about anything would quickly clean it quicker than the electro' route. But if you decide to try it, the floating residue will look like a moldy rootbeer float.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:03 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Mark hooked me up with a regular fuel tap And then he went all WWE on it with the vice and bent it into shape for the SS tank. Thanks man!!!

Gonna go ahead with the electrolysis plan. More soon(ish)
pics or it didn't happen!
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:16 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
Mark hooked me up with a regular fuel tap [wrench] And then he went all WWE on it with the vice and bent it into shape for the SS tank. Thanks man!!!

Gonna go ahead with the electrolysis plan. More soon(ish)
pics or it didn't happen!
https://images.app.goo.gl/vA8Hem2oSZWaJ8p47
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:24 pm quote
8/10

no doggos.
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Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:29 pm quote
Doggo
Random intern pic:

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Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:01 pm quote
your interns are much better than mine! or at least more supportive and cuddly!
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:25 pm quote
SoCal... Iím not in a rush, but I do wanna run the bike as is to see what needs sorting before tear down.

So, after Xmas festivities today I made the sodium carbonate and distilled water solution and attached my 12v battery charger to the anode and the tank.

Waiting to see results in the next 24 to 48.

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Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:58 pm quote
Science FTW!!

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Gas tank root-beer anyone?

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Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:09 pm quote
Seriously!

I wasnít getting a good reaction and noticed my battery charger wasnít pushing juice. I looped my p battery in for a load and then the reaction started as intended.

This is probably the mildest way to treat rust as it will not damage metal like any acid treatment would.

Will post follow ups.

Plan is to treat post electrolysis with water and soap, followed by acetone.

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Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:43 pm quote
if the top of the tank is rusted then you may need to submerge the whole thing
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:35 am quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
if the top of the tank is rusted then you may need to submerge the whole thing
The top had very little rust although it did have some strange crusty business going on that i had to clean.

Electrolysis worked a charm. Only one issue... I forgot to unplug the charger when I went to reposition the anode. Had gloves on but it touched the side of the tank and we had sparks, smoke and a brief moment of panic. Melted the jumper wires in a flash. Eeek.

Careful out there kids.

Fuel tap reinstalled and testing for leaks... off to clean the carb now.

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:47 pm quote
After cleaning the fuel system we got life on the second kick!

youtu.be/jYE1iYCyE-U

Always heard how smooth these machines were for piston ported scoots... was not disappointed!
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:27 pm quote
So sweet.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:33 pm quote
Second kick after sitting for 9 years or so? It doesn't get much better than that!!
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:41 pm quote
Hot damn.

Itís like a Christmas miracle!

Good going!

-g
Molto Verboso
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:42 pm quote
Woooohoooo! Right on!
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:58 pm quote
Listening in class certainly paid off. Nice job.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:50 pm quote
100% badass

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:57 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
After cleaning the fuel system we got life on the second kick!
Fuckin-A!
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:53 am quote
jess wrote:
Fuckin-A!
I mean!!!

So, I was just trying to prime the carb. I expected to turn it over 5 or 6 times before *really* trying to start it. I thought I heard it fire on the first kick and yarped an audible "No way!". Next kick it chugged to life like it had been eagerly waiting around for a ride. Bonafide.
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:54 pm quote
Awesome, congrats!!!
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:40 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
After cleaning the fuel system we got life on the second kick!

youtu.be/jYE1iYCyE-U

Always heard how smooth these machines were for piston ported scoots... was not disappointed!
https://youtu.be/jYE1iYCyE-U
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:52 pm quote
quick pic of the anode after the electrolysis...

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Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:56 pm quote
in other news... while hunting a gas leak with Mark today I noticed a flat spot on the rear rim.

Then ... I found a similar spot on the front rim? Weirdness. Like it hit a giant pothole or dropped off a ramp... or a flat landing of a sweet jump...

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rear rim

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front

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Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:59 pm quote
(or sat for 20-someodd years at one point with flat tires)

New rims ordered.
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:07 pm quote
Torque for days...
Got to start the New Years with a ride on a legend...
Jeff let me take the SS for a spin. WOW is all I can say.

Smooth and torquey. The rumors are all true and the reputation well earned.
Thanks for a great start to the New Year!
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:14 pm quote
poidog wrote:
Got to start the New Years with a ride on a legend...
Jeff let me take the SS for a spin. WOW is all I can say.

Smooth and torquey. The rumors are all true and the reputation well earned.
Thanks for a great start to the New Year!
Yíall a bunch of jerks.

But also, itís a good thing weíre not within striking distance. Weíd all be trouble all the time!

-g
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Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:27 pm quote
the new rims are not as nice as the originals, so don't ditch the old ones. the section where the bead sits is still round, the lip can be repaired.
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Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:58 am quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
the new rims are not as nice as the originals, so don't ditch the old ones. the section where the bead sits is still round, the lip can be repaired.
Good to know. Will try and salvage for sure.
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