A California 2-tone legend in TX (66 VSC Resto)
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Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:19 am quote
^^^


The cats at heights Welding in Houston were great. I worked with a guy named Daryl who was aces.

Turns out the area had been repaired before. Regerttably it was welded with the crack offset and to make right they used a ton of bondo.

Required more filling, feathering, and grinding than expected and a tack on the back. Still needs some dolly and hammer work to clear the original dent that caused the crack, but we are on the way now.

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D-man doing work

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(dolly and) Hammer-time!

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Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:01 pm quote
I wish I lived there, your crack repair looks so good. Can barely tell where the crack was!
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Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:28 pm quote
FridayMatinee wrote:
I wish I lived there, your crack repair looks so good. Can barely tell where the crack was!
Welder was bomber. And cheap!!! I need to bring him a case of Pearl or Lone Star.

In other happenings... I started brushing off obvious bondo spots today. Found a wee bit of divet...

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Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:55 am quote
nice job on the legshield
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Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:54 pm quote
Alright then. Another mirror hole upper right...

Looks like this scooter survived an acute case of mod battle reenactment.

Lots of bondo on the underside of the leg shield curve... (hoping the rust pitting wasn’t too bad).

Have to say... half the fun is in the discovery and the process...so excited to be digging into this one.

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Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:10 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Alright then. Another mirror hole upper right...

Looks like this scooter survived an acute case of mod battle reenactment.

Lots of bondo on the underside of the leg shield curve... (hoping the rust pitting wasn’t too bad).

Have to say... half the fun is in the discovery and the process...so excited to be digging into this one.
Looks like you need to visit your welder again.
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Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:17 pm quote
meh two pennies and some JB and you'll be set.

(kidding)

strip the rest and find all of the surprises!

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:00 pm quote
^^^^
<snorks>

Getting ready to drop the engine and took the fly wheel cover off only to find a ton of roached fins...

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:02 pm quote
Luckily this thing came with a spare!

Only issue is the spare looked like someone went full gorilla on it with a crowbar or screw driver at some point...

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:07 pm quote
After yammering with G-man and Mark. I used heat and a backer washer and some gentle work with some vice grips... Got it back to maybe 80% or normal. Test fit was good. Will test ride in the morning...

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Almost good as new

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:51 pm quote
Was this thing parked near Chandlerman's house?

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:14 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
After yammering with G-man and Mark. I used heat and a backer washer and some gentle work with some vice grips... Got it back to maybe 80% or normal. Test fit was good. Will test ride in the morning...
Nice! Pretty work!

Glad the idea worked!

Keep trucking amigo, you’re hauling ass!

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Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:56 pm quote
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Was this thing parked near Chandlerman's house?
Oh man, that's pretty funny!

And nice work BN on straightening some crowbar attempt to getting the stator out.
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Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:49 am quote
Fucking intern is a rounder...

Impossible to find good help these days, I swear.

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Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:57 am quote
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Was this thing parked near Chandlerman's house?
Yuss! “Ss180 involved in shoot out!”

That’s the story from this point forward...

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Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:20 pm quote
At least SQRL pretends to be interested...

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Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:49 pm quote
ULMA 202 SS180 for sale over on the facebooks

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VintageScooterCommunityClassifieds

$550
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Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:09 pm quote
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ULMA 202 SS180 for sale over on the facebooks

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VintageScooterCommunityClassifieds

$550
Wow.
Good lookin out!!!!

I have sourced some 44... Luckily much more affordable than the 202.

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Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:11 pm quote
Holy hernia batman...

Feels like it was filled with cement!

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Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:55 am quote
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Holy hernia batman...

Feels like it was filled with cement!
Tell me about it. I still have huge bruises on my forearms from lifting mine into the frame. Then me screaming at my wife to put the bolt in through the hole. It was not an enjoyable experience. A small frame engine feels like a paperweight in comparison.
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:00 am quote
I've been following with interest
Hope to see this baby out in the wild soon. Keep posting. Good stuff!!!
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:03 am quote
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Birdsnest wrote:
Holy hernia batman...

Feels like it was filled with cement!
Tell me about it. I still have huge bruises on my forearms from lifting mine into the frame. Then me screaming at my wife to put the bolt in through the hole. It was not an enjoyable experience. A small frame engine feels like a paperweight in comparison.
Hahahahaha!!!!! I literally have been there. The best part was Mama Bear telling me "Until you calm down I'm not helping." (This as the P engine was in mid air.)

Me -*Puts P engine on ground*
*Calmly explains..*. "I was yelling because I was straining to hold the engine in place and speaking through clenched teeth/winded/etc"

Take 2

*Lifts engine into place*
Me (through clenched teeth) - "OK. Go!"
her - (Steps away from bike) -"You're yelling again."



Seriously... I will die pinned under a car or other heavy object and my wife will be the witness and unintentional executioner because I will have *yelled*"Help". I shit you not.

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Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:13 am quote
Re: I've been following with interest
67GT125 wrote:
Hope to see this baby out in the wild soon. Keep posting. Good stuff!!!
Thanks!
Wont be ready for Hill Country, but soon I hope! With the engine out the real body work is about to get going.
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Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:29 am quote
Birdsnest wrote:
nomadinsiam wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
Holy hernia batman...

Feels like it was filled with cement!
Tell me about it. I still have huge bruises on my forearms from lifting mine into the frame. Then me screaming at my wife to put the bolt in through the hole. It was not an enjoyable experience. A small frame engine feels like a paperweight in comparison.
Hahahahaha!!!!! I literally have been there. The best part was Mama Bear telling me "Until you calm down I'm not helping." (This as the P engine was in mid air.)

Me -*Puts P engine on ground*
*Calmly explains..*. "I was yelling because I was straining to hold the engine in place and speaking through clenched teeth/winded/etc"

Take 2

*Lifts engine into place*
Me (through clenched teeth) - "OK. Go!"
her - (Steps away from bike) -"You're yelling again."



Seriously... I will die pinned under a car or other heavy object and my wife will be the witness and unintentional executioner because I will have *yelled*"Help". I shit you not.

must be a Texan woman thing, my wife is the same way. She's from Dallas. I'm half considering finding a scoot down there and storing it at her Mom's house in Austin or her Dad's house in Dallas just to have a scoot to ride when we visit.
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:13 pm quote
Thanks to Mr PoiDog
Mark came over to help me finish pulling all the bits and bobs off the frame...

Once stripped of parts I got out the grinding wheel on it.

A couple tough spots: 1. Horncast was whacked pretty well and had a masterful bondo repair done. 2. Brazed repair on the tail. Mark called it on the tail: looks like a BBQ rack was attached and it was then rear-ended or had a wheelie fail?

The tail may be able to have some dolly work done but will still need bondo... but the horncast? I think a replacement rewelded it the best call? Thoughts?

Again, gratzi Mark for your help today!

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Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:01 pm quote
It definitely needs a rhinoplasty. I’d drill out the spot welds and weld a new one in.
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:05 pm quote
Respectfully disagree, just because you can, don't mean you should sometimes. That's a PIA, and unless perfect, it could look worse. I'd try to save it with some heat and some homemade forming dies and a big husky forged C clamp. It depends how PERFECT you wanna go and how good you can weld if you replace it. I think keeping that part original adds value if it's repaired well.

If you try to fix what you have and fail, you can THEN always try replacing it with a repop piece, right? I had one similar that started out worse, and ended up 'presentable'. I'll track down some pics... You could torch it to remove that bondo, then wire brush cup wheel so we can see where the metal went. You could do that anyway, before any attempt removing to find all the welds.
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:24 pm quote
'74 50 S that was pretty well hammered.

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Viola! not too bad and minimal fiberglass filler.
You can see a few minor dents I couldn't pound out, but decided not to fill.
It's had a ruff life!

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again, the carnage

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and ready to go

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Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:31 pm quote
Hard at work
As Jeff stated today, "if it was easy, everyone would do it."

Well put, sir.

No need to thank me. Had a blast! Always fun to tinker on the scoots!

Some progress, with some revelations. All in all, everything structural is in tip-top shape. Some aesthetic work is in order (this was known from the outset), but no rust, no major pitting. Tunnel is clean. A fine, FINE specimen of a resto candidate in my book.
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Respectfully disagree, just because you can, don't mean you should sometimes. That's a PIA, and unless perfect, it could look worse. I'd try to save it with some heat and some homemade forming dies and a big husky forged C clamp. It depends how PERFECT you wanna go and how good you can weld if you replace it. I think keeping that part original adds value if it's repaired well.

If you try to fix what you have and fail, you can THEN always try replacing it with a repop piece, right? I had one similar that started out worse, and ended up 'presentable'. I'll track down some pics... You could torch it to remove that bondo, then wire brush cup wheel so we can see where the metal went. You could do that anyway, before any attempt removing to find all the welds.
I think I am on board with V oodoo's train of thought. It's kind of like scars, they all have stories that go with them.

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Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:11 pm quote
Terry,

Amazing work. Any chance you have more of the process/reclamation pics? As Mark noted today, one of the challenges is lack of space to work from inside the horncast. Would love to see some more shots (or description) of how you brought that back.

Will post more pics after media blasting for reassessment.
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Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:18 am quote
I may have more somewhere, but not much new, no pics of me doing anything. But I can offer free advice, ahem! First off bust out the propane torch and burn the bondo off that thing. just some heat and it'll soften enuff to pick and flick off w/ a putty knife and a sharp stick. No fire nor smoke required, do it and wire brush BEFORE any damn media blasting! If you do decide to replace the horncast, you'll wanna remove the old one BEFORE any blasting, I think. And only now we can see how to attack(post some pics). In addition to the tools pictured, I suggest you whip up a slide hammer with a strong hook.



Try to find two heavy washers almost as big as your horn , but small enuff to fit loosely in the repaired diameter from behind. HEAVIER the better, they can be your 'forming dies'. The offset waterpump pliers and Visegrips are useful and especially the heavy clamps. The long steel shaft can be ground rounded on end to pound on from inside. Just get started, you'll figure it out, but pics first please?



And you will need a tiny bit of filler, but the fiberglass type please? Thank you
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Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:38 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Respectfully disagree, just because you can, don't mean you should sometimes. That's a PIA, and unless perfect, it could look worse. I'd try to save it with some heat and some homemade forming dies and a big husky forged C clamp. It depends how PERFECT you wanna go and how good you can weld if you replace it. I think keeping that part original adds value if it's repaired well.

If you try to fix what you have and fail, you can THEN always try replacing it with a repop piece, right? I had one similar that started out worse, and ended up 'presentable'. I'll track down some pics... You could torch it to remove that bondo, then wire brush cup wheel so we can see where the metal went. You could do that anyway, before any attempt removing to find all the welds.
Terry, you have plenty of skills and experience with manipulating metal, so someone with your background probably wouldn’t have too much trouble straightening out anything on a Vespa! For someone with less skills, I could see it being a frustrating endeavor. But you bring up a good point, “ If you try to fix what you have and fail, you can THEN always try replacing it with a repop piece”
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Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:02 pm quote
The horncast is pretty bad!

That's fairly easy to replace. It's just the bottom part here and a few spot welds.

https://www.scooter-center.com/en/repair-horn-cover-oem-quality-oe-horn-75mm-vespa-rally180-vsd1t-rally200-vse1t-sprint150-vlb1t-sprint-veloce-gtr125-vnl2t-ts-6-face-piaggio-logo-7673930?number=7673930

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Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:25 pm quote
Uncle!
I do see it is the easier lower part now.

But at least lets torch this mother and see where the metal went? Make it easier to remove anyway. 15 minutes, 50 cents worth of propane, safety goggles and mittens on? WCGW? Who knows, far side looks OK and OP may even have latent untapped talents. I sure didn't know how before I fixed mine.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:49 am quote
I don't enjoy pounding my own tin either . If its just a few spot welds and you can get a new one tacked back on straight I'd be going that route also. With that said, no harm in cleaning it up to see what you have and trying to straighten it out a bit. Worst thing you are going to end up doing is replacing it.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:12 am quote
Another vote for torching the bondo off, but only for science’s sake. That horn piece looks pretty smashed in. It’s not going to easy to resculpt the metal. I think your best bet is welding a new one on.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:37 am quote
Sorry sorry. Icepocalypse down here in Texas... err *gridpocalypse*? A case study in poor infrastructure planning writ cold and large any way you cut the shit sandwich (Ice-scream sandwich?).

No chance to work on the SS as the garage is currently a greenhouse for all potted plants. I hope to get back out there this weekend if possible. Will for sure torch off the bondo just to have a look-see... but my mud skillz are minimal, so having the lower welded is definitely a plan. I do need to get into the upper horncast too to see what the state of things are there.

I will update as I can. I appreciate all the thoughts and suggestions.

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Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:47 am quote
spot weld cutters are a thing and they are not expensive. they do a much nicer job of removal if/when that time comes.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:26 pm quote
being from the north it's amazing to me that it's 9º in Texas but will be close to 70 in 7 days. That makes no sense to my it's 20-40º everyday for half a year brain.
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Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:47 pm quote
Miss-posted - should have gone in garage show off.
Since it's a two piece horn cast - I would be tempted to remove all bondo - then remove horn cast with spot weld remover.
It comes in a spray can.
🙂

https://garage.eastwood.com/eastwood-chatter/5-easy-ways-to-remove-spot-welds/

https://garage.eastwood.com/eastwood-chatter/5-easy-ways-to-remove-spot-welds/

Pour some bailies in your coffee and google - how to remove spot weld.
Highly enjoyable.

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