A California 2-tone legend in TX (66 VSC Resto)
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:03 pm quote
Hereís a carrot to inspire...

This owners manual came to me recently, including the US market electrical diagram. Free to a bike worthy of it.

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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:08 pm quote
You know you wanna

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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:25 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
You know you wanna
Lol!
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:10 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Hereís a carrot to inspire...

This owners manual came to me recently, including the US market electrical diagram. Free to a bike worthy of it.
Tasty bits!
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:14 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
You know you wanna
Dis mai face.



Hard vote for solid color, creamsicle is meh on this one.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:37 am quote
Ned... a thing beauty. Gotta love that the unicorn has a matching Swingline.
I could never spell beauty consistently though... however, I've never messed up Red.

Patrick - *drooling* ...that's quite a carrot.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:06 am quote
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Dis mai face.



Hard vote for solid color, creamsicle is meh on this one.
Now you guys know I like my bodge beauty.
But my suggestion was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Even I wouldn't paint a legend like this in two tone!
Man's got his standards.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:13 pm quote
...got 44 problems but original trim ainít one.

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:29 pm quote
Question for the old guard.

Did all the og headlight bezels have the siem stamp? Or was that only certain years? Or...?

The reason I ask I have 2 bezels neither is stamped. One is heavier gauge while the other is thin and a bit more flimsy. Both are pitted and pretty rough. But, if that thicker one is Original I am happy to roll with it.

Thoughts?
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:56 pm quote
The OG bezel on my GL has a Siem stamp.

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:52 pm quote
Here is my original SS180 headlight ring. The originals are Siem stamped with brass under a quality chrome plating. The reproductions are steel with, well, questionable chrome plating. Even some of the reproductions have the Siem stamp.

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:06 pm quote
The deep red IS lovely, may we see the whole bike?

Props to BN & PD for saving the horncast, it's looking quite lovely now too. And that shiny SS leggy trim is just killer.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:54 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
The deep red IS lovely, may we see the whole bike?
I believe this is the whole bike.

A red VSC1T

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
I was going to wait to post an update on the horn until the repair was complete... but I am now off down another rabbit hole, so I figured a quick update was worthwhile...
First and foremost - thanks to everyone who advocated for backers and braze. It worked better than anticipated and Terry's nail idea was a real gem.
Next - Mark gets the kudos for his steady hand with the torch... he was better at it than me by a mile!

Learning curve 1. Heat.
Propane is not hot enough. You will need Map gas at least..
Even with Map I was still having big issues and finally found that you really need to have a high heat tip. The benzomatic general purpose tips you buy at Lowes or Home depot just struggle to get you up to the proper temps. I ended up buying this tip from Amazon and it worked a treat:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081F82B67/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Learning Curve 2. Practice.
I still need a ton. I brazed 4 or 5 holes on the horncast in about 45 minutes. (And they were the easy ones) Mark stepped in and did the rest (and the more complicated ones) in about 15 minutes. I need way more practice obviously.


Process.
As mentioned Terry's idea about nails as backers was the winner. Mark thought tacking them in place instead of holding them in place while brazing was the best path forward and brought over his welder. Ace idea.
After all the nails were in place, I took a cut off wheel and reduced the stab factor of nails. (A. Clearly we have established I am accident prone. B. Easier to work around).

We then brzaed.
Then, took a flap wheel and a dremel and ground things down.

Sunday I went back and tried to close up some of the bigger pinholes.
This is a challenge as you obviously melt the brass again and can make matters worse... Luckily I was successful on the horncast. I was less successful on the tail area. But... that's another post...

It still needs some final dolly and hammer work and a touch of mud in a spot or two, but 95% sure we will keep the horn OG.
🤣

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-NOS-Horn-Cover-SS180-VLA-VLB-Rally/363338414754?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D81b860a43747495994c5be20caf479ec%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D363338442163%26itm%3D363338414754%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Afaff7616-91eb-11eb-8d79-929793423970%7Cparentrq%3A87030ef91780a4b4f31957a3ffff4644%7Ciid%3A1
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:02 am quote
markosmarkos wrote:
V oodoo wrote:
The deep red IS lovely, may we see the whole bike?
I believe this is the whole bike.

A red VSC1T
That be the one.
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:56 am quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
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http$$$://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-NOS-Horn-Cover-SS180-VLA-VLB-......
Nice find. Wouldn't trade the experience though... and I suspect the final price on that will be north of $100.00


(PS - gonna pinch a copy of your bezel pic for a wtb advert. Let me know if that's not cool. TIA)
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:18 am quote
Birdsnest wrote:
nomadinsiam wrote:
🤣

http$$$://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-NOS-Horn-Cover-SS180-VLA-VLB-......
Nice find. Wouldn't trade the experience though... and I suspect the final price on that will be north of $100.00


(PS - gonna pinch a copy of your bezel pic for a wtb advert. Let me know if that's not cool. TIA)
I get 20% of the first million in revenue. Iíll take my share in deep red Tiddlywinks.

Itís odd how the paint looks out of place and not the old worn bezel.
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:12 pm quote
This just might work out OK after all...
You got some nice white authentic Italian grips yet?

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Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:06 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
This just might work out OK after all...
You got some nice white authentic Italian grips yet?
negative charlie brown... need to aquire.

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Anyone know if the Cuppini grub screws for cuppini trim will work with Ulma 44?
Alternately anyone have a source for the proper brass grubs?
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:35 am quote
Here are originals.

https://www.maskesvespaparts.com/Webwinkel-Product-33492005/Screws-for-legshield-trim.html

Pretty sure Bar Italia has some too.
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:48 am quote
when you get those screws, wrap them in some brown paper and tie it with some unwaxed dental floss and then slip that packet into the end of the trim.

Then you can do a "NOS" unwrapping picture.
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:17 pm quote
unwaxed floss.... lolz

Fitment Friday - making sure the "gently used" Mercur floor rails will do the trick...

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Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:55 pm quote
<3 RIP First Kick.
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<3 RIP First Kick.
Never heard a bad word about them.

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Updates from the field...

Was able to spend a few nickels and win that OG horncast from eBay. Thanks for posting that Nomad! Yay.

Spent some time trying to lightly sand the damaged one on the scoot and ID where the welds are. This is proving to be more difficult than expected as I havenít been able to sand evenly enough for the spot welds to show themselves. Shy little bastards. I can feel 2 or 3 of them on the right side, but I canít feel any on the left curiously. Plan for now will be to approximate the location of the left side tac welds based on the right side. If anyone else has a better idea please do share.
TIA!


In other happenings, while doing some engine cleaning we found some wear issues and what nots.

Cam and some tiny spacer that sit on the flyside crankshaft under the stator are both cracked. Woodruff hole looks a bit bedraggled and there was no woodruff key. (Could have flopped out on the work bench but itís not yet been located.)
Then, while laying the engine on its side... the spindle bush and selector spindle just dropped out of the drive shaft onto the table!
I screwed them back in and spun through the gears OK but... a bit confused to see that happen at all.

More soon(ish)

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Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:58 am quote
The thin spacer ring (that sits under the ignition cam) should have a split in it. The ignition cam is readily available as a reproduction part. It has the word ďesternoĒ something or other stamped on the outside.
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