HPE Supertech 2019 different style air filter (Asia/Pacific)
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Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:49 am quote
Burt37 wrote:
Attila wrote:
Ma ora si vogliono fare facili profitti a bassi costi, per non parlare di Fiat,Alfa Romeo e Lancia ( io compro solo Fiat) che hanno lo stesso problema.
Ma ero dell'impressione che Alfa Romeo e Lancia fossero sotto lo stesso cappello della Fiat..

Are they really that bad these days?
Alfa and Lancia are in the same Fiat group which is now joined to the Peugeot group under the new Stellantis brand; the commercial strategy has made Alfa Romeo a manufacturer of large displacement and power cars with few models.
Lancia currently only produces one luxury city car: Ypsilon.
Fiat has 500, Panda, Tipo, DoblÚ, Qubo, 500 L, 500 X and many commercial vehicles in its catalog.

PS: where are you from exactly?
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Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:30 pm quote
Burt37 wrote:
Yes that's the one.. No need to cut anything other than a ziptie if memory serve me well.. Take your time, and you will see how easy it is to remove. That will allow a slight marginal better airflow to the filter..


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Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:44 pm quote
steelbytes wrote:
Burt37 wrote:
Yes that's the one.. No need to cut anything other than a ziptie if memory serve me well.. Take your time, and you will see how easy it is to remove. That will allow a slight marginal better airflow to the filter..
Yep, I did cut the ziptie (that I then had to replace off course). I removed the outside to have a better look of how the two interlock with each other.
Like I said, is not much of an improvement per se. Just a slight better direct airflow to the air filter.. If you don't like it, you can always put it back on..

Thinking back now, you probably don't even need to remove the outside ziptie as the inner snorkel it just has a lip to hold it in place..

Ok I went to find the piece in the bin. Yes it is just a little lip holding it in place..

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Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:00 pm quote
Burt37 wrote:
Yep, I did cut the ziptie (that I then had to replace off course). I removed the outside to have a better look of how the two interlock with each other.
Thinking back now, you probably don't even need to remove the outside ziptie as the inner snorkel it just has a lip to hold it in place..
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Same lol
Filter in this pic is original after mechanic blew it clean.
Also for others looking at these pics, the lengthwise ridge on the pipe is only on one side which is why it looks different in the photos

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Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:27 pm quote
steelbytes wrote:
Same lol
Filter in this pic is original after mechanic blew it clean.
Also for others looking at these pics, the lengthwise ridge on the pipe is only on one side which is why it looks different in the photos
You didn't check the weight of the new filter before replacing it by any chance?

Not that really matter, because we are not talking about $250 air filters here, but still, it would be nice to know how much does that air filter has to work..

You also never mentioned the mileage of the filter in your first post..
I'm guessing closed to 10k?
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Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:33 pm quote
Burt37 wrote:
steelbytes wrote:
Same lol
Filter in this pic is original after mechanic blew it clean.
Also for others looking at these pics, the lengthwise ridge on the pipe is only on one side which is why it looks different in the photos
You didn't check the weight of the new filter before replacing it by any chance?

Not that really matter, because we are not talking about $250 air filters here, but still, it would be nice to know how much does that air filter has to work..

You also never mentioned the mileage of the filter in your first post..
I'm guessing closed to 10k?
Since i bought two new and haven't yet disposed of the old and can compare but don't possess any scales (just bathroom, no kitchen).

First pic on thread was 6800km / 14 months. Probably 300kms on gravel this summer, essentially none prior.
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Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:52 pm quote
steelbytes wrote:
Since i bought two new and haven't yet disposed of the old and can compare but don't possess any scales (just bathroom, no kitchen).

First pic on thread was 6800km / 14 months. Probably 300kms on gravel this summer, essentially none prior.
Yes, the bathroom scale won't work well. We are talking about grams here not kg..

6800 km only is not as I would expect to find a filter that black..

Perhaps this time, try to remove the excess oil from the air box by removing the nipple n.6 from time to time. I do it once a month and there is always a bit of oil coming out, not too much, but enough to possibly jump on the air filter and make a mess of it.. See if that helps..
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Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:28 pm quote
Burt37 wrote:
Yes, the bathroom scale won't work well. We are talking about grams here not kg..

Perhaps this time, try to remove the excess oil from the air box by removing the nipple n.6 from time to time. I do it once a month and there is always a bit of oil coming out, not too much, but enough to possibly jump on the air filter and make a mess of it.. See if that helps..
Bought some cheap scales, 2-3g difference. Would have been interesting to weight the original a few weeks ago

The nipple looks perfectly empty/clean from the outside (unlike on my old gts which would often have oil)
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:03 am quote
Burt37 wrote:
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Think i noticed a different / new sound when coming off the throttle as i drift up to the lights. Maybe hearing the change from removing the internal snorkel thing (feel i need a better name), hmm.
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Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:04 pm quote
Burt37 wrote:
Also, I think you had the right idea of making a pre-filter (paper,foam) and putting it at the entrance of the airfilter near the seat hinge. That would allow you for a much quicker and simpler maintenance instead of having to open the airbox all the times... I may do the same on mine.. Is not a bad idea at all.. Just nothing too thick to compromise the airflow..
here's the extra filter after 45km of gravel

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Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:19 pm quote
suspect the dust is coming up out of the engine bay via the hole in the first pic (was crazy dirty before I cleaned it before the pic). The engine bay gets crazy dirty

so did a mod ...

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tape + door seal

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with snorkle

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all back together

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Sand and abrasive powders are deadly even for special vehicles designed for those uses but for a city vehicle they are bad think.
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