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Molto Verboso
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:03 pm quote
If it works it could be beneficial to some people in Urban settings.

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Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:34 am quote
Looks
Looks pretty cool. Smiilar performance to my electric bicycle, but I assume, without pedals this is considered a motorcycle, which puts you into license, registration, insurance, helmet laws, and rider license as well. And I'm sure you'd get hassled trying to ride it on bicycle trails.

The trend on e-bikes seems to be towards a moped or minibike style, with longer seats and fatter tires. I particularly chose one that looks like a bicycle, as I intend to explore some of the urban and rural bike trails. Nice to have the option of pedaling if you get a little too optimistic on the range, too.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:10 am quote
Not enough there for me....
I use my scooter in the city...but 32mph top doesn’t quite do it for me. If it could do 45 that might be worth looking at, even at a higher price.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:25 pm quote
Yeah, 32mph is a non-starter for me. I think scooters like the 50cc ones and this electric that can't go above 35mph are dangerous, especially in urban and city settings. If you are ON THE ROAD you should be able to move AT THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC. And, at least in my area, there are very few roads now-a-days where people go 35mph or less (even though that may be the posted speed). If you're gonna be on the road (as opposed to bicycles and e-bikes that are on the SIDE of the road), you need to be able to keep up with traffic or you are a hazard to yourself and to the other drivers, in my opinion.

Anyone know the speed range of the Electric Vespa? Can't find the specs right now...

-Dan
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 am quote
dchernikoff wrote:
Yeah, 32mph is a non-starter for me. I think scooters like the 50cc ones and this electric that can't go above 35mph are dangerous, especially in urban and city settings. If you are ON THE ROAD you should be able to move AT THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC. And, at least in my area, there are very few roads now-a-days where people go 35mph or less (even though that may be the posted speed). If you're gonna be on the road (as opposed to bicycles and e-bikes that are on the SIDE of the road), you need to be able to keep up with traffic or you are a hazard to yourself and to the other drivers, in my opinion.

Anyone know the speed range of the Electric Vespa? Can't find the specs right now...

-Dan
During the last year, in Europe there has been a lot of discussion and also some movement towards very low speed limits within city areas. Nowadays 50 kmh (~31 mph) is still very common, but now many cities are going to 30 kmh (~19 mph). Paris being the largest one with this initiative.

In Finland we have had 40kmh (~25 mph) for some time already especially in the city centers, 50kmh in smaller towns. The trend in here is also towards 30kmh. A big factor here is to favour pedestrian and light traffic, including e-bikes and such.

The closest city to me went to 30kmh limits the last year. At first it felt a bit weird to drive car / ride a motorcycle that slow - but I'll have to agree that it gives driver/rider a lot of time to observe and react and also syncronizes one better with the pedestrians. Now it already feels natural😊
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:01 am quote
I can help you with the real performance of the Vespa Elettrica 70:



42,4 mp/h.

Or order a conversion kit (horror) of a classic Vespa:

https://www.motoveloci.it/retrokit
Molto Verboso
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:25 am quote
I lived in Brooklyn for six years and I can tell you that in that environment 35 mph is more than adequate on most of the surface roads. I used to pass cars on my bicycle. Manhattan was even worse for cars. If I remember my numbers there are over 100,000 bicycles a day in the City. Now there are even more ebikes, escooters and 50cc scooters running around. Big spread out cities might not be compatible but older dense cities will be humming soon with electric motors.
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:34 am quote
Kinda
Kinda depends on whether traffic is moving, or stopped. On the main roads, with 35 MPH limits, traffic is moving around 50 MPH. My 150 scooter can just stay ahead in those circumstances.

But, except for rush-hour, many secondary roads have little to no traffic. If you pick your route carefully, 30 MPH is plenty. Just stay off of the main drags.

Nice thing about the e-bike, as opposed to a scooter, is that we have a fair network of bike-designated streets and bike lanes. So you can be pretty well isolated from traffic. In those situations, 28 MPH is probably a little fast if there is significant bicycle traffic, particularly in hilly areas, as bikers without e-boost are going a whole lot slower than that.
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:02 pm quote
Bicycle Lanes Urban Minneapolis
The City Planners in Minneapolis have designated so many bicycle lanes
it is really jamming up regular auto traffic.

Could this electric scoot be allowed on these bicycle designated lanes and could you also park on the side walk?

I still struggle with some of these super nice small scoots and all electric
scoots because I weight 200 pounds. Further, in my town, if you want
to go anywhere other than the core city you really need freeway capable
scoots. That is why the Vespa 300 was so special. Also, the city of Minneapolis has not really favored scooter parking areas.

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Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:18 am quote
At the least
At the vary least, I'm guessing bicycle riders would be unhappy sharing the lane with a scooter. And since most trails are shared with pedestrians, almost certainly the scooter would get comments there. Since it doesn't have pedals, gonna be tough to convince a law enforcement officer that it is even a moped, much less a bicycle. I'm guessing there will be additional legislation down the road, as electric vehicles become more common, defining where the various electric bicycles, scooters, and mo-peds land. I'm pretty sure this scooter, with no pedals, is going to be considered a motorcycle, with everything that goes along with that. Locally, if it doesn't have pedals, you need a motorcycle license, it needs to be registered and insured, and you need to wear a helmet.

Yeah, not unifomly impressed with bike lanes either. At one particular intersection, reduced to one car lane each way, where it was previously two. With turning traffic during rush hour, it really backs up, and I don't recollect ever seeing anyone riding a bicycle in the bike lane at that location.

But they are there, may as well take advantage of them. Went for a ride yesterday on the bicycle, mostly bike lanes and trails. While it is technically illegal to ride on sidewalks, rarely if ever enforced, so was able to take some shortcuts around streeet closures. No one cares if you are on a bicycle, might be a problem on a scooter.
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Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:37 pm quote
In London you can see it mostly 20mph and 30mph roads.

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Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:25 pm quote
On the other hand, if you really want to reduce your carbon footprint, and cut your tire costs in half, one of these might better fit the bill. I like the one on top.

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Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:04 am quote
Oddly enough
In my youth, I learned to ride a unicycle on a bet. I'm sure I can't now.

I want to see someone try emergency braking on one. And not the kind where you know ahead of time when and where.
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