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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:51 am quote
I picked up a GL frame this morning. It doesnít have a motor, (or a title!) but itís in pretty good shape, no rust or dents. Itís missing the front fender, the fork and the headset are there though. But itís an awful color. It actually looks like someone had it painted and never put it back together. Looks like it used to be white.
So Iím in the market for a motor, if anyone has something decent, Iíd be interested!
I have a line on an LML motor from a Stella for $400, Iíd have to rebuild it, but I enjoy doing that.
Also not sure whether to try to remove the red paint back to the original white or have it painted or just leave it.
Pretty stoked to get back to work on another project!

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'81 Special, '81 P150X, '13 LML Star 200
Joined: 30 Nov 2018
Posts: 83
Location: Ukraine
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:52 pm quote
Nice pick up! keep posting
Hooked
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Posts: 365

Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:18 pm quote
Sweet score. I love the GL. I think you should roll with the red for at least a couple seasons and see how you like it. I bet it will shine up really nicely. Is it just spray paint?

Finding an original fender for a GL is gonna be tough, though Mercado has a repro:

http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Fenders/94731_2
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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:05 pm quote
Making a list of parts, Iíve got a p200 carb laying around. Gas tank looks good, the seat is okay. I know Iíll be putting tubeless rims and tires on. Brakes, front suspension, shocks. Thereís no speedo, the headset is still white. Thereís no headlight. Center stand looks okay. Front fender. The floor rails look good, Iím curious about the rear light, or whatís left of it. Is it usable. Thereís also a plastic repop rear light.

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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:06 pm quote
Tank and headset

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Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:22 pm quote
No rust, I think this scooter was stored indoors. Rear shock looks newer.

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bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5743
Location: So Cal
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:02 pm quote
Wow, nice find.

Iíd see if I could get the red off. Itís going to be a lot of work, but if the paint underneath is good, itíll be worth it. Donít forget the swing arm and hub ... both were painted white on GLs.

Nice that you have the trap headset and cowls!

Decent quality repop headlights are available.

It looks like youíre missing part of the original tail light. Not sure thatís usable.

Good luck, itíll be a fun project.
Ossessionato
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: 26 Jan 2019
Posts: 2179
Location: california
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:12 pm quote
All the makings of a great find.
So much more enjoyable watching fellow scooterist find an old scoot and bring it back to life rather than doom scrolling no the internet.
Count me in.
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1532
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:12 am quote
Question on the paint, did the painter remove the trim before painting or can you see tape.lines.around everything? If you can see tape lines fix it before assembly, if not do what you want.
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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:35 am quote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Question on the paint, did the painter remove the trim before painting or can you see tape.lines.around everything? If you can see tape lines fix it before assembly, if not do what you want.
The trim must have been removed before paint. There are no tape lines. Whoever painted it knew what they were doing. Legshield trim and floor rails look really good, although the rubber has popped out on one of them. No paint on the wiring harness.
Iím going to remove the spare tire and clean up the frame tomorrow. Iíll try removing some of the red paint behind the engine side cowl just to see how hard it is to remove and what the white paint underneath looks like.

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VNB VSC VBC VSX
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Location: Hustletown, TX
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:44 am quote
cool score!
Looking forward to your work.
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 pm quote
I took off the cowls and the floor rails today, and cleaned things up a bit so I can see what Iím dealing with. There is some rust on the floorboards, just in a few spots, not too bad. I think I can reuse the floor rails. The floor rail caps were held on with small screws and nuts. I used a sharpened chisel to knock off the ends of the rivets, in the middle of the floor rails, which worked well and was a lot easier than drilling them out.
Did GLs have a battery? Thereís no tray.
I may have a line on a P200 lump, Iíll find out tomorrow.

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Tunnel looks good

Hooked
79p200e 66smallstate 85pk50xl 84p125ets 63GL
Joined: 24 Nov 2016
Posts: 275
Location: Flatness, TX
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:54 pm quote
Looks great! Nice find.

Some GLs had a battery. Looks like yours may have had one and it looks to have been cut/ground off. I can see the outline of it on the picture of the left side.
Addicted
1981 P200E / 1979 P200E / 1974 Rally 200
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
Posts: 543
Location: San Francisco, CA
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:19 pm quote
Super clean. It's straight enough to powder coat.
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:37 am quote
Picked up a p200 motor this morning, time to make a parts list!

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Ossessionato
2015 GTS300, 1974 Primavera, 04 Ninja 250
Joined: 04 Apr 2013
Posts: 4598
Location: San Diego, CA
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:49 am quote
and now it's on for real

going to be fun to watch!
Hooked
P125x (4KW Hub Motor)
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 371
Location: Alexandria, VA
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:04 am quote
Looks like a perfect candidate for an electric conversion!
First Scooter, not my first project. (Now going electric!)
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:21 am quote
[quote="JimVonBaden"]Looks like a perfect candidate for an electric conversion!
First Scooter, not my first project. (Now going electric!)[/quote
Iíve been following your thread, and I think ďelectric conversion ď is a great idea, maybe next time!
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VNB VSC VBC VSX
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Location: Hustletown, TX
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:35 am quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
Picked up a p200 motor this morning, time to make a parts list!
Damn. That was quick!
Ossessionato
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2067
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:42 am quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
Picked up a p200 motor this morning, time to make a parts list!
Wow, they have them in the back room at AutoZone? Very nice!

The body looks fantastic, and I'm surprised how good the tunnel looks. Looking forward to watching you get this on the road VP!
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 5743
Location: So Cal
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:50 am quote
All righty then... letís get busy
Hooked
1977 Super 150 (PT Danmotor), '64 VBBs, a few old motorcycles
Joined: 01 Apr 2017
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Location: Western Mass., USA
Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:09 pm quote
I kind of am digging the red
I know it's not perfect, but the color tone is nice. It's similar to the original red v90 frame that's awaiting my attention... Good find vpfalcon!

And congrats on the P200 motor -- those things are fast compared to the old 150s. Especially with a good top end
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 654
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:00 pm quote
Re: I kind of am digging the red
zachyzach wrote:
I know it's not perfect, but the color tone is nice. It's similar to the original red v90 frame that's awaiting my attention... Good find vpfalcon!
And congrats on the P200 motor -- those things are fast compared to the old 150s. Especially with a good top end
I spent 2 days cleaning up the scooter and attempted to remove some of the red paint under the glovebox cowl. The red paint is adhering to the white, so I donít think thatís going to work. The white paint was probably sanded before it was painted red.
So I may leave the red as is, and try to color match and paint the new mudguard, (when I get it) and also the headset, which is still white.
The other option is to have it stripped and repainted, and I donít know how to paint!
Iím planning to open the motor up in the next few days to look at the piston, the cylinder, and the crank.
Parts list..so far.
Tubeless tires and rims
Shocks
Bearings, and parts for the front suspension
Headlight, grips, and other parts for the handlebars
Speedometer
Wiring loom
Cables
Brake shoes
Rear light
Exhaust
Motor bushes
Bearings and seals for the motor
Mudguard and trim
Clutch rebuild kit
Floormat and floor rail rubber

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Thereís a weld.

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66 bluebadge,primavera,2x 74 rally,79 p200e 64 gl 2x 64 vbb 2x ld 57 ld 125
Joined: 08 Dec 2014
Posts: 31

Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:39 pm quote
Nice Project!
Consider the up-rated spring and damper for the front end, they made a big difference on my rally.(reducing front end dive under braking)
You may also want dry fit the motor, I'm not sure on a GL, but that tall carb cover may need some fettling.
Looking forward to your progress!
Molto Verboso
Vespa
Joined: 19 Jun 2007
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Location: California
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:42 am quote
Cool scoot and paint.
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:38 am quote
Motor looks good
I took the p200 motor apart today and it looks good so far. The crank is a Mazzucchelli and it seems like new.
I was told that this motor came out of a wrecked Vespa and that it was rebuilt by a guy in Cleveland. I donít think the motor got a whole lot of miles since the rebuild.
The cylinder looks stock, it has some marks but feels smooth, piston and rings look okay. Cush drive doesnít make any sounds when I shake it.
So I think Iíll order the bearings/seals, clutch rebuild and hope it has good compression!

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My helpers!

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Only one spacer and itís a thick one.

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2015 GTS300, 1974 Primavera, 04 Ninja 250
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Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:14 pm quote
why not go ahead and measure ring gap and piston to bore? easy to get a poor man's check in while it is apart. for that matter, why not put in new rings just to do it? cheap insurance.
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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:15 pm quote
Ring gap is 0.25 mm for top ring, and 0.33 mm for bottom ring. I will check on ordering new rings.
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VNB VSC VBC VSX
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Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:19 pm quote
...wait wait wait...who are the little dudes? Interns? Hooligans?

Too damn cute.

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2015 GTS300, 1974 Primavera, 04 Ninja 250
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Location: San Diego, CA
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:06 pm quote
The ball hones for these are pretty cheap too if you feel adventurous. I covered doing that in my un building the p200 thread.
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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:08 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
...wait wait wait... who are the little dudes? Interns? Hooligans?

Too damn cute.
Tulip and Tinker, our little 8 year old Yorkie mix. Tulip goes for scooter rides!
Thatís the closest Iíll ever get to 2 up.

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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:38 am quote
Front suspension
I dismantled the the front suspension last night and this morning. I will clean everything up and replace the bearings and paint. The lower bearing race was mangled pretty badly by the previous owner. I guess Iíll try to hit with a chisel of some kind to get it off.
In the video I used as a how-to, the guy drilled out the rivets and removed the dust cover on the suspension arm. I think Iím going to leave mine in place and try to clean it.
Also sent in the paperwork to Vermont DMV.

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1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
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Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:14 pm quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
Tulip goes for scooter rides!
Thatís the closest Iíll ever get to 2 up.
Me too on the 2 up...

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1963 VBB2T
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Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 pm quote
Nice find and finding the motor that quick.
Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:50 am quote
Lynnb wrote:
Nice find and finding the motor that quick.
Thanks Lynnb!
Iíve been working on cleaning up parts for paint the past two days. So far Iíve done the headset and the front fork. I used a wire wheel on a drill for the headset, snagged my shirt at one point!
Iíve ordered parts too.
Iím not sure what color to paint headset and the mudguard. I guess Iíll leave the scooter body red, but I canít find a place that will make a matching color paint in a rattle can.
Iím considering painting them off white, which is the GL color.

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Hooked
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:16 am quote
Try Sherwin Williams Automotive Finishes. They will put a single stage paint in a spray can and match. Looks like there are a couple in your neck of the woods.
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86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
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Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:38 pm quote
gmontag wrote:
Try Sherwin Williams Automotive Finishes. They will put a single stage paint in a spray can and match. Looks like there are a couple in your neck of the woods.
I called them and they hooked me up with 2 cans of matching paint! Thanks gmontag.
I took the glove side cowl with me to the paint supplier and noticed 3 holes that have been drilled through the cowl. (Probably for a battery). I want to fill them.
Any advice on how to fill them?

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Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:33 pm quote
I do not understand why you would drill the cowl and attach a battery like that. That makes no sense!



Nice to know about Sherwin Williams though I got one near by I could grab some touch up paint
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Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:51 pm quote
Foot rest
I believe those holes might have been for a foot rest for rear-passenger side saddle riding.
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79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
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Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:54 pm quote
Re: Foot rest
markosmarkos wrote:
I believe those holes might have been for a foot rest for rear-passenger side saddle riding.
+1
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