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Molto Verboso
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![]() Here in Melbourne Australia we are allowed to do lane filtering but not splitting.
Filtering is essentially passing through stopped or slowly moving traffic, typically at traffic lights. (Slow = less than 30kph/20mph) Splitting is through traffic moving at faster speeds and seems stupidly dangerous. |
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![]() znomit wrote: Montana has traffic? Who knew? ![]() ![]() Billings, the capital AND largest city, has 110,000 souls on a busy weekend. |
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![]() Shouldn't be a problem - unless all 3 of them end up on the same stretch of road.
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![]() They are trying to pass it here in Oregon again. SB574 would allow people to split when congested and such but not allow splitting such as California does. I spent 10 years in California riding and was struck twice while lane splitting. I do not think the roads and infrastructure are setup for splitting here in Oregon, to narrow. Plus it would take cagers forever here to catch on...
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![]() fledermaus wrote: Billings, the capital AND largest city, has 110,000 souls on a busy weekend. There was never any reason to split lanes in Montana. Not enough lanes and not enough traffic. |
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![]() We have legal filtering - but some cagers don't know it and actively try to narrow the gap so you can't pass...
![]() I must say that on the scoot I find most drivers actually actively make space for me. Yes I do wave "Thank you!" Lane splitting we do with bikes all the time when riding in a group - either standing two abreast at the lights or staggered when in motion. The Western Cape Provincial Transport MEC (Secretary) was pushing to ban both, but a ride slow protest by bikers one to a lane showed how one bike could occupy as much space as a cage and the idea was dropped... for now. He still hates both. Filtering to me means slipping between stationary or slow moving traffic at 10-20kmh faster than the traffic (a brisk walking pace). Out here, the superbikers are a real menace. To them, filtering is ripping down between the two rows of cars at 100km/h or more! Perhaps that is why, whenever we see a fatal freeway bike accident, 9/10 times it is a superbike. I potter along in the slow lane, merging into the second lane well ahead of slow vehicles and returning as rapidly as conditions permit. On very rare occasions I have had to pass a string of slow vehicles on the emergency lane side of the slow lane - theoretically filtering, not overtaking. |
![]() Fudmucker wrote: Filtering to me means slipping between stationary or slow moving traffic at 10-20kmh faster than the traffic (a brisk walking pace). This law is specifically about filtering, but they're used interchangeably so often that I was intentionally imprecise in the title. (Filtering's also the most useful. I can't imagine splitting if traffic is moving at a reasonable pace. The rule of thumb here is never go more than 15mph above traffic, or 35mph total.) ![]() Splitting is famously tolerated here in California, but has been ambiguously treated by the law. I didn't realize until I started investigating Montana's status that the same ambiguity holds true for a dozen other states. I wonder what would happen in practice if you split in one of these states, and how easy it would be to nail you for something else instead, like passing on the right. Fudmucker wrote: On very rare occasions I have had to pass a string of slow vehicles on the emergency lane side of the slow lane - theoretically filtering, not overtaking. |
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![]() pokeyjoe wrote: fledermaus wrote: Billings, the capital AND largest city, has 110,000 souls on a busy weekend. There was never any reason to split lanes in Montana. Not enough lanes and not enough traffic. ![]() |
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![]() IMHO
Florida could surpass Ca. in PTW ownership if we adopted Filtering and other privileges (parking, toll free travel etc.). |
![]() breaknwind wrote: IMHO Florida could surpass Ca. in PTW ownership if we adopted Filtering and other privileges (parking, toll free travel etc.). |
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![]() mayorofnow wrote: breaknwind wrote: IMHO Florida could surpass Ca. in PTW ownership if we adopted Filtering and other privileges (parking, toll free travel etc.). The bridges thing is a bummer, granted, especially for those who have to commute into the City. Another CA thing that's a PITA is the foreskin on the gas pump nozzles. ![]() |
![]() I think we in the U.S. are way behind in terms of how we conduct ourselves on the road with PTW's and therefore laws have not changed. Most of the other places PTW's are far more prevalent and therefore cagers are comfortable and laws there that work for PTW riders.
In the U.S. few folks use a PTW as their primary mode of transport therefore it isnt easy to get societal buy in to make changes whether it is traffic related or revenue related i.e. tolls or road tax. In NY state one pays $42.50 a year for registration. You pay the same price at parking meters as you would for a caged vehicle. Maybe with more electric bicycles getting deployed maybe we shall see. |
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![]() mayorofnow wrote: breaknwind wrote: IMHO Florida could surpass Ca. in PTW ownership if we adopted Filtering and other privileges (parking, toll free travel etc.). Last year, I went to the Cycle Gear store in Gilroy. A CHP MC officer was just sitting at a table outside the door. He volunteered to answer rider questions. He said it's likely we'll see some restrictions on lane splitting in the coming years such as no faster than 10 mph above the car travel speed. He also told me that, by far, the best lanes to split on the freeway are the two left-most lanes. More accidents happen in the other lanes because sometimes people panic to get to an exit off ramp and don't look carefully for MC traffic that might be lane splitting. Be careful!! Miguel |
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![]() Miguel wrote: And I don't think I've ever seen free MC parking in a pay parking lot or street parking in my area including Silicon Valley. ![]() |
![]() baba12 wrote: In NY state one pays $42.50 a year for registration. Miguel wrote: And I don't think I've ever seen free MC parking in a pay parking lot or street parking in my area including Silicon Valley. There's a restaurant on Embarcadero that tolerates motos parking at its bicycle rack for free. Was always full of commuters in the Before Days. |
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![]() We're allowed to park on the footpath in Melbourne
![]() "In Victoria, you can park your motorcycle on a footpath, unless there is a sign saying you can't. When parking you must not get in the way, or block the path of pedestrians, delivery vehicles, public transport users or parked cars." |
![]() steelbytes wrote: We're allowed to park on the footpath in Melbourne ![]() "In Victoria, you can park your motorcycle on a footpath, unless there is a sign saying you can't. When parking you must not get in the way, or block the path of pedestrians, delivery vehicles, public transport users or parked cars." Sidewalk parking is approximately tolerated in San Francisco; which is to say, it's technically verboten but no parking enforcement officer will hassle you until a NIMBY neighbor calls the cops. My flatmate kept his BMW parked in the gap between the driveway and a tree for about 3 months before falling victim to a grumpy busybody. |
![]() breaknwind wrote: IMHO Florida could surpass Ca. in PTW ownership if we adopted Filtering and other privileges (parking, toll free travel etc.). |
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![]() breaknwind wrote: Miguel wrote: And I don't think I've ever seen free MC parking in a pay parking lot or street parking in my area including Silicon Valley. ![]() Miguel |
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![]() breaknwind wrote: In Key West, all PTW's park free in the pay parking areas and there's plenty of them. In my area, the only PTW parking is at Home Depot. Funny since it is hard to strap a 2 x 4 x 8 stud to my scoot |
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![]() mayorofnow wrote: Fudmucker wrote: On very rare occasions I have had to pass a string of slow vehicles on the emergency lane side of the slow lane - theoretically filtering, not overtaking. |
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![]() Each borough in London has it's own rules about parking and there are 32 boroughs
![]() In terms of lane splitting/filtering I only hear it referred to as filtering. If the traffic is moving you can pass on the right but if the traffic it stationary you can pass on the left or right. The typical manoeuvre usually involves playing chicken with the oncoming lane to filter past the traffic in your lane as we have many single lane roads. |
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