How many miles GTS 250
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:09 am quote
Morning all! I'm still on the hunt for my wheels and came across a 2006 GTS 250 with about 21k miles on it for 2k.

I understand miles are also about how well the maintenance etc was done, but how many miles is too many miles?

The scooter looks immaculate and the owner says it was well maintained.

Thoughts?

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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:32 am quote
I would jump on that, maybe try offering 1800. I wouldnt ask less than 2K for mine at 66k miles.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:27 am quote
Sounds good to me. I'd be more interested in maintenance quality than miles in this situation....should have quite a bit of life in it yet!

Interesting looking seat cover....
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:08 am quote
Yeah that's gonna be the question. When I go to check it out is there anything specific I should look for? Other than the fact it runs etc has. Evidence of oil somewhere, etc?
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:13 am quote
Maybe ask to see if he has any records of what work was done to it, like oil changes, brakes, belts and slider?
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:18 am quote
I bought my GTS250 with 22000 miles on the clock. I'd buy that one too if it wasn't black.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:00 pm quote
Right off the bat, pull the dipstick. Look at the color and the level of the oil. Remove the right knee pad (might be a torx bit, only do if engine is cool) and look at the color and level of the coolant. See if he has any receipts for work done. Bring a little allen wrench and remove one of the brake fluid reservoir covers. Clean the reservoir cover with a clean rag and remove the two philips screws. Look at the color and level of the brake fluid. Slide your fingernail across both rotors. Are they grooved heavily, does your nail catch at the edge of the rotor. I'm giving you ammo to get the price reduced. The scooter looks in good shape and well loved. The miles don't scare me. That seems to be a good price.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:05 pm quote
Looks like he is down to $1,850, Go get it!

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Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:52 pm quote
Iíll put a horse in this race

15-18 would be rate

But remember, youíre buying a fourteen year old bike.

Back in the day, my dad always said: brakes, tires and a battery when ya buy it.

So expect to spend about 1k beyond purchase price.

And look for any obvious signs of leakage, oil or more importantly coolant

-g
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:56 pm quote
Yea, if that was in Central NY instead of AZ I might be tempted to offer $1,800 myself.

Would not even mind the black color as it would look nice sitting between my 1988 Black Sportster an my 1982 Black XS650.
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:23 pm quote
Thanks for all the input all. Just waiting on $ to pull the trigger! Appreciate the heads up on things to look for!
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:39 am quote
Most important. Does he have a legitimate title and I underscore the word legitimate?
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:53 am quote
joehouston wrote:
Most important. Does he have a legitimate title and I underscore the word legitimate?
Yes! that would be a major thing to be sure of! Sometimes the paper work is many times more important than the condition of a machine! Rebuilding something like the brakes could be cheaper than the cost of getting paperwork straightened out in some states.
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:12 am quote
I am aware of several 250 and 300 GTS models that easily got to 50,000 miles with no issue.

A couple of those needed major engine work once they got around 60,000.

I have a GT that made it to 76,000 miles on it's original engine.

That one now has 30,000 miles on the new engine.

And I have another GT with 34,000 miles.

So, 21,000 is nothing as long as the maintenance was followed reasonably well.

I wouldn't hesitate to purchase this one.

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:30 am quote
And it must have the brick-red master key, needed to make duplicates.

Ask if fuel pump has been replaced. Early gts has fuel pump issues. Piaggio issued recall. About 1hour shop time plus new pump

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:06 pm quote
GTS 250
I am looking at one big clue that no one is commenting about! Look at the seat! It looks like it has a lumpy crappy cover over who knows what! Has the scooter lived outside in the sun. What else is compromised from sitting out? Just saying! If this is the level of care that this bike has gotten, how are the tires, hoses, speedo bezel, etc!
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pm quote
Re: GTS 250
keenkut wrote:
I am looking at one big clue that no one is commenting about! Look at the seat! It looks like it has a lumpy crappy cover over who knows what! Has the scooter lived outside in the sun. What else is compromised from sitting out? Just saying! If this is the level of care that this bike has gotten, how are the tires, hoses, speedo bezel, etc!
It could be the current owner didn't like the riding comfort of the original saddle and decided to get it re-covered but yes, it definitely needs checking out. Also the speedo display, check it is nice and clear, many of the early 250's LCD displays suffer from sun damage. You can repair them, but if it shows signs of deterioration, it could be a lever to get the price down.
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:46 pm quote
this bike. It won't last, unless there's
Abner_Bjorn wrote:
Bring a little allen wrench and remove one of the brake fluid reservoir covers. Clean the reservoir cover with a clean rag and remove the two philips screws. .
As soon as some dumbass pulls out tools to take something I'm selling apart, the show's over.
While people are filling the op's head with nonsense about what to do or ddmand, and paranoid fantasies about legitimate titles, because of that international band of n'er do wells running across your lawn at night and cranking out bastard titles for used vespas,, someone else is cashing their Covid check to go buy this bike. Unless the entire left side is missing, this bike won't be for sale long. It's a $2000 vespa that runs at the start of riding season.
themrmalone wrote:
Thoughts?
It's an Italian motor vehicle. It wasn't particularly reliable when they made it. It's probably less reliable now. But there's a lot more than $2000 worth of joie de vivre left in it. I would buy it if I had two grand and wanted a Vespa.

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:20 pm quote
Haha too true. Unfortunately this 250 and another 250 I was looking at both sold before I could get the $$ together.

Lesson? Don't look until I have the money in hand lol.
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:36 pm quote
It's that time of year. Another trap to avoid is asking on forums what something is worth. You will get someone who owns the same year, make and model telling you that, after you do all the unusual things they suggest and make out of kilter demands, the bike someone else is selling is worth about $3000 less than the one they own. It's weird. Another thing that doesn't matter when you are buying a used Vespa is KBB or NADA value. Most used Vespas are worth well above book value. Color does affect the value quite a bit. A red or black one will sell faster and hold value best.
Denitely keep looking while you wait . You are getting a good sense of your local market and will have a better idea of what it takes to own what you wany when you're ready.
Don't let the online nonsense about needing complete service records or strategies that involve telling the seller a bike that starts and runs well is going to need a laundry list of new parts to get the price down keep you from acting when the opportunity presents itself and you are ready.
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:38 am quote
The other deciding factor is for about three Pryce I've been seeing the older 250s go for I could save a tad more and get a new piaggio liberty 150. So that's another thing in ponderimg now.
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Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:51 pm quote
themrmalone wrote:
The other deciding factor is for about three Pryce I've been seeing the older 250s go for I could save a tad more and get a new piaggio liberty 150. So that's another thing in ponderimg now.
Make a list of everything good about owning a Vespa, and another list of everything bad about owning a Vespa, then burn the list of everything good. Once you remove the crunchy metal outer shell, you are left with a two wheeled Fiat. Have you ever met a happy long term Fiat owner who didn't seem just a little nuts?
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:50 pm quote
My 2009 GTS 250 has over 140K kilometers on the clock. But I swapped out the engine at 125K.

As others have said, your bigger concern is the other things that can go wrong on an older scoot... not the engine; that's bulletproof (assuming it got regular service).
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:53 am quote
Motovista wrote:
themrmalone wrote:
The other deciding factor is for about three Pryce I've been seeing the older 250s go for I could save a tad more and get a new piaggio liberty 150. So that's another thing in ponderimg now.
Make a list of everything good about owning a Vespa, and another list of everything bad about owning a Vespa, then burn the list of everything good. Once you remove the crunchy metal outer shell, you are left with a two wheeled Fiat. Have you ever met a happy long term Fiat owner who didn't seem just a little nuts?


Funny, but why so angry?
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