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Molto Verboso
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:36 pm quote
I've been getting some flack lately from a few people who tell me how dangerous it is for me to listen to my ipod while I scooter about. I understand it hampers my safety a bit but I can't imagine riding without music. It's not like I have loud rock blaring in my eardrums...I can still hear somewhat. What are your opinions?
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:43 pm quote
This is a long running debate on MV. Personally, I think it's dangerous. I have a little hearing loss already, and I want to hear EVERY possible threat.

In most states, an earbud in one ear is legal but not two.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:50 pm quote
Since you asked...I think it is a bad idea in real world traffic. Sounds fun though.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:56 pm quote
Operative word is "somewhat"= increasing the margin of danger, not in your favor.

It's a risk I'd rather not factor in. We already have enough to pay attention to......

that's my 2cents.....but to each his own.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:18 pm quote
Re: ipod and scootering
gregt wrote:
I've been getting some flack lately from a few people who tell me how dangerous it is for me to listen to my ipod while I scooter about. I understand it hampers my safety a bit but I can't imagine riding without music. It's not like I have loud rock blaring in my eardrums...I can still hear somewhat. What are your opinions?
I ride with my ipod and only one earbud in. And without full Toreador Pants.

I do me, you got to do you.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:29 pm quote
I think that it would occupy some of your concentration and that would be the major safety concern. You'll surely receive mixed replies on this. You'll need to make up your own mind and what works for you.

Hope that it works out!
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:41 pm quote
bad move in general. think of it this way: are you cool when your visor fogs up? That only somewhat affects your vision....


you need to hear and see well to ride in traffic, period.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:51 pm quote
Were you expecting support?
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:55 pm quote
I've done it... It doesn't bother me, but I don't do it much anymore. I had to turn the volume up loud enough to overcome the wind noise, and *that* was too loud on my ears... Now I wear earplugs - both ears, too!
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:20 pm quote
This guy did a pretty cool mod on his ET4 to mount speakers for his iPod. Vespa ET4 iPod Speaker System
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:24 pm quote
I will sometimes ride with earphones in, but as someone already mentioned you really have to have good earphones to do it or you will have to have the music up too loud. I figure I wear earplugs all the time anyway so its not like I am relying on my hearing while I am out there. The key is to try it around the neighborhood first because it may really throw you off, or you may love it.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:31 pm quote
I've gotten the official word - in the form of a citation from one of law enforcement's finest.

I've been thinking of a trunk box with a seperate battery, small amp, exterior mounted speakers, and a remote controll that some of the car stereos have.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:37 pm quote
I sing to myself.

The songs that pop into my head are not always ones that I consciously choose, and sometimes not even ones I'm aware are in there. I sometimes find I have the Greatful Dead running through my head when I hit Woodside (it fits the ambiance of the place) but other times it could be Spoon, Dengue Fever, Miles Davis, the Clash, John Coltrane, Demitri from Paris, even something by Moby or Daft Punk. The juke box in my head is on random play.

I should mention I don't sing out loud and I don't move my lips while I sing...and anyway, not all the tunes have words.

Much as I enjoy having a soundtrack to my life, I think I'm better off with earplugs when I ride at speed than with MORE noise.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:43 pm quote
Re: ipod and scootering
gregt wrote:
I can't imagine riding without music.
I can't imagine riding with music. I like the maximized sensory perception of everything around me when riding compared to driving. I don't want to start isolating myself like cagers do...However it sounds like you have already justified it to yourself in your mind, so if you are comfortable with the risk then do it, you don't need permission from anyone. Just be prepared to live with the consequences if it does result in an accident, and don't distract yourself further with fumbling with buttons while riding.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:44 pm quote
MarkMc wrote:
This guy did a pretty cool mod on his ET4 to mount speakers for his iPod. Vespa ET4 iPod Speaker System
good idea, if you use an open face helmet
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:26 pm quote
Had a kenwood system that was made for my honda helix back in the 80's. It was great when i was just cruising around. On the freeway at high speeds it wasn't audible
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:30 pm quote
If you got in a crash wearing your ipod who would say if you didn't have a ipod on you would not have crashed. Some of the people here start projectile vomiting at the thought of riding with a short sleeve shirt and sandals. Rock On.
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:39 pm quote
I bought a Nolan N102 just so I could listen to music. I don't turn it up loud and I can still hear all the cars and traffic around me.

I used to wear an iPod while bicycling but stopped because I didn't feel safe as the ear buds block out sound, where the nolan's speakers don't block out the noise you need to hear to stay alive.

it is however a fairly expensive set.

I like the linked ET4 speaker setup, thats nice!
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:01 am quote
When riding long distance, I always use the iPOD to keep me entertained. I personally would like to think I'm experienced enough, and have enough spacial awareness to be fully aware visually of all that's going on around me.

The only reason I don't bother when scooting around town is because it's just not worth the effort for a 5 minute trip.

Each to their own, really.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:26 am quote
modern elite-ist wrote:
I've gotten the official word - in the form of a citation from one of law enforcement's finest.

I've been thinking of a trunk box with a seperate battery, small amp, exterior mounted speakers, and a remote controll that some of the car stereos have.
You'd get a citation for that around here.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:40 am quote
I ride with my ipod sometimes. Just did it this morning.

I set a volume that allows me to hear traffic and music. Akin to the volume of my car stereo vs outside noise.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:50 am quote
MarkMc wrote:
This guy did a pretty cool mod on his ET4 to mount speakers for his iPod. Vespa ET4 iPod Speaker System
Yeah that is a sweet setup. I saw one for the Stella. I wish someone would make a kit for the LX.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:57 am quote
Was curious about this myself - have earplugs that block noise (even tho the package of the earplugs says don't use in heavy traffic) but can still hear OK. Would like some tunes in my ear on occasion so may try it out with a low volume. (last night coming home from my game at 10pm - some Marley tunes would have been just perfect)
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:59 am quote
I'm all for iTunes and riding, but only if the occasion calls for it. Long distance (freeways) and leisure backroad riding (twisties) are okay. What's NOT okay is in-city, traffic, or large group rides when I need to know wtf is around me (sirens, horns, approx loc. of other scooters).
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:57 am quote
+1
Molto Verboso
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:20 am quote
I ride with tunes quite often. However, I do not have buds in my ear. I bought a set of stereo helmet speakers and have them under the padding and behind the cut out area where my ears go. When my helmet is on the speakers sit slightly behind my ears. I found that even with music on I can still hear cars as they are approaching from my blind spot and all emergency sirens I can hear from a long way off.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:48 am quote
you know I'm all for ride as you like.

I just find it interesting that as many time as this comes up, people seem to forget that this is how crackhead got his name.


http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:46 am quote
It is the same as driving while talking on a cell phone....
Riding bikes requires more than your full attention.

My .02 cents?
Go ahead & do it....just don't do it near me.


But everyone thinks they can multi task while driving so what do I know....
So everyone should don their sandals,half helmet,Hawaiian shirt, shorts, glass of wine & shove those earbuds deep.



Here is what happened to me while I was paying full attention.
Truck backed out in front of me....& the only reason I walked away with zero injuries is I heard his tires screech as he blew out of his driveway.....
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:56 am quote
I used to listen to mine everytime I rode on the ruckus but that I've got the Vespa, I haven't even thought about it. I know its not safe either way but something about being able to go faster needs more attention & I probably want use it on the Vespa.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:54 pm quote
no matter what it's "less" safe to be listening to music. is it "unsafe?" i don't know

personally i can't drive and talk on the phone. some people can, but seems like most can't, i guess it depends on you.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:19 pm quote
To each his own, of course.

But to me, a good analogy is driving an econobox rent-a-car vs. driving a sporty car. With an econobox, I turn on the cruise control right away, as soon as I get on the highway. With my sporty car, I have never used the cruise control. Why? Because there is no joy in driving an econobox with mushy steering and so-so brakes and soft suspension. So put it on auto-pilot. My own car is way too fun to drive to ever put it on autopilot, even on long trips.

Same thing with a scooter. A scooter is so much fun to drive compared to a car, that I'd never consider putting earphones on. Where's the joy?
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:03 pm quote
I've posted this on a similar thread before.

This is me after my accident which resulted from being distracted by my ipod.

crackhead.jpg

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Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:25 pm quote
If I'm riding outside of town for a long distance on a highway or interstate, I'll listen to my Ipod...never in town, though.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:11 pm quote
jesus seth, that picture is creepy as hell
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:22 pm quote
After a day of talking to clients the peace of the ride home is fantastic! I also want more focused-concentration on the antics of idiot cagers I encounter. If I'm singing along with "All Mod Cons" or "Jail Guitar Doors" I'm not as focused. I prefer to be alive and in one piece.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:30 pm quote
VP1 wrote:
jesus seth, that picture is creepy as hell
I'll take some of the drugs Seth took.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:21 pm quote
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:35 am quote
VespaGT250 wrote:
VP1 wrote:
jesus seth, that picture is creepy as hell
I'll take some of the drugs Seth took.
Which of the many?
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:25 am quote
I would! Hell I ride a bicycle through rush-hour traffic with sound-blocking earphones in...

But each to their own.
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:26 am quote
I just bought an ipod shuffle a couple of days ago so I could listen to some music on long rides and to drown out the voices in my head

And then the voices on this thread make my question my decision.

I've gotta stop listening to the voices, but I don't know which ones to ignore.
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