The Answer to Gas Overflowing When You Fill Up!
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:41 pm quote
I have read several times in various posts about people not knowing how to keep the gas from overflowing when filling. Someone else (I can't remember who it was) figured it out. I'm not sure if it only works in the U.S. but here it is.....


When you fill up, put the nozzle in all the way with your hand over the storage bucket. Fill slowly until the gas shuts or clicks off. That's it your done. It should now be full. This works on the GT and LX150 every time for us. When I first got the GT I was filling it with my hand over the side of the scooter. No good. With my hand over the bucket, it worked every time with no overflow.

Hope this helps,
Doug

I've updated this thread since it's getting attention again to put the picture right up front... again, if you fill up from this angle (or if you don't have a top case in the way from behind) it should work....

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:57 pm quote
I can't remember who figured it out either, but it works. The gas tank filler neck is curved and in order to get the nozzle in all the way you need to do it like Doug wrote. : When you fill up, put the nozzle in all the way with your hand over the storage bucket.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:04 pm quote
I have done it this way as well with never a problem. I also remove my storage bucket ... just in case
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:11 pm quote
Great idea- thanks!
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:19 pm quote
Just remember NOT to try and top it off after the first stop
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:53 pm quote
i thought you were taking the piss when i first read this post. i had a vision of one hand holding the nozzle filling up with the other hand hovering over the bucket to catch spewing fuel!

but i get it now
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:53 pm quote
How much?
How much is left empty in the tank this way?Is it substantial when stopping at the first click?
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:59 pm quote
Re: How much?
old mod wrote:
How much is left empty in the tank this way?Is it substantial when stopping at the first click?
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It puts it right at the bottom of the neck.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:59 pm quote
I think what they are saying is that you position the nozzle into the filler neck and the pump lever, which is pressed by you right or left hand should be over the bucket. Hence your hand and the hose would be over the bucket.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:00 pm quote
Yeah, this wouldn't be a problem in 48 of the 50 US States, But I live in New Jersey (the other being Oregon) where it's illegal to pump your own gas.

My first overflow/starting problem came as a result of me telling my gas attendant "Oh, just a Gallon please. If it gets too full I get engine trouble." "Okay..."

glug glug glug, It clicks off at 1.2 Gallons and then the bastard clicks it up to 1.4, only stopping cuz gas is gushing all over my scooter's backside. I wanted to slap him.

What I absolutely hate hate hate is why the attendants feel the need to click it up to an even $1.00 or 0.50 cent value. I know it made some sense when cash was the only way to get Gas. Having worked a cash register for awhile, I know change is hard to keep up with...

...but when you have to give them a credit card before they even start pumping...what the crap does it matter what amount it stops on?
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:08 pm quote
Question. Why do you put your hand over the bucket if not to catch the spill. I don't get it.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:13 pm quote
The hand holding the nozzle is over the bucket. So basically, keep the nozzle parallel to the scooter, not hanging over the side.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:20 pm quote
Thanks Tikka and B&M, now I get it. I will have to give that a try next time at the pump!
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:44 pm quote
Re: The Answer to Gas Overflowing When You Fill Up!
DougandMichelle wrote:
When you fill up, put the nozzle in all the way with your hand over the storage bucket. Fill slowly util the gas shuts or clicks off. That's it your done.
I hate to ask, but I desperately need a picture. I've been successful in getting a nozzle to "click" once with only minimal overflow. The rest of the time, it clicks and I get major overflow. I'm sorta mentally picturing this, does the nozzle ... "ahem" ... penetrate deeper if you hold it at a certain angle?
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:51 pm quote
I've also noticed that if you try to pump slowly, you reduce the chances of the nozzle shutting off automatically. Therefore, don't try to fill it slowly.

By "Hand over the bucket" they mean the nozzle handle should be in line with the center of the scooter, not pumping from the side. When the nozzle is over the pet-carrier area, it will indeed penetrate deeper into the fill tube.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:02 pm quote
Re: The Answer to Gas Overflowing When You Fill Up!
Dakk wrote:
DougandMichelle wrote:
When you fill up, put the nozzle in all the way with your hand over the storage bucket. Fill slowly util the gas shuts or clicks off. That's it your done.
I hate to ask, but I desperately need a picture. I've been successful in getting a nozzle to "click" once with only minimal overflow. The rest of the time, it clicks and I get major overflow. I'm sorta mentally picturing this, does the nozzle ... "ahem" ... penetrate deeper if you hold it at a certain angle?
The next time I fill up, I'll take a camera and get it on here. It may be a while as I am going to be very busy over the next several days (my parents 50th wedding anniversary and dad has been very ill the last 3 plus weeks) but asap I'll post what I'm talking about.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:03 pm quote
Cardiac wrote:
I've also noticed that if you try to pump slowly, you reduce the chances of the nozzle shutting off automatically. Therefore, don't try to fill it slowly.

By "Hand over the bucket" they mean the nozzle handle should be in line with the center of the scooter, not pumping from the side. When the nozzle is over the pet-carrier area, it will indeed penetrate deeper into the fill tube.
This is very true....don't fill too slowly. Just a nice medium speed is perfect.

It may also work to fill it from behind but I have a topcase and it is in the way so I put my hand over the bucket .
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:31 pm quote
DougandMichelle wrote:
It may also work to fill it from behind
We're still talking about pumping gas, right? LOL



Sorry, couldn't resist.


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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:37 pm quote
Several people posted this a few months ago. I don't think it was my idea, but here's what I came up with. After screwing around for over a year filling two GTs and over-filling frequently, I finally tried a few different methods and got it down to the following:

Park and take off your shades so you can see
Open the seat, remove the pet carrier & set aside
Swipe your card, choose premium, remove gas cap
Car wash Y/N ==> choose "N"
Grab the nozzle handle
Point the nozzle rearward and insert it all the way

As Tom said, pointing the nozzle toward the rear makes it less likely to overflow. This position puts your hand, holding the handle, over the engine area. As DandM put it, "put the nozzle in all the way with your hand over the storage bucket."

Do it by hand; don't use the lock-on thing. It's OK to go fast for the first gallon, then SLOW DOWN. Fill SLOWLY until it clicks off. SLOWLY. If you're still spilling, go slower.

Optional: If you're capable and want to mess with it go ahead and top up with a few more SHORT spurts. Remove the nozzle and peer into the tank.

Squirt
Peer
Squirt
Peer
Squirt
Peer

That's about it and it should be full-up. Seriously, though, only do this last part if you can see down into the tank and can tell the fuel level. I do this but admit I usually only get extra 1/4 gallon in. Hardly worth the risk of a spill. But I've been doing it for a long time and have gotten good at it.

We have not had a single over-fill since we started filling up this way. The nice thing is that it's fast, too. It only takes about three minutes fill up and I'm GONE, out riding again. Getting fuel is now an easy, quick stop and no longer a dreaded pain-in-the-ass activity.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:03 pm quote
Scott St. Pierre wrote:
Yeah, this wouldn't be a problem in 48 of the 50 US States, But I live in New Jersey (the other being Oregon) where it's illegal to pump your own gas.

My first overflow/starting problem came as a result of me telling my gas attendant "Oh, just a Gallon please. If it gets too full I get engine trouble." "Okay..."

glug glug glug, It clicks off at 1.2 Gallons and then the bastard clicks it up to 1.4, only stopping cuz gas is gushing all over my scooter's backside. I wanted to slap him.

What I absolutely hate hate hate is why the attendants feel the need to click it up to an even $1.00 or 0.50 cent value. I know it made some sense when cash was the only way to get Gas. Having worked a cash register for awhile, I know change is hard to keep up with...

...but when you have to give them a credit card before they even start pumping...what the crap does it matter what amount it stops on?
I live in New Jersey and I always fill up my scooter myself. The guy takes the nozzle out, and I takeit from him, I don'tlet him get near the scooter. If they say no I go to another gas station. All of the station in my area are use to the motorcycles filling themselves up so its not a problem for me.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:51 pm quote
I live in Oregon, and the attendants never make a move to fill the scooter for me. We "bikers" are allowed to go at it ourselves.

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Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:29 pm quote
i experienced tre petrol overfill feature of the GTs when i had the shops demo bike for the weekend, only on a club rideout day but getting petrol in the helmet bay (you say "pet carrier") would not have been a good idea if my camping gear had been in there.......

agree with what's being said here, nozzle hand over the helmet bay and a steady fill up to the click and no more.

like others as an added precaution i also remove the helmet bay whilst filing up but it's always in the back of my mind that if i did overfill with it out and petrol spilled onto the hot engine/exhaust...... but i suppose you need a naked flame or spark to cause ignition........
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:28 am quote
I have a technique for filling up with gas cans at home. I know that when my yellow reserve light is steady on, not blinking anymore, that my GT200 will hold exactly 2 gallons of gas without overflowing. My local Fina station sells premium gas on Mondays for the same price as regular, so I take my car, fill up a five-gallon can or two, depending on my plans for riding that week. Then when I get home, I pour two gallons into my two-gallon can, and one gallon in my one-gallon can. That leaves two gallons in the five gallon can. I use the one-gallon can to top off my tank if my gauge reads about half-full, so I can go on a normal distance ride. I know, it sounds crazy. Don't worry, I also have been known to need gas while out on the scooter, too, then I use the technique everyone has talked about here. Besides my method saves me at least a dollar every Monday.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:30 am quote
I always put the nozzle in the gas tank, then I wrap the nozzle with the paper towels that are available for washing windows. If it overflows, the paper towels get it.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:59 am quote
Great advice guys! Thanks.
I've only put gas in my GT once! I now have over 200 miles on her and am looking at a fill up soon. I was so paranoid about spillage before, I made sure that I stopped short. I'll definitely be trying this technique.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:22 am quote
Tons of good advice, especially since I haven't filled her up yet. I'm sure I'll need gas by the weekend. My commute to work is only 7 kms and I've just been riding the new scooter for 4 days now. After reading this I now know how to avoid overfilling the gas tank.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:53 am quote
I discovered the solution some months ago and posted it here, I think for the first time, but I could be wrong.

All I did was think about the differences between filling a car and a bike. Cars tend to have fillers that angle into the bodywork, scooters don't so angling the nozzle sidways as most people do places the nozzle in a different position to the rising fluid than is the case with a car. This means the cut off mechanism which relies on rising fuel to cut of a vacuum operated valve is being held out of the fluid rather than plunged into it. I noticed that the GT filler angled backwards towards the rack, so simply turned the nozzle so it pointed in the same direxction. This provided the same attitude to the rising fluid as you get in a car, and the cut out works as it should.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:29 am quote
When I fill up, my boss drives a Ford Exageration(predicessor to the Excursion) Lucky for me, he puts premium in the school bus, so I just take a hose and siphon about 1.2 gallons, usually tops me off great, the only bad part is there is no click off


But seriously, I have not tried my hand over the puppy-warmer, I will have to do that.

I always pull out the pet carrier, turn it sideways so i can drop my seat down on it but its propped open, turn my key to on, and fill by watching the guage go back up. Someone said how to do this a long time ago, and it works flawlessly too!!

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Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:57 am quote
The filler neck on the LX150 is vertical. Therefore, it doesn't matter which direction you fill from, as long as you get the nozzle vertical and as far into the filler neck as possible. Aligning the nozzle with the scooter axis may be necessary for the GT, but it sure isn't for the LX150.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:04 am quote
Les wrote:
The filler neck on the LX150 is vertical. Therefore, it doesn't matter which direction you fill from.
The filler neck on the GT and GTS is vertical too, but the direction you hold it from really does make a difference. Try it.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:27 am quote
I heard the other day that if your are a porn star, you should fill the tank half way and then pull the nozzle out and spray gas all over the scooter.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:46 am quote
100+ best. thread. ever.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:12 am quote
That reminds me of this one time I filled 2 scooters at the same time, That was back in my acting days, u might have seen it "the italian JOB staring LX150, GT200 and snowbum, great plot too

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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:14 am quote
Oh. My god. I would scream bloody murder if I couldn't pump my own freaking gas in my bikes.

Oregon? And here I was, thinking I was gonna ride up North through there. Heh.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:48 am quote
I am curious,

I can see where everyone, world wide would be concerned about spilling into the cargo bucket (jokingly called pet carrier here in the US because there is a label stating “no pets”).

Part of why we are so careful here in the US is that we have the overfill issue which possibly fouls the intake system, (part of the emissions controls) hence the removal of the EVAP tube.

Is it the same situation outside of the US? Do other countries require the EVAP system?
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:53 am quote
Oregon Gas
They may insist on pumping your gas, but they also give your dogs biscuits. So that puppy in the pet carrier should be happy!
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:04 am quote
snowbum wrote:
That reminds me of this one time I filled 2 scooters at the same time, That was back in my acting days, u might have seen it "the italian JOB staring LX150, GT200 and snowbum, great plot too

scott
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:51 am quote
salty dodd wrote:
Is it the same situation outside of the US? Do other countries require the EVAP system?
The evaporative emission control system is not required. It's there in the interest of producing a lower-emissions product and in anticipation of upcoming regulations which will require that 2-wheelers emit less pollution. Same as the catalyzer in the exhaust and the AIR system on the GT. It's a Vespa thing, not found on most other scooters or motorcycles.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:08 pm quote
Ok, tell me if I am doing something super dangerous our wrong.

When I fill up, I've been turning the key to on position and pumping while watching the dial move up and soon as it gets to about full I stop.
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Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:20 pm quote
Thats what i do too, and i have not blown up yet
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