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Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:16 pm quote
I have Sprint V. and I plan repainting them, in document as described colour of metalic grey to the one and blue for the other. both year 75. how ought to? following document or change colour according to original color that Sprint?


ps: what is Vallombrosa Green look like?
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:10 am quote
Re: advice needed on repainting
veloce75 wrote:
ps: what is Vallombrosa Green look like?
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:15 am quote
Grigio Polaris was used on a few 70's models, including the Rally 200. From my experience, the grey / silver rally 200 was one of the rarer colors ( at least in the US). I've only seen one - a guy in DC that makes the rally circuit ...but his name escapes me. His is a Euro model anyways ..so it's possible they never even made a US spec polaris grey rally 200.

Here's an pic of him on an original paint rally 200 in grigio polaris.



And here's another shot i found of someone who attempted a respray in the same color.

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Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:11 am quote
What's up with the black trim on the front fender and the grips? That's not Euro spec is it?
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:22 am quote
no - the black front fender crest and the black grips were standard for the Rally 200.
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:46 am quote
The guy in the picture is Mark Bennett, of NOS-SC.
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:51 am quote
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The guy in the picture is Mark Bennett, of NOS-SC.
Thanks, i knew someone would charm in. I know John + Spiny Norman in NOSSC, but i didn't know Mark was in it. Very cool.
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:20 pm quote
Rover Eric wrote:
Grigio Polaris was used on a few 70's models, including the Rally 200.
From my experience, the grey / silver rally 200 was one of the rarer colors ( at least in the US).
hahaha exactly here too much colour like that, most of all sprint circulating here its colour like that,
and first colour of my sprint also like that.


and what is the difference between European model, America and Asia?
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:22 pm quote
oh yea,well any body with the last name of bennett must be top shelf


your's truely,jimmy bennett
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:58 am quote
veloce75 wrote:
and what is the difference between European model, America and Asia?
This is going to be a dissertation:

There's a couple key differences, depending on the year / model.

1) In the US, bikes from 1974 on had to have turn signals. This meant they were added on to bikes like the V90, Sprint, Super, Rally, Primavera, etc.


2) The taillights were different in some cases. Starting in the 50's, a lot of Vespa Allstates ( US-version stripped down Vespas sold cheaply and marketed to farmers ) had different taillights than the non-vespa equivalent. The 1966 US models of certain bikes - the '66 sprint and '66 VMA1T that were sold as "Allstates" as well as the 1966 SS180 all had "mickeymouse" taillights. It was something specific only to that year and those models in the US. Moving into the later 60's and 70's, some american-specific versions of bikes like the Rally 180 and Rally 200, Sprints, Primaveras ... they all had weird taillights that had a lens that sat up on a gooseneck, and supported a licenseplate holder. One year of the SS180 ( 1968? ) and at least 1-2 years of the Rally 180 had the CEV-made taillight with the round lens. The US Rally 200's and P200's had the big honkin rear lens on the same basic bracket.


Here's a CEV taillight with round lens :


And the 1966 US specific "mickey mouse" taillight :




3) The headlights on certain bikes starting in the late 60's. ( sprints and Rally's particularly ) The "euro headlight" is gigantic. It has a much wider diameter than the US specific headlight. The high beam indicator on the euro bikes is different as well.

4) Other electrics : Realize that in the early - mid 60's, the general trend was Euro model = Battery, US model = batteryless. The US model GS and SS180 had no battery, while the euro spec did. Starting in around 1971, this trend flipped, and the euro model bikes had NO batteries, and the US models did.

Correspondingly, things like rectifiers, regulators, switches, and horns ( had to be AC instead of DC, and vice versa ) were different. The ubiquitous "shell-pattern horn" were DC-only, and used only on the euro spec GS and SS. They've repopped these in AC for american markets in recent years because people like the looks of them, but it's not a true part to any US model that i'm aware of. Bikes with a battery have a key-switch to disable the battery so it doesn't drain when bikes aren't running, so only certain models from certain areas should be keyed. Etc.


There were some other small differences, like reflectors ( again, a DOT requirement in some cases ).... and i know someone is going to chime in and say the front fork on the Allstate - but the allstate is a case all it's own with regard to the differences. There were large differences even between a VNB allstate and an american sold Vespa VNB, so the variances are true even within the US market.

Here's a Euro-spec Rally 200 ( and that's a stock Euro-specific paint color : Kathmandu Red ). Notice the Euro taillight, massive headlight, lack of turn signals, etc.



Compare to a '74 US-spec rally 200, with small headlight, US-specific DOT turn signals, and the huge diameter horn they used on the US DC bikes ( primavera, Rally, and a couple others ), and reflectors on the front fender.



And here's another pic of the rear of the same bike, note the US style DOT taillight.


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Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:37 am quote
Interesting! Is it safe to say that later Euro bikes were mostly pre-mix and US were autolube?
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:16 am quote
I love stumbling on this kind of info in a thread...thanks for the dissertation, I knew about the tail lights and turn signals, but I didn't know about the giant Euro headlights. Do they offer a PhD in "Vespology"?
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:24 pm quote
Jeremy W wrote:
Interesting! Is it safe to say that later Euro bikes were mostly pre-mix and US were autolube?
Yup, I never came across any autolube version overhere...neither has my vintage Vespa craftsman

The big headlights are indeed an Euro spec thing, what more can a man desire?
The turn signals became mandatory in the early seventies overhere. There actually are P200's that do not have turn signals. For some reason those are very collectible items now

PS: Luckily the trend Euro model = Battery, US model = batteryless flipped, my '78 Sprint V does perfectly without
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:52 pm quote
Hey Eric...
Thank you for the response
very Informative...
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