1964 Allstate rebuild
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1964 Allstate125
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: Salina, KS
Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:36 pm quote
I am new to this forum, so please forgive me if this topic is not relevant to the board, or if it has been covered before.

I have a 64' Allstate 125. I have considered putting a new 5-port 150cc or PX200 engine in rather than rebuilding the old 125cc. To do so, however, I think I would have to upgrade the forks and hubs to fit 10" wheels. This is my first scooter project, and I don't want to get too carried away with my costs. I plan on riding this scooter around town, and that's about it. I am a rather large person at 6'6" and 250 lbs, so I intially thought more power made sense to haul me around. Any thoughts as to whether I should keep the 125 or make the move to a large engine? My thinking is that by the time I buy new forks, hubs, and an engine, I could have bought a used Vespa 150 for the same price. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!

Aaron -Salina, KS
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1974 Rally 200, 2009 Yamaha C3, 2010 Honda SH150i
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Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:05 pm quote
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1974 Rally 200, 2009 Yamaha C3, 2010 Honda SH150i
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1960 Series 2 Lambretta 190li, 1974 Super 150
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
Posts: 200
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:26 pm quote
Ummm... no way would I recommend that Lambreta LD to anybody.

On the OP: It's your bike build it the way you want.

That said if you're just riding around town the 8" wheels will be fine. You could convert a modern LML 105 engine to 8" -- scootersworks (I think) has a kit to help with this.

However your best bet is to rebuild the original engine. If you're O.K. with mechanical work crack the cases open and take a few pics. Chances are it's not so bad and can be easily rebuilt. You can always throw a 150 top end on the engine if more power is desired.

Good Luck,
Tom in WI
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1963 VNB3 125
Joined: 13 Sep 2008
Posts: 6
Location: Grand Rapids Mi
Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:27 pm quote
New 150cc motor
I just rebuilt my 1963 VNB last summer and I installed the new 150cc motor from Scooterworks [http://www.scooterworks.com/]. You wont need to upgrade your forks, all you need to do is take the 8 inch hub off the old motor and install it on the new motor. You will need to file down two post that will rub the hub. You will also need to upgrade the harness to a 12volt.

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Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:40 pm quote
The orange looks real good!
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Location: Venice
Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:36 pm quote
yes your a big guy,if you were going to tell me that you wanted to ride on the freeway and race around i'd say 200cc.

but you clearly said cruise around town,i like what was suggested earlier,fix up what you got and keep the 8's.

you will enjoy the rideing alot.

and from what i hear the kitts for the 125 motor are awsome and not difficult or too pricey.

enjoy
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'79 P200
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Posts: 397
Location: Dallas, Texas
Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:46 pm quote
don't the brake posts and brake cam not fit an 8" hub? How do you relocate those in?

Molto Verboso
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Location: So Cal
Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:53 pm quote
from an unrelated thread
VP1 wrote:
1958 Allstate . . .upgraded from 8" wheels to 10". The front fork is from a Bajaj and works much better than the old style front end. . .
Sounds like it can be done. Please post pics as you progress. Good luck!
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1962 GS160mk1, 1963 GS160mk2, 1965 SS180, 1974 Rally 200, wife's LI150
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:51 am quote
GTSBERG wrote:
don't the brake posts and brake cam not fit an 8" hub? How do you relocate those in?
They fit fine if you convert a few things. You need to remove that backing plate and fit an 8" one ... and i think you need brake pads specific to an 8" drum ( not sure on that ) ...and of course the new drum / wheel. But the posts are fine, and work with either type of wheel dimension, provided you have the rest of the appropriate parts.
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1963 VNB3 125
Joined: 13 Sep 2008
Posts: 6
Location: Grand Rapids Mi
Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:28 am quote
Brake Pads are the same
I should have been more specific when I said that you need to file down some post(s) to get the 8 inch hub to fit on a 10 inch motor. You don't file the post that hold the pads in place, also you don't need different pads. Instead there is a piece of metal from the motor case that needs to be filed. I don't have any pics but if you have your old motor you will see that part of the case is angled and on the new motor it is square.

Hope this helps...
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'79 P200
Joined: 26 Jul 2006
Posts: 397
Location: Dallas, Texas
Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:44 am quote
Thanks for the info. I'm still a few weeks from the engine work on this. I'm still taking the body apart for paint. I'm either going to rat rod the thing, or spend the money and get it media blasted and painted right.

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1963 VNB3 125
Joined: 13 Sep 2008
Posts: 6
Location: Grand Rapids Mi
Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:49 am quote
Dip it
I had my 63 dipped. It took everything down to beautiful bare metal. Only cost $120. You will need to remove the leg-shield trim as it is aluminum.
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