LML NV Vespa 150cc 1991 vs. Vespa PX 150????
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:32 am quote
Hi to all
I'm from Europe and I have found old LML NV VESPA 150cc from 1991.Can someone please tell me what are the exact differences between that LML NV VESPA and Italian made PX150cc? I want to buy it so I want to know ,can I order spare parts from Italian made PX,and are all of the parts 100% same as those on LML NV?Should I buy it or no and what are the exact differences between them?Are all of the parts interchangeable between both VEspas?

Thank you in advance to all

Please someone answer me as soon as possible,cause I should buy it tomorrow probably

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Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:38 am quote
LML NV is a licensed copy of the PX150. In other words, yes I believe most of the parts are interchangeable with Piaggio Italy parts. LML and other aftermarket parts should also be plentiful.
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:38 am quote
hi there, from what i learned from this forum, they are basically the same, lml are made in india, vespa were made in italy, and some people have changed parts from one another, the best guy who can help you here is eric. he s a living vespaencyclopedia. and theres another topic going on the same subject i think.
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:39 am quote
Welcome Juno!
Many parts will be interchangeable or can be easily fit. I don't know for sure but I seriously doubt you can count on ALL the parts on that model carrying over.

LML makes good scoots. There is a discussion in the modern section you might check out on this - titled something like "what's the story behind stella"

Personally, I think the PX would offer better build quality. But we do have some fierce fans of the LML Stella/Star line, so that's just my 2 cents.
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:34 am quote
Thanks for your reply guys.But this LML NV was made in 1991 when PIAGGIO and LML had still partnership.It is not new one.So I guess they should be basically the same Vespa's,but still I need opinion from someone that really knows abot that,so that I should know whether I should buy it or no.Who is that guy Edi? Where can I find his profile to contact him?

Thanx again
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:36 am quote
juno106 wrote:
Thanks for your reply guys.But this LML NV was made in 1991 when PIAGGIO and LML had still partnership.It is not new one.So I guess they should be basically the same Vespa's,but still I need opinion from someone that really knows abot that,so that I should know whether I should buy it or no.Who is that guy Edi? Where can I find his profile to contact him?

Thanx again


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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:37 am quote
Some parts will be interchangeable some with modifications and some without...but the motor is completely different I think? 4T vs 2T? Eric is the guy you are looking for, but he's trying to get his SS180 ready for a Rally and he's in a bit of a pinch. He's Rover Eric on here and he will be able to steer you in the right direction.
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:37 am quote
i ll try and contact rover eric. he s very helpful and knows everything vespa
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:44 am quote
Wikipedia

LML NV is a scooter made by Lohia Machinery Limited India. The scooter is a licensed copy of Vespa PX 150. Since its introduction in 1986, the scooter has been well known for its pick up, power, stability, and speed. This model lacks an auto-lubrication system thus 2 stroke oil must be pre-mixed with petrol. An upgraded version of this scooter was, LML Select 2. Production of LML NV and LML Select 2 ended in 2004. Bajaj Chetak was its chief competitor.

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

Engine: 2 Stroke, Single Cylinder, Air Cooled

Cubic Capacity: 149.56cc

Max. Power: 8.0 BHP @ 5500rpm (relaunched in 1992 with an improved efficient engine but 7.0 BHP @ 5500 rpm)

Gear Box: 4 Speed

Ignition: CDI

Front Brakes: Drum

Rear Brakes: Drum

Front Tyre: 3.50 X 10 Rear Tyre: 3.50 X 10

Wheelbase: 1235mm

Ground Clearance: 160mm

Dry Weight: 104 kg

Tank Capacity: 8 Litres
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Piaggio LML NV VESPA 150cc
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:51 am quote
I found that articel in wikipedia too,but I CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE ON INTERNET WETHER THEY ARE 100% SAME OR HAVE SOME MINOR DIFFERENCIES!!! And if there are differenecies,what exactly are they? That is what I need to know so that I can buy it and order spare parts from PX range VESPA and put it in that LML NV.

Thanks again guys
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:08 am quote
I'm pretty positive they are the same.


Here is Rover eric's profile: http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2654
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:10 am quote
Nice..it's a 2T

I'm sure almost all the parts are interchangeable with a Vespa
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Piaggio LML NV VESPA 150cc
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:36 pm quote
Anyone who knows is welcomed to post his knowledge about LML NV 150cc from 1991.It seems that everyone is just guessing,but no one is SURE about whether LML NV (1991) and PX 150 are completely the same.
Another question:This LML NV where you put your feet (I don't know how do you call them),has big rubbers and I wanna know whether I can change them with those 3 metal stripes (I don't know what are they called but I guess you know what am I talking about).Can I change those or I need to do some drilling on the frame in order to put those??

I will be waiting for someone who really knows to answer my question and dilema.

Thanx again for your quick replies guys.
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:54 pm quote
Here are some people giving reviews that actually own one...maybe you can get in touch with them? It looks exactly like a PX

http://www.mouthshut.com/category/LML_Scooters_reviews-925041.html
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:19 pm quote
A '91 is old enough that it could be significantly different from the bikes LML is producing today.

You're right, all you're getting here is speculation.

My speculation is that although the basic architecture and many replacement parts will be the same, you will find differences in things like electrical and trim. Maybe lack of autolube, etc.

On your floor strip question, you will likely need to drill holes to rivet in the floor strips in place of the rubber mats.
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:25 am quote
Well that is what I think too.Cause electric on this LML NV isn't working,so I don't know whether I can replace it with the electrical parts from PX...
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:47 pm quote
So where are you ROVER ERIC???? People say that you are my one and only hope to solve the dilema about LML NV and Piaggio PX ))

I went to see that LML NV 150cc from 1991,and electric isn't working.A mechanic said that I should buy REGLER(I don't know the word in Englisch sorry).The mechanic said that when new REGLER is put,everithing LIGHTS,INDICATORS,HORN will work.So people HELP now if you can.
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:02 pm quote
juno106 wrote:
So where are you ROVER ERIC???? People say that you are my one and only hope to solve the dilema about LML NV and Piaggio PX ))

I went to see that LML NV 150cc from 1991,and electric isn't working.A mechanic said that I should buy REGLER(I don't know the word in Englisch sorry).The mechanic said that when new REGLER is put,everithing LIGHTS,INDICATORS,HORN will work.So people HELP now if you can.
It's a risk of a forum that people might not get back to you... they can't respond if they aren't around a computer, after all. In Eric's case, he's at a big scooter rally, so he's probably out scooting and having a blast at the moment.

It sounds to me like the "regler" is the regulator. If you have a cooked regulator that will knock your electrical system down a peg or two If the mechanic is correct and it just needs a new regulator then it is an easy fix, just one part ~$80.

Whether a PX one will work or not FOR SURE is not known to me, but my guess is it will. The trick is different P-series years have different designs.

I would just buy the scoot. You seem to really want it. The electrical systems are not very complicated, so we can definitely help you work through the troubles. If you pick up the scoot, and take pictures of the regulator, we can probably make sure you buy the correct replacement
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:46 pm quote
Juno, most people here know what they are talking about. You have enough information to make an informed decision. Good luck, and let us know what you decide.

ps, you don't have to such a...whatever you wanna call it.
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:57 am quote
Guys YES I REALLY WANT A VESPA.I'm searching for one for allready 2 years now.I found some but I didn't wanted to spend that much money ,because I need to repair it and spend more money.So I found this cheaper PIAGGIO VESPA LML NV and I would like to spend some money and make it like new one .

And probably tomorrow I will buy it and I hope that some bigger problem will not arise.I went and saw VESPA with some friend mechanic who rides motors,and he said that the motor of the NV is great,and other things can be fixed,so I will buy it tomorrow cause I can't search any more.I'm sick of it .It is LML NV,not original Italina VESPA but I think it is the same ,and it is a little bit cheaper,so it will be a good deal I think.
Thanks for your advices and help for now.After I buy it I will send you some pics and you can see it.
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:38 am quote
Haha.. come on, you all can answer his questions! You don't need me!

I've actually never heard of this "NV" as we're calling it. What we ultimately need to figure out is - what year PX copy is it?

I mean, the Stella is basically a 1985 PX150 with a hydraulic disc brake and electric start ( and a bodged on reed-valve ), some pattern copy bitubos, etc.

So ...is this NV a copy from a specific model PX, or is it a branch off the vespa tree that sorta evolved on it's own? What features does it boast?

I think that the stella competes with the modern PX150's... maybe not in the quality control, but it certainly boasts more amenities than the stock PX150 does... so, it's cheaper, and with more 'options'.

Post some pics of this NV so i can see what it looks like.

Don't confuse the matter too much, though. You gotta just decide if having a licensed copy of an italian bike that's really made in india is a bothersome thing to you or not. It certainly hasn't been an issue for people in the US, as Stellas have been a successful product.
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:09 am quote
There are diferences but they are relatively minor. Mostly cosmetic and electrical. I have a road test and review of the NV somewhere in my archive of magazines. I'll see if I can dig it out if I find the time.
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:13 am quote
ROVER ERIC finaly showed up

First registration is from 1991.It has PIAGGIO badge on it but it has LML VESPA too on the front.

I guess it is made in Indian LML factory while PIAGGIO and LML had partnership deal since 1986 untill 199..something.They made NV and T5 models in LML factoryThen Piaggio pulled out of that partnership,but LML still had machines for production of copy of NV (PX copy) and continued to made clones of VESPA but with other names.

So I guess this one NV from 1991 is the same PX but made in LML factory,cause it has PIAGGIO badge on it.But there are some minor differencies in electrics (I still don't know what exactly are they). And because this LML VESPA that I want to buy has some electrical problem(lights,indicators and spedometer doesn't work) The mechanic supposedly said that it needs new REGLER ,and everything will start working,but I'm afraid if it is some bigger more expencive problem.That's why I need to know if someone is familiar with LML NV and if electrical parts are completely the same with Italian PX.Tomorrow I'm going to buy that NV ,so I need to know before I buy it.Is it a big problem with electric or no?

Thanks again guys,and sorry for bothering you
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:22 am quote
So..i think you mean it needs a new Regulator.

And, i assume it has a battery, right? or no?

If it has a battery, you actually need a RECTIFIER.

There's a couple different kinds of P200 rectifiers, but only 1 kind of regulator ( the 3-pole one ).
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:30 am quote
It has no ELECTRIC starter.So I have no idea about battery stuff.Actually this will be my first scooter ever,so I have no idea about motors.Is that expencive spare part or no? Cause I don't wanna pay half the price of the VESAP for that part only...........
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:35 am quote
Well, chances are the one you are looking at is a european model, which means it likely doesn't have a battery..and will only need a 3-pole regulator, which is a cheap part. Maybe 35 bucks?
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:35 am quote
juno106 wrote:
It has no ELECTRIC starter.So I have no idea about battery stuff.Actually this will be my first scooter ever,so I have no idea about motors.Is that expencive spare part or no? Cause I don't wanna pay half the price of the VESAP for that part only...........
The scoot might have a battery even without electric starter. US P200s, for example, have batteries despite being kickstart only. As I posted up above, rectifiers will probably run you 60-90 dollars depending on what sort of sources you have... expensive but not half the price of the scooter


*Edit* Eric is probably right, though, that you're looking at a non-battery setup. Apparently the 3 pole regulators are cheaper as well.
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:47 am quote
Well Eric,it is a European model of LML Vespa cause I'm in Europe.I'm not from USA.That's why you probably haven't heard of Piaggio LML NV Vespa.
So you guys think that that might be the only problem and it is not expensive? So then I guess I will buy it tomorrow and search for that part to order.I hope that everything else is working when I get that part (lights,indicators,horn,spedometer)...

Here I found some pics where you can see how it looks like.This one I found on the pic is from 1992,so I guess this is the same model as the one I want to buy.

LML NV 1992.jpg

LML NV 1992.....jpg

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Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:01 am quote
juno106 wrote:
Well Eric,it is a European model of LML Vespa cause I'm in Europe.I'm not from USA.That's why you probably haven't heard of Piaggio LML NV Vespa.
So you guys think that that might be the only problem and it is not expensive? So then I guess I will buy it tomorrow and search for that part to order.I hope that everything else is working when I get that part (lights,indicators,horn,spedometer)...

Here I found some pics where you can see how it looks like.This one I found on the pic is from 1992,so I guess this is the same model as the one I want to buy.
I wouldn't order the part just yet... wait till you know for sure that it is a 3-pole regulator for a non-battery scooter. I think it probably IS, but why risk ordering the wrong part? The part is located on the left of the scoot under the left cowl. You'll also find out first hand if it has a battery if you look there
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:30 am quote
Hi guys

Today I went and had a deal with the owner and tomorrow he will bring me the LML NV VESPA and will pay him.
We went to the mechanic that repaired that VEspa and he said that I need a 4 pole Regulator.
My question is this now:Since I searched internet and there are only 3 and 5 pole regulators,can I use that 5 pole regulator and connect it (1 pole will stay unused) or should I search for the exact original 4-pole regulator???
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:37 am quote
So.. he said "4 pole regulator" ..but i think he meant "4 pole rectifier"

There's only a 3 polee regulator, and 4 and 5 pole rectifiers.

So, you need a 4 pole p-series rectifier.

http://[redacted].com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=530

or, if you wanted to spend way more money :

http://www.scooterworks.com/Rectifier_12_Volt_4_Pole_P532C455.cfm
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:54 am quote
Is this so expensive?????? He said that it is only around 40-50 Eur??? To be honest I have no idea if I need regulator od rectifier.He said just that it has 4 conections (and I don't know what is that)............So if this is what I need ,it is very expensive and I don't know whether I can find it here in Europe......Now I don't know what to do,really Eric......
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:01 pm quote
what do you mean? I'm sure you CAN get them in europe for 40-50 euro. Go buy one!

I'm just posting two prices for practically the same exact thing.

What's stupid is that there's about 30 cents worth of electrical components in that metal case. I don't see how they can justify selling it for $150 bucks at scooterworks.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:16 pm quote
Your post is a relief now
I will buy the Vespa tomorrow and maybe I can search for some second-hand rectifier in the mechanical shops,which will be cheaper.What do you think about buying a used one? Will it be OK and working for long time,or I shouldn't even consider of buying it?
If not I will search for a new one.After I take NV I will post a pic of her tomorrow.

Thanks again Rover Eric for your advices
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:17 pm quote
just buy the thing. We'll find you a cheap one.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:21 pm quote
That's not what he needs, Pajd. You posted a 3 pole REGULATOR. But if he has a battery, that won't work. He needs a rectifier... so, like ...this one could probably be bodged to work :

https://beedspeed.com/product_info.php/cPath/76_90_119/products_id/1664
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:22 pm quote
juno106 wrote:
Is this so expensive?????? He said that it is only around 40-50 Eur??? To be honest I have no idea if I need regulator od rectifier.He said just that it has 4 conections (and I don't know what is that)............So if this is what I need ,it is very expensive and I don't know whether I can find it here in Europe......Now I don't know what to do,really Eric......
I would imagine they are probably cheaper in Europe?
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:25 pm quote
That's what I needed now.I guy from UK

Where can I find the best and cheapest internet shop for Piaggio or LML Vespa spare parts? I have someone there who can bring it to me and I want to buy a many things in order to make that LML VEspa like new one?
Please if you know Pajd,give me the link

Thank you
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