P200 owners - drop your cowls and let me see it!
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1980 P200e, 1956 ACMA, 1979 P200e, 1974 Ciao
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:36 am quote
Hiya,

I bought my 1980 P200e a few months ago. It's got a 12v electrical system, but it's a real mess. The battery is literally held in with a bungee and some duct tape. The bracket to mount the spare tire is completely missing.

The diagrams I see in the manuals are nice, but I'd love to see what other people's battery and wiring look like, so I know what I should be shooting for as I clean mine up.

So, if you've got a moment, please take a picture of your P200e battery and wiring under the left cowl, and let me see!

Thanks so much!
Mike

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Ugly mess

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:56 am quote
Hm I'll try to get a picture a little later. There are a few funky looking things there, but the main thing is there is a battery tray which bolts onto the bolts in your picture. The battery actually sits in that tray and is held in place by a band of rubber, or "rubber band" if you will
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:31 am quote
trying to locate more

the close up shows an inline switch on the positive lead, this is NOT necessary.

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1978 P200E, 1963 GS 160
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:52 am quote
What a mess. I'll try to post one later today.

eta: Here's an old one. I'll try to get a better angle later.
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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:46 am quote
looks like they got you covered Your fuse setup is weird as well... the fuse should be of the manner depicted in this thread:
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic49704
That oblong fuse fits inside a little cylindrical fuse holder off to the side of the wiring there. You can kind of see it in Jimmy's pic - there are two red wires running off to the left in the foreground. Right behind them is another set of red wires hugging the left side of the battery tray. Those wires go into the white fuse-holder I've described. He has some yellow electrical tape or something on the bottom of the fuse holder, if that helps you identify the part to which I am referring

However, your jerry-rigged fuse is not a huge problem at the moment. If it works it works. I'd worry more about securing the battery better
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:54 am quote
i don't use theold porcelin fuses any more

i now run a blade fuse set up

the blade fuse arrangment in the top picis incorrect

your local auto store should have plenty of bladefuse holders

weaterproof and better imho

radio shack has em too

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:57 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
i don't use theold porcelin fuses any more

i now run a blade fuse set up

the blade fuse arrangment in the top picis incorrect

your local auto store should have plenty of bladefuse holders

weaterproof and better imho

radio shack has em too
interesting, thanks for the info Jimmy
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:06 am quote
ifyoumake the swap it is good tokeep the old twist holder for resell

some weirdo may want to put it back on

so he can have fun back twisting the holder before twisting together

oh yea, thats after he spent all day trying to locate the lame ole porcy fuses

i have a couple laying around i can show my grandkids

in all honest the old set up is'nt bad, i just simply like the blade type
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:25 pm quote
Here my New PX 2006





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1980 P200e, 1956 ACMA, 1979 P200e, 1974 Ciao
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:05 pm quote
Thanks for the pics
Thanks for the pics, gang. I cleaned up my battery and wiring situation significantly today. Someone, in the past, had put a fuse on the ground lead. I cut that out. I removed the original in-line fuse, since I couldn't find any fuses to replace the one that had blown in it. It now has a modern "blade" fuse socket on the positive leads.

It appears my battery is too tall. Someone must have replaced the old one with one that's too tall. It covers up the two mounting bolts for the spare tire.

Quick question... would the spare just bolt onto those two bolts at the top of the battery mount, or does it also secure down below? I see a bolt below and at the center of my battery. Does the spare bolt on in two places, or three?

Thanks!
Mike
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01 ET2 - 01 ET4 -- 05 GT200L / 05 PX150 / 1986? Honda CH150 Deluxe.
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:07 pm quote
How easy is it to remove the cowls with the side gaurds still on?

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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:17 pm quote
The hole under the battery receives the long bolt on the spare tire cover.

What? You don't have a spare tire cover?

Che vergogna.

- Eric

Last edited by MDchanic on Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:29 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:26 pm quote
i don't run a cover on my p

two bolts at the top are secure enough plus i don't like the look
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:29 pm quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
i don't run a cover on my p

two bolts at the top are secure enough plus i don't like the look
That's 'cause those plastic P covers look cheap.

- Eric
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Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:50 pm quote
MDchanic wrote:
jimmyb865 wrote:
i don't run a cover on my p

two bolts at the top are secure enough plus i don't like the look
That's 'cause those plastic P covers look cheap.

- Eric
you are oh so right
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:52 am quote
Ifixjets wrote:
How easy is it to remove the cowls with the side gaurds still on?
Undo the rear 13mm nut and the guard swings up and forwards.
Just another 30 seconds of work

Same guard in powdercote
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:06 am quote
Great, thanks for the updates gang! It would appear I'm lacking the cheap plastic cover for the lower part of the spare.

I don't mind much. I don't carry a spare. The P is so back heavy to begin with! I've got AAA to get me home, if I blow a tire on my work commute.
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:41 am quote
Ifixjets wrote:
How easy is it to remove the cowls with the side gaurds still on?
Just loose the rear nut (13 mm), and pull up the rear crash bar.
Done!!
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:25 am quote
Thanks
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:35 am quote
i cant beleive out of all the p series owners here only a couple of us have stepped up and really showed pics of the wiring and battery

come on guys and gals, read the post and pull your cowls and show us

or are you lazy or chicken or too ashamed of the condition that the battery and wiring is in.
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01 ET2 - 01 ET4 -- 05 GT200L / 05 PX150 / 1986? Honda CH150 Deluxe.
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:53 am quote
Here is a battery tray and strap from ScooterWorks....

http://www.scooterworks.com/Battery_Tray_P_Series_P539C446.cfm

http://www.scooterworks.com/Strap_Battery_P1632C446.cfm

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:59 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
i cant beleive out of all the p series owners here only a couple of us have stepped up and really showed pics of the wiring and battery

come on guys and gals, read the post and pull your cowls and show us

or are you lazy or chicken or too ashamed of the condition that the battery and wiring is in.
I can still get a pic up if the OP wants... I just figured if you've seen one good setup then you've seen them all. And yours, Jimmy, is more than good
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:14 pm quote
xantufrog wrote:
I can still get a pic up if the OP wants... I just figured if you've seen one good setup then you've seen them all. And yours, Jimmy, is more than good
I'm all set, folks. What I lack is the strap from the post above, and a battery of the correct size to use said strap! lol.

I'll add both to my xmas list For bonus points, I'll look for the lower plastic cover for the spare, too. As I said, I wouldn't use it, but it would be nice to have with the bike.

Thanks,
Mike
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Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:49 pm quote
your mc shop will have the battery

there's two sizes that fit that tray

get the smaller one, the bigger one is thicker and the wheel cover wont fit
Veni, Vidi, Posti
px200 cutdown,px180,px150. Puch SR. Puch scooterette
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:53 am quote
my battery is a YUASA---Yumicron -----YB9-B


or failing that the dimensions are give or take a millimetre or two


height-140mm
depth-73or75mm
width-134mm



best of luck
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:10 pm quote
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:09 am quote
joshzingzing wrote:
it
oooh lala

thats tight
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