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Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:48 am quote
My MP3 500 has developed the dreaded steering notch...

I think that a consolidated thread with a list of owners who have this issue might be a good idea.

If you are an MP3 owner that have had your front end steering bearings go bad, please list the year and model of your MP3 and the approximate milage that this issue began to present itself. Also, if the job has been completed, please state the total time your MP3 was out of commission.

We should try to keep our statements brief and to the point as to not clog up this tread with too many peripheral details and comments. I put some links at the bottom where we can all add to the discussion. This thread is just for collecting basic user data on this issue. Thank you!!

Edit by Jimc - I'm deleting any post not conforming to the above plea.

I'll begin:

2009 MP3 500
Purchase date August, 2008
Bearings starting to go @ 7700 miles


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For more discussion & info, please check out these other links about this subject:

http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic49188?highlight=notch
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic44951?highlight=notch
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic41227?highlight=notch
http://mp3scooterclub.co.uk/cgi-bin/topic_show.pl?tid=421
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic49428?highlight=notchy
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic28024?highlight=notchy
http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic28024?highlight=notchy

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Last edited by dkrz123 on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:23 am; edited 1 time in total
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Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:53 am quote
7,300 miles. Done as per manual, no back-off.
8,200 miles. Done with 90 degree back-off.
13,250 miles. Done with 115 degree back-off.
All done within a day - first time was all day though!

Now with 23,500 miles on the clock, no further problems.
Local dealer (CBS Whitton) can now do these in 3.5 hrs.
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2008 MP3 400
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Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:49 pm quote
07 250
6,000 miles
7 weeks in shop
$ 900.00 US for labor
Dealer had no clue. I was starting to feel a slight notchy sensation again when the bike was totaled.
Solved that problem.
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MP3 250
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Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:00 pm quote
I would have 2 say after 40000 miles when I had my fuel pump replaced. They pressure washed my front end and the bearings aren't sealed. I just keep spraying the bearings with grease and it works..



Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:50 pm
This post was not quite
What we were hoping to see
Try again, perhaps?
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Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:56 am quote
This is approximate as it was some time ago (about 9 months) and on a different scoot.

Was my 250 2007 model.
About 7000 miles.
Noticed notching - dealing wouldn't/couldn't do under warranty - cost me about 300.
Second one went weeks later - they did that free and chased Piaggio for money - don't know if they got it.
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:04 am quote
Fuoco 500 2007
17,000 kms (not yet changed it to miles)

Still riding it as only booked into dealers to sort out this Saturday
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:25 am quote
Fuoco 500 2007
bearings done at 6000miles under warranty, now at 13000 miles with no probs
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:52 am quote
Re: MP3 owners w/ bearing issue "notch" please sig
JimC - I know you are going to edit this, but what is a steering notch and how is it identified?
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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:24 am quote
Steering "notch"#611965

Worth reading the whole topic.
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:02 pm quote
2007 MP3 250
Purchase date July, 2008
Bearings starting to go @ 9000 miles

At 9300 miles I took it in for the notch fix. I also replaced my rear tire again with a Pirelli Diablo. It was the holidays so in shop for about a week.

My dealer - Vespa Sherman Oaks took good care of me. Great people and great service. They always take the time to get me safe for the road again. I'm very grateful.
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:05 pm quote
gopam wrote:
2007 MP3 250
Purchase date July, 2008
Bearings starting to go @ 9000 miles

At 9300 miles I took it in for the notch fix. I also replaced my rear tire again with a Pirelli Diablo. It was the holidays so in shop for about a week.

My dealer - Vespa Sherman Oaks took good care of me. Great people and great service. They always take the time to get me safe for the road again. I'm very grateful.
which size tire did you have installed?
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:16 pm quote
old as dirt wrote:
gopam wrote:
2007 MP3 250
Purchase date July, 2008
Bearings starting to go @ 9000 miles

At 9300 miles I took it in for the notch fix. I also replaced my rear tire again with a Pirelli Diablo. It was the holidays so in shop for about a week.

My dealer - Vespa Sherman Oaks took good care of me. Great people and great service. They always take the time to get me safe for the road again. I'm very grateful.
which size tire did you have installed?
GoPam did a 130/70/12.

Glad you are happy and safe Pam, nothing else matters.

Happy New Year
SDG

PS Out of the 100-150 of these we have sold, this is the first we have done this repair so I am unsure there is a mass problem of this worldwide.
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:18 am quote
ufo wrote:
I would have 2 say after 40000 miles when I had my fuel pump replaced. They pressure washed my front end and the bearings aren't sealed. I just keep spraying the bearings with grease and it works..
Hmmmm, kinda sounds like having a chain drive vehicle.
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:39 am quote
SDG wrote:
PS Out of the 100-150 of these we have sold, this is the first we have done this repair so I am unsure there is a mass problem of this worldwide.
You have to consider the mileage - and also that Piaggio did address the problem (to some small extent) in their factory. At least the latest manuals refer to some back-off (90 degrees) - but that's not enough in practice.

There's also the consideration that many MP3 riders have these as their first vehicles, and won't realise the 'notch' is there until it gets really bad. Those bitten once will spot it before it can be measured in any meaningful way.

CBS Whitton in the UK have told me that every single MP3 with over 10,000 miles that they sold from new has had this problem - turn-around time down to 3 hours to fix. J D Thompson of St Albans confirm. Cheekythomas of this and other forums (A R Motorcycles, Lowestoft) ensures every new MP3 now has the bearings adjusted at PDI - it only adds about 10mins to a properly done PDI.
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:10 pm quote
Well, as my 2nd job this year I have looked for the dreaded "notch" on our 2,700 mile 250 MP3. I put it on our MC lift(makes job a LOT easier ) and inspected the whole front suspension except for the upper bearings(couldn't see). I see no reason to go there at this time. But what I saw has shown that someone has greased the lower bearings with what looks like lithium grease. Nowhere is there visible rust and hardly any dirt of any kind. So I'm going to assume for now the bearings are lubed and fine. I have had none of the symptoms yet described.

I'm now thinking that maybe those who have reappearing problems either live near salt water, have salt on their roads, live with humid weather, or leave their MP3 outside all the time, none of which we do. I also don't ever plan on riding my MP3 in sand or dirt. Your results may vary.

Of course this all assumes your bearings were lubed before you got it.


After looking at the underside of our MP3............I have to say I didn't see any questionable materials or shortcuts taken. In fact I am impressed with the quality parts I saw, especially the front suspension design/materials used.

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Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:54 pm quote
For me Fuoco 500/MP3 500 2007
Problem with 10 000 kms
2 weeks immobilization taken under warranty for less than a year.

That's why, among other things, we did a petition in France that you can sign.

http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic57198
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:51 pm quote
OVO, in the EU you have a two-year warranty, and the bearings should always be done under warranty regardless of mileage. Piaggio will always reject the first attempt to claim, but a phone-call to Italy will sort it (if from a known competent dealer).
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:30 am quote
Argh! My 250 did it and now my 400...

It's a 57 plate.
16000 miles.
A very noticeable 'notch' making filtering annoying, though not too dangerous as long as I remember I have to man-handle it a bit to get it to do what I want.
Just out of warranty.... double argh!

One word of warning: I did get the bearings adjusted, but they had been overtight from the factory for a good long while, so it seems the damage was already done. Don't leave it til too late! If you're getting a new one, make sure it's part of the PDI.
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:14 pm quote
I bought a used 2007 MP3 250cc with only 2700 miles. Got it for only 1 month and realized that at slow speed it was sometimes difficult to go straight.
My MP3 is not anymore under warranty...I have just bougt 2 bearing "32008" from UK and I'm planning to change them by myself. I hope it does not require special tools to change them. Any tips will be welcome.
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MP3 400
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:12 am quote
MP3 400 steering bearings
MP3 400 2008 model, steering'notch' noticed.

8000 miles and MOT due, awaiting repair and bike for sale now.
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:45 am quote
2007 MP3 250
Purchased new November 2007
Notch at 31,000 miles
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:32 am quote
Fuoco - 2010

9,400 miles - notch - replaced under warranty after a fair bit of 'negotiation'
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:03 am quote
2016 500 business. 600 miles. Still in shop as Italy is shut for August. Shop had a couple of days so far. 04.08.16
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2009 MP3 400
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:41 am quote
Welcome, Emlyn.

Are you saying your bike developed the steering bearing notch after 600 miles?
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:58 am quote
Bullshit the parts are in stock in the warehouse in lyon that one isn't closed otherwise i got plenty in stock

and i guess that the handle are loose instead of the bearings after only 600 miles or you have done the 600miles contious curb on and off with the bike
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:42 pm quote
ramblerdan wrote:
Welcome, Emlyn.

Are you saying your bike developed the steering bearing notch after 600 miles?
Yes, brand new bike 600 miles only. One set has notched but they are going to replace both, I guess that this is only the bottom sets.
I am going to ring up Friday to see what is happening. Will let you all know the outcome.
Emlyn
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:29 am quote
Emlyn wrote:
ramblerdan wrote:
Welcome, Emlyn.

Are you saying your bike developed the steering bearing notch after 600 miles?
Yes, brand new bike 600 miles only. One set has notched but they are going to replace both, I guess that this is only the bottom sets.
I am going to ring up Friday to see what is happening. Will let you all know the outcome.
Emlyn
Hi everyone. I am going to move this thread to the main forum. I apologise to jimc for hijacking his data collecting post. It will be under 600mile notch.
I expect jimc will delete these queries as mentioned in the original post.
regards
Emlyn
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:48 am quote
No deletions necessary - it's all good info.

Let us know the outcome in your new thread.
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:03 am quote
2009 MP3 400. Bought 2015 .
Noticed notch at 23500km
Quoted 500 at local dealer- may do it myself
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:11 am quote
I have never had the problem, but own the Grease Tool and pump Marine Grease in mine every winter since the technical bulletin came out and it was posted here.

I owned two 2009 MP3/250's, they were bone dry from Piaggio.
I got one in 2010, and the other which I still have in 2011 new from Dealer.

I traded one of the MP3/250's (Oldest one) in for a 2016 MP3/500 Sport ABS in 2015. You can clearly see the white looking grease from Piaggio on this bike. They must have learned their lesson?

Keith,
Marietta, GA
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:14 am quote
klaborde wrote:
They must have learned their lesson?
not dreaming my friend .....
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:18 am quote
So, it is possible that mp3 could come totally dry in those bearings? That's why it swallowed that much grease
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:59 am quote
Jah wrote:
So, it is possible that mp3 could come totally dry in those bearings? That's why it swallowed that much grease
It was a lot doing both top and bottom on each side.
I am sure that could be the reason why the Technical Bulletin came out and the Dealers started selling the Bolt with the Grease fitting in it right after.
Since then, it only takes a few pumps to make it leak out the seals now.

Keith,
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:09 am quote
2009 MP3 500 18000km and I have no clue really what the notch problem is.
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:05 pm quote
By the way, I just bought a regular bolt and drilled it through. Then used a syringe (inserted tightly its nose to the drilled hole in the bolt). Works just fine
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:14 am quote
Jah wrote:
By the way, I just bought a regular bolt and drilled it through. Then used a syringe (inserted tightly its nose to the drilled hole in the bolt). Works just fine
You don't even need to do that. If you remove one bolt at a time its easy to force grease into the hole with any grease gun adapted with a soft nozzle. The through holes are very big and grease easily squeezes through the bearings top and bottom. As its inadvisable to leave the hollow bolts in place permanently this is the easiest solution.
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:25 am quote
Yep, but I didn't have grease gun, neither wanted to buy it And I tried to use expensive grease (though two small tubes were not enough because my mp3 was dry there, thus I had to add lots of cheap lithium grease)
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:20 am quote
richbloom wrote:
I have no clue really what the notch problem is.
Extensively discussed. Time to warm up the search.
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:31 am quote
20,000 2009 mp3 500. No more problems, 25,000 as of now
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