Do You Think It's Wise?
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:54 pm quote
How many members take their kids on the back of their scoots?
My boy is now 11 and, I feel, old enough to travel on the back of me.I've taken him around the block once but I'm not too sure about going for a "proper" ride with him.
Obviously he'd have plenty of protection on,FF helmet,armour jacket,gloves,boots etc and I have plenty of experience of riding alone and with a pillion so that is not an issue.My main concern is from other road users i.e cars.
Would I be putting him at too great a risk?
I'd be interested in what you think.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:09 pm quote
Still no opinions on that link though.I want to weigh up the pros and cons.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:11 pm quote
i'd do it. i have friends whose kids around that age ride dirt bikes by themselves on closed tracks. if all he has to do is hold on, i see no problem. then again, i ride around with a 3 year old.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:42 pm quote
He was at risk as soon as he was born. He's an 11 year old boy. If he's not riding his own mini-bike, dirt-bike, etc., he should at least be able to enjoy riding on the back of your scooter. Just about anything that's fun is a bit risky. His mother might turn out to be a hard sell.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:08 pm quote
I am thinking about buying a puppy and riding around with him in the top case...an opened top case of course. If I am remotely thinking about putting a puppy in a top case, an eleven year old should do just fine on the back of a scooter.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:13 pm quote
If either of my parents took me on a scooter at that age it would have been a blast. Of course, you may have to get used to the idea of your son asking for a scooter for every birthday, holdiday, etc. until he gets one.

Keep in mind that I don't have any kids (yet), and that if my 11 year old wanted to I would probably be hesitant and wait another 7 years.

My only opinion would be that I would only do it if you will be comfortable riding with your son. If worrying about his safety on the scooter will be a distraction, then maybe not just yet.

What about taking a practice/fun ride in a parking lot somewhere until you both get comfortable?

Well, that's my two cents but I don't know how useful it is.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:16 pm quote
I see nothing wrong with taking kids on scooters (with the proper safety gear of course). I'd love to take my 10 year old grand daughter for short trips on my scooter...I just have to convince my wife and daughter that it's a good idea...now that's a tough sell...
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:29 pm quote
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Only protective gear was a thick cotton diaper!

I was riding mini-bikes when I was 6 or so, and rode motorcycles all around the farm by the time I was 10 or 11. I turned out OK.

I take my 9 year old daughter with me. Up to 50 miles one day. Many times she's on there at 50 MPH or so. She has a good full face helmet, but no other motorcycle gear. When we are going on a real ride, she's in long pants, shoes with socks, a jacket, and sometimes gloves. But on occasion, when I pick her up from after school and ride the 2 miles home, she might have flip flops, shorts, and a tank top. We'll put the flops in the pet carrier, and ride directly home. Yes, I feel extremely vulnerable at these times, and I take extra extra caution. That doesn't make it a lot safer, and I still feel sick sometimes thinking about what *could* happen. But some risks are to be taken, or else life is boring. She enjoys it, but is too young to really decide on her own safety. We decide for her, and take responsibility for our decisions.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:36 pm quote
I ride with all three of my kids (not at same time) and they are 11, 15 and 16...my only problem is that my 11 year old is getting way too big and heavy and I can really feel it when I ride with him...so, I am riding less and less with them now [LX150]
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:39 pm quote
Use your own common sense. You know your child are they a wiggle worm? What age? Can they sit still for any length of time? Personally i don't think age is all that. If the child can sit still obey orders why not. Do you have a driveway that has grass on both sides? Try going up and dow it aee how they do. If you have to drop it the grass would be a softer landing than concrete. i was riding a mini bike a 7. Have fun.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:45 pm quote
Smorris wrote:
Here's me on my dad's Allstate 51 years ago.



Only protective gear was a thick cotton diaper!

That is the coolest pic...
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:11 pm quote
HULKING WAR MACHINE wrote:
That is the coolest pic...
Thanks, sorta poor quality. It is snapped from a home movie I have of me riding with Dad.

Here's more. I was trying to identify Dad's scoot at the time.

http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/791730
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:20 pm quote
You can be the safest rider on Earth but if some bonehead cager cuts you off and you go down, and your son gets hurt (or worse), you'll never forgive yourself and no one else will either. Besides that, it'll ruin riding for both of you for a long time to come.

But what is the liklihood of that? Here in Manhattan, well, let's put it this way - my son doesn't ride with me. He can wait a few years and so can I. But what about where you live? Is the risk acceptable?

Tough decision. One size does not fit all.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:53 pm quote
Very cool pic.

I new it was 8mm the minute I saw the pic.

I have a similar film of myself with my dad, only on a Ski-Doo.

An old yellow Bombardier with open engine. Man, my whole snow-suit would reek gasoline everytime I rode it.

Sweet memories. Good idea to archive all that footage to DVD.

Here's a little smomething I found on safety.

TO ALL THE KIDS
WHO SURVIVED the
1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while
they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't
get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby
cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and
when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took
hitchhiking.

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster
seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special
treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with
sugar, but we weren't overweight because . .

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were
back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day.
And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride
down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the
bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at
all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no
surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers, no
Internet or chat rooms..........

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in
us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or
rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who
didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem
solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned

HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

If YOU are one of them . . . CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow
up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our
lives for our own good.

And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how
brave (and lucky) their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't
it?!
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:20 pm quote
thanks Frosty!
that brought back a lot of good memories!
But really, yeah I think it depends on the kid. I remember riding on the back of motorcycles when I was 10. Wow! Probably explains a lot about me now.
But yeah, if you think the kid will follow instructions, and you're going for low-risk rides, go for it.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:25 pm quote
I am a mom of two older boys and as long as they had all protective gear I would and have taken them. You know your riding skills and how your child is so use your best judgement. If you think it's dangerous to ride a scooter then certainly to be a passenger is. If you want to see how it goes start with small rides then go longer.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:25 pm quote
Frosty wrote:
As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster
seats, seat belts or air bags.
Hey, I had a car seat!

Of course, it was all metal, and had a toy steering wheel (also metal) conveniently located where, in the event of a crash, I could smack my head into it just like daddy!
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:29 pm quote
Frosty, that is perfect! I'm going to get my scissors right now!
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:33 pm quote
Frosty thank you for that. Brought back some wild memories. At the ripe ole age of 48 I actually did most of that and made it this far, Beale,
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:45 pm quote
When I was a kid (100 years ago, at least ), we took dirt bikes camping. My parents would each load a kid on the back (probably 8 or 10 or 12 years old) and off we would go. Shorts, flip flops, certainly no helmets. We survived, nothing bad happened, and it was all kinds of fun. But I sure wouldn't do it now.
And I don't know who that woman was that was impersonating my mother, but my mother would never, never be that daring.
Ah, good times, good times. . .
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:53 pm quote
I take my 15-year-old daughter on my little 125cc scooter all the time. She absolutely loves it, and loves being the envy of all her friends. Only problem is, she get's her automobile learners permit in a few months, and is already lobbying for a M1 licensce... Funny that I have no problem with her riding with me, but the thought of her being on a scooter or motorcyle alone gives me the heebie jeebies. I think I'll make her wait a few years, till she learns how to navigate California traffic in a vehicle that affords at least some crash protection, before she can scoot solo....
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:23 pm quote
Frosty wrote:
Very cool pic.

I new it was 8mm the minute I saw the pic.

I have a similar film of myself with my dad, only on a Ski-Doo.

An old yellow Bombardier with open engine. Man, my whole snow-suit would reek gasoline everytime I rode it.

Sweet memories. Good idea to archive all that footage to DVD.

Here's a little smomething I found on safety.

TO ALL THE KIDS
WHO SURVIVED the
1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while
they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't
get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby
cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and
when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took
hitchhiking.

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster
seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special
treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with
sugar, but we weren't overweight because . .

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were
back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day.
And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride
down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the
bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at
all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no
surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers, no
Internet or chat rooms..........

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in
us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it
would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or
rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who
didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem
solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned

HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

If YOU are one of them . . . CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow
up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our
lives for our own good.

And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how
brave (and lucky) their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't
it?!
I did the gocart thing. No brakes. Then lots of trial and error brakes. The hills were great. The five horse Briggs and Stratton engine later on was LOUD. CVT we kinda figured out with some huge help from a few parents who I swear had as much fun as we did building those things.

I can remember riding around the neighborhood with our pellet guns across our handlebars and no one being worried. Not even the police. Man, those were the days.


You decide what you want to do with your kid. This is after all America and you have the right to make those choices. I wouldn't stand in your wat if I agreed with you or not. Because how you raise your kids is up to you and not the community.


RB
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:06 pm quote
Thanks, Frosty! That was perfect!

<--- Rolled mercury in the cracks in hardwood floors and rubbed it on pennies to make them look like steel ones.

<--- Now has no hair, and is only slightly mentally disturbed.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:20 pm quote
Damn SMorris, I had completely forgot about Mercury.

I remember now playing with it alot, keeping it in film caps.

Only diff is, I still have my hair.

CHeers

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Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:27 pm quote
It's a world gone PC mad producing 'cotton wool kids'. Thanks Frosty!

My girls will be on my Vespa as soon as I am legally allowed to pillion in November. They already have turns in the driveway and they can't wait to go for a 'real ride'.
Do I think about them coming to harm? Of course but I will also be taking them snorkelling in the tropics next week....did someone say 'shark'. I took them indoor rock climbing last school hols'...did someone say 'fall'.

Life is for living.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:53 pm quote
I'm not about to tell anyone what they can do with their own kids. But asserting that because "everything fun is dangerous" or that because a lot of activities carry some degree of risk, it's okay to scoot with your kids is logically unsound. I was bothered when this type of reasoning was used on ModernBuddy to excuse an inexperienced rider who attempted a wheelie while wearing no gear other than a helmet and crashed. If she wants to do that, fine, but let's not use fallacy to justify that or any other risky behavior.

It's been repeatedly stated that every time we get on our scoots we are knowingly taking on varying degrees of risk that we find acceptable and are willing to accept the consequences of that risk. Riding with a passenger of any age (or species) is no different. Your judgment and assessment of you and your kids' capabilities are far more reliable, and responsible, than faulty reasoning.

If I get hurt in a crash (knock on wood), I can say I knew the risks, did it anyway, and now must deal with whatever comes of that. I'm just not sure a rider could say the same or would be so cavalier if they were responsible for someone else's injuries, particularly a child's.
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:49 am quote
This is a very individual choice one makes, and it will be different depending on one's personal history and circumstances. To me, the issue is straight forward. My 6 and 10 year old boys can not make an informed choice, and trust me to help keep them safe. I would have trouble coping if something happened to them. When they are older, we can re-visit the issue. For now, they have to keep to their bicycles.

We don't have extended family. My wife won't ride with me because of her concern that if we are hit by someone, who would be around to care for the boys? I can't disagree with that.
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:23 am quote
This is a great thread
Man, there are some excellent thoughts on this thread. People are firm about their opinions yet are willing to let others make up their own minds.

Talk about level headed and informative.

THIS is a great place to be.

RB
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:56 am quote
Boulty wrote:
Life is for living.
Amen.
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:32 am quote
Re: Do You Think It's Wise?
Vando wrote:
How many members take their kids on the back of their scoots? My boy is now 11 and, I feel, old enough to travel on the back of me.
Vando, If you know your son and can trust him, do it. BTW, when my son was 11, he was riding BMX and 2up on my husband's Kawasaki, so I think as long as he can hold on to you, he's ok.

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Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:45 am quote
I've taken my 11-month old daughter on spins around the block. One hand on her, one on the handle bars. We don't go more than 10mph, so I think it's safe. There aren't really any helmets that fit her, so she goes bareheaded.

She looooves it, and usually won't get off the scooter without a big to-do.
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:29 pm quote
Re: Do You Think It's Wise?
Vando wrote:
How many members take their kids on the back of their scoots?
My boy is now 11 and, I feel, old enough to travel on the back of me.I've taken him around the block once but I'm not too sure about going for a "proper" ride with him.
Obviously he'd have plenty of protection on,FF helmet,armour jacket,gloves,boots etc and I have plenty of experience of riding alone and with a pillion so that is not an issue.My main concern is from other road users i.e cars.
Would I be putting him at too great a risk?
I'd be interested in what you think.
Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions on this.
Come Saturday me and my scooterdude are off on a little one hour ride.Nothing too far.Just to another country![work that one out non-Uk members!!]
Seriously thank you for your input on,for me ,a big decision.
I'll let you know how it went.
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Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:19 am quote
Oh no,the Welsh are invading!!


Seriously,good luck,mate.Watch out for those high winds forecast though..
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:43 pm quote
My mom used to make me ride home from (American) football practice-when especially muddy- in the trunk (boot) of our Plymouth Sport Satellite. (I held the lid open with my helmeted head). I thought it was a hoot! She'd be in jail doing that today. Wish I had that car (giant 1960's coupe).

I've taken my oldest as a passenger when over 18 (helmeted). My youngest keeps asking and I tell her when she's 13 with ff helmet and armored jacket.
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:00 pm quote
30k with my daughter
When I first bought my BMW in '77 my daughter was the one to go on trips with me (starting at age 3). I figured she'd gone about 30k with me over a period of a few years until she was 13 and then didn't really want to go any more.

Kids are great on motorcycles/scooters, get them the correct gear and maybe some heated gear to make them as comfortable as possible. They seem to naturally be in to it.
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