why is T5 engine knows as the best p-series engine??
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:20 am quote
well since this few months i have this thing hang in in my mind about why is T5 engine been said as the best engine among p-series what are the different and where is the potential.. i am curious and its in a positive ways, i know it have a bigger carb and gears also clutch but i need more info about this engine as i dont think its ever been market at my place

anyone want to share their knowledge with me??

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Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:23 am quote
The T5 had 5 ports instead of 3 and an aluminum cylinder.

It's a bad ass motor straight from the factory.
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:31 am quote
for a 125cc engine, it's power output is roughly equivalent of that of a P200.

And THEN you can kit it up to 172cc.
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:01 pm quote
was gonna put this in me other thread when you asked but saw this so here goes...................

t5 as vlb says is a 5port aluminum so it cools better than p lumps ... out of the box its as fast as a p200 and its 10bhp 1 less than the p2... i think they both do about 65mph.......... its the only scooter in the uk that you can take your full geared motorcycle licence on............

... ive only had one standard t5 and it was straight after owning a p125 and wow what a difference than i kitted it with a polini 152 and another wow was added.............. ive had 4 and the one im now running has been in 3 different frames ... i once raced a ts1 lammy and he only got away cos he had bigger balls than me doing 80mph sat upright on a yankee seat is very scarey he would probably beat me on a straight but i never found out.........

... i love them they seem bulletproof to me and dont think they can be compared with any other geared vespa.... they are a winner in my toptrumps ...... and now with the kegra 190 kit wooooooo


im sure ive got summat wrong in there but its all from me head so speeds might be a little fast but who really cares
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:18 pm quote
try to find a pic of the transfers on the case and all your questions will be answered.
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:21 pm quote
heres a malossi kit for standard 3 port engines.

http://drunkmunkey6969.googlepages.com/11082007570.jpg/11082007570-full.jpg

and now a kit for a T5

http://ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/readspeed/images/dsc01420.jpg

the T5 cylinder is only a stock one. i wish i could find a pic of the engine cases with the transfers pointed toward the camera, its so fuckin cool.
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:28 pm quote
Here in Europe the best Vespa engine ever is considered the 200 one, not T5 ...

The T5 engine is considered the sportiest engine that Piaggio has ever mounted on The PX series ...

T5 is acronym of 5 ( cinque ) Travasi what's mean 5 ports ...
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:04 pm quote
The T5 also has a shorter stroke crank reducing stress on the webs (the weakest link on the p200), and piston and allowing higher RPM.
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:38 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
The T5 also has a shorter stroke crank reducing stress on the webs (the weakest link on the p200), and piston and allowing higher RPM.
i'm glad patrick pointed this out

i'm not a pro but there is more math to this equation than just ports

there's crank stroke

piston cut

barrel lay out

and a 24g carb that for some factory reason is different than the 24e

with all that taken into consideration there is also research and development and factory tuning

so from the showroom floor the 125 t5 was designed to be aggresive and p series dependable

they were succesfull
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:53 am quote
Scighera wrote:
Here in Europe the best Vespa engine ever is considered the 200 one, not T5 ...

The T5 engine is considered the sportiest engine that Piaggio has ever mounted on The PX series ...

T5 is acronym of 5 ( cinque ) Travasi what's mean 5 ports ...
i know lots that would argue with that .... not me ...........the p2 is the workhorse and the t5 is the sport yes but as a learner legal 17yr old kids first scoot ....... thank god for the t5
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:49 am quote
T5bitsa69 wrote:
Scighera wrote:
Here in Europe the best Vespa engine ever is considered the 200 one, not T5 ...

The T5 engine is considered the sportiest engine that Piaggio has ever mounted on The PX series ...

T5 is acronym of 5 ( cinque ) Travasi what's mean 5 ports ...
i know lots that would argue with that .... not me ...........the p2 is the workhorse and the t5 is the sport yes but as a learner legal 17yr old kids first scoot ....... thank god for the t5
Yes I agree with you that T5 is better for a young boy. but in overall 200 is considered the best one ... You said workhorse and it is true ... Vespa isn't invented as a sporty scooter ...

OK it's just question of our point of wiew ... remain the fact that both , T5 and 200, are great engines .... T5 is much better than normal 125 and in my opinion it' better than 150 too, but I met lots of people who disagree with me in 150 case ...
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:22 am quote
But the smallframe engine is still the best :P
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:22 pm quote
Smallframe engine ??? On small frame Vespa were mounted 50 cc, 80cc and 125cc engines of which 80 e 125 cc were mounted and on largeframe vespas too ...

The only one engine that were mounted only on smallframe is 50cc one ...
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:21 pm quote
i dont think patrick was refering to a smallframe on a p

he was using the : P symbol as a funny type

what he is saying though is that the p series is for the birds and the sframe is the only way to fly
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:24 pm quote
T5 cruises at 8700 rpm tops out at 11,000.
Bad ass.
Stalls from a stop two up unless you fan the hell out of the clutch.
Suck ass.
Solid fun bike for wailing on, not the best for putting around on.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:59 pm quote
what does a p rpm top out at, 7000?
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:17 pm quote
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what does a p rpm top out at, 7000?
Stock P200 stops about there.

All this engine talks putting me in the mood to kit my P200.
Nearly finished the bike. Then maybe the engine needs new seals and a speed bump.

T5 gets my vote as racy Vespa engine. Never had any complaints with the one I had.
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:38 pm quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
T5 cruises at 8700 rpm tops out at 11,000.
Bad ass.
Stalls from a stop two up unless you fan the hell out of the clutch.
Suck ass.
Solid fun bike for wailing on, not the best for putting around on.
very true... you actually have to RIDE a T5.
and they're not the most forgiving, either.

best,
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:18 am quote
wow thanks for sharing me the knowledge i think i get the point but is there any different about the T5 engine lay out isntead the 5 port and the short stroke like what about the cluch plate and the gears ratio also the ignition.. sorry for the lots of question i putting here, i just want to know the detail different about the engine lay out compare to other p series or other vespa engine as i try to figure out what engine that i should put under my sprint v hood and i dont like putting racing kitt in it so far i was seeing p 200 engine that a friend try to sold to me (with the frame and all thing although i will probally use the engine alone) as alternative but still i am curious about T5


ps : i really need to know the different in the engine to see what is different from other p series so i can figure out what part that i cannot buy here for maintance the engine as in my place T5 never market here so i afraid some part stuff werent able to find here that goes for p200 parts as well

many thanks
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:54 pm quote
T5 barrel:



P200 barrel:



P200 piston & T5 piston :



any questions?

best,
-greasy
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:36 am quote
Hysterical. Side by side the T5 makes the P2 look retarded. I never understood why Piaggio made the P2 barrel so pathetic. I mean they were doing three port 125s and the cases had three ports, so why skimp out on the 200?
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:16 am quote
my guess is if the factory had made the 200 as agressive as the t5 they would probably have to change the design on the whole motor case and internals. other wise it would just be torn apart.

the diff in ports is insane
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:29 am quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
Hysterical. Side by side the T5 makes the P2 look retarded. I never understood why Piaggio made the P2 barrel so pathetic. I mean they were doing three port 125s and the cases had three ports, so why skimp out on the 200?
Whaddya mean skimp out? The P200 has three ports.
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:29 am quote
Valimagdon wrote:
scootermarc69 wrote:
Hysterical. Side by side the T5 makes the P2 look retarded. I never understood why Piaggio made the P2 barrel so pathetic. I mean they were doing three port 125s and the cases had three ports, so why skimp out on the 200?
Whaddya mean skimp out? The P200 has three ports.
hmmm, yeah. I guess so. Wonder why they didn't utilize the case openings.
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:22 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
T5 barrel:



P200 barrel:



P200 piston & T5 piston :



any questions?

best,
-greasy
wow greasy ur the man do u have the pics of what inside the engine crank case i am curious to see whats in it

thanks
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:37 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
wow greasy ur the man do u have the pics of what inside the engine crank case i am curious to see whats in it

thanks
yeah, i meant to pull out my T5 cases and snap a picture next to the P2 ones and do the cranks and flywheels too... just got a little busy forking around.

anyway, gimme a day or so and i'll throw them up here.

best,
-greasy
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:00 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
wow greasy ur the man do u have the pics of what inside the engine crank case i am curious to see whats in it

thanks
yeah, i meant to pull out my T5 cases and snap a picture next to the P2 ones and do the cranks and flywheels too... just got a little busy forking around.

anyway, gimme a day or so and i'll throw them up here.

best,
-greasy
thanks mate, i am sorry if it bother u so much with all my curiousty and i dont know how to reply ur help also good luck with fixing ur fork

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Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:05 pm quote
Is it wrong to be sexually attracted tot he T5s ports and piston?

Heres a related question, I hear the gearing on the T5 transmission is longer than the 150 and 200, higher top end, ergo faster.

Be this true?


Daddy needs a new gearbox
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:45 pm quote
smudge wrote:
Is it wrong to be sexually attracted tot he T5s ports and piston?
no, not at all.
the T5 makes me tight in the pants too.
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Heres a related question, I hear the gearing on the T5 transmission is longer than the 150 and 200, higher top end, ergo faster.

Be this true?

Daddy needs a new gearbox
no. it's actually shorter.
well, sort of.

1st~3rd are the same as P2 EFL and then 4th is short to reduce the gap between 3 & 4 as to keep the revs up and in the power.

as the clutch is lower as well at 20T instead of 23.

best,
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:25 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
smudge wrote:
Is it wrong to be sexually attracted tot he T5s ports and piston?
no, not at all.
the T5 makes me tight in the pants too.
Quote:
Heres a related question, I hear the gearing on the T5 transmission is longer than the 150 and 200, higher top end, ergo faster.

Be this true?

Daddy needs a new gearbox
no. it's actually shorter.
well, sort of.

1st~3rd are the same as P2 EFL and then 4th is short to reduce the gap between 3 & 4 as to keep the revs up and in the power.

as the clutch is lower as well at 20T instead of 23.

best,
-greasy
wow so its 20T learning mode on.. arent sprint v have a 20T too i never compare or count it so i am blind, thanks for the knowledge u brought here mate

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Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:50 pm quote
So whats more fun to mod? I need something quick and can handle my heavy frame...not the bike either
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:51 pm quote
nope our sprint V have 22 tooth
but my PS have 23/66 gear combination with 6 springs (smaller than p200)
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:54 pm quote
veloce75 wrote:
nope our sprint V have 22 tooth
but my PS have 23/66 gear combination with 6 springs (smaller than p200)
what about my excel bro, its have a bigger clutch, can i put a T5 barrel and piston to get along with my excel engine

thanks for the knowledge brotha
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:12 pm quote
IIRC you have 21/68 combination
I dunno never done before... why dont you try RX king piston, and this is on my blue veloce now with riken piston

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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:22 pm quote
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IIRC you have 21/68 combination
I dunno never done before... why dont you try RX king piston, and this is on my blue veloce now with riken piston

i am sorry all my barrels should always never been oversize and rx king piston will be about 50 oversize right?? and i dont like the vibrate from using that piston zero oversize make my fuel cumpsumption low so didnt have to spend money to buy fuel

hey nino if u want a original veloce engine barrel i think i still have one but u need to oversize it as i scrach the wall back in 2004, i'll clean my warehouse and try to find it and give it to u

ps : a friend want to give me a T5 engine but i still worry about the spare part here thats why i want to look at the inside part to calculate what kind a part that available here and what are not (thats why i told her to postpone the shipping) i also wonder can my veloce adapt the barrel of T5
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:36 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
hey nino if u want a original veloce engine barrel i think i still have one but u need to oversize it as i scrach the wall back in 2004, i'll clean my warehouse and try to find it and give it to u

ps : a friend want to give me a T5 engine but i still worry about the spare part here thats why i want to look at the inside part to calculate what kind a part that available here and what are not (thats why i told her to postpone the shipping) i also wonder can my veloce adapt the barrel of T5
I'll be glad accept it for my silver veloce
I'm affraid you need to modified your crankcase mouth transfers and matched to the barrel to get its true potential (your case has 3 and the barrel has 5)
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:43 pm quote
wait till weekend when i get my hand free to work in warehouse and find that barrel for u bro yeah ur right i miss the point of that 5 barrel port well i just need to wait till greasy gave a snap shoot about the inner case look like so i can at least fin out what part that available here and what is not

nino there a px200 1991 sold only for me with price 1.800.000 is it too much, paper are death for few month and engine running good, dont ask the frame it suck trying to make it 1000.000 with double payment
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:50 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
wait till weekend when i get my hand free to work in warehouse and find that barrel for u bro yeah ur right i miss the point of that 5 barrel port well i just need to wait till greasy gave a snap shoot about the inner case look like so i can at least fin out what part that available here and what is not

nino there a px200 1991 sold only for me with price 1.800.000 is it too much, paper are death for few month and engine running good, dont ask the frame it suck trying to make it 1000.000 with double payment
Ok I'm waiting
go get it mate... you'll be shock if hear new barel+piston 200 that sold at otista
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:02 pm quote
veloce75 wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
wait till weekend when i get my hand free to work in warehouse and find that barrel for u bro yeah ur right i miss the point of that 5 barrel port well i just need to wait till greasy gave a snap shoot about the inner case look like so i can at least fin out what part that available here and what is not

nino there a px200 1991 sold only for me with price 1.800.000 is it too much, paper are death for few month and engine running good, dont ask the frame it suck trying to make it 1000.000 with double payment
Ok I'm waiting
go get it mate... you'll be shock if hear new barel+piston 200 that sold at otista
well how much actually?? i didnt check that p200 inside but from what i hear it seem nice.. well just hope my negotiation work well and if the engine some how didnt please me i will try to ask for lower price
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:35 pm quote
what a pity! I dont have money...
that p200 could be mine
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