NYC Police 1977 Sprint Veloce
Post Reply    Forum -> Project Reports 12Next
Author Message
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:40 am quote
I'm going back in time to the beginning of 2008 to tell this story I'll catch up to the present as I have time to write.

Well this all started at a party where I was talking to a scooterist at a party about Vespa stuff and he said he had these Sprint police bikes that he would sell me if I promised not to do anything other than restore them as Police bikes. He said they were from NYPD and originally came from a batch that Scooters Originali had.
I thought it sounded really cool and picked them up. I started with:
2 frames
2 gas tanks
2 trashed original glove box cowls
1 original beat fender
1 broken original headset







I was actually under the understanding that I would receive enough parts for a complete scooter, as you can see from the list thats not the case. So with budget constraints and restoring my Rally 200 at the time made this project slow going from the start.
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:51 am quote
I've searched quite allot for information on Police Vespa's and haven't yet found any period pictures. This is the only picture I've found of the 77 NYPD sprint (it's not one of mine because the floor rails are missing).

Of course I've found a few that aren't from 77 or NYCPD
Hooked
2007 px200 1968 rally 180 1960 Li150 s2
Joined: 26 Aug 2008
Posts: 426
Location: melbourne
Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:07 am quote
awesome bikes i cant wait until you have finished them. i was joking with a mate of mine that id do my rally in a police theme.......he said that it would be cooler if it had polizzi instead of police
Hooked
Vespa GTS 250 + Vespa SS 180
Joined: 07 Feb 2008
Posts: 293
Location: Rome - Italy
Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:59 am quote
austrALIEN wrote:
awesome bikes i cant wait until you have finished them. i was joking with a mate of mine that id do my rally in a police theme.......he said that it would be cooler if it had polizzi instead of police
This is a photo of a contemporary, italian, police scooter (polizia municipale = municipal police):



This one instead I spotted close to work while eating my lunch, it's a PX someone has painted in a Polizia-theme:



However, as you notice, it hasn't the text "Polizia" but instead the text "Pazzia", which means something close to "crazyness".
Addicted
not-so-normal
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 759
Location: Batavia
Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:28 pm quote
price wrote:
seen this picture none with two tone how come your vespa with blue and white?
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:14 am quote
That's why I wrote under the picture.
Quote:
Of course I've found a few that aren't from 77 or NYCPD
Here in the US we have State and local Police and they choose their colors and design their vehicles how they want. So my scooters are blue and white because that's the way they were doing vehicles at the new York City police deparpment in 1977.
I think the scooters in the picture where from 70/71 in D.C.

Last edited by price on Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:04 am; edited 1 time in total
Enthusiast
2008 Vespa S 150 and 1961 VNB w/sidecar
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 81
Location: San Diego
Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:12 am quote
Another Source
Here is a link detailing the brief history of NYP scooters. Hope it helps.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/scooters-originali/a-history-of-new-york-police-scooters-vespa-and-lambretta/50091149077
Hooked
Vespa LX 150
Joined: 17 Nov 2008
Posts: 266
Location: San Jose
Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:07 am quote
veloce75 wrote:
price wrote:
seen this picture none with two tone how come your vespa with blue and white?
Man, them two strokes sure were smoky! I'm glad we don't have to wear gas masks to ride anymore!

; )
Addicted
not-so-normal
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 759
Location: Batavia
Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:24 pm quote
price wrote:
That's why I wrote under the picture.
Quote:
Of course I've found a few that aren't from 77 or NYCPD
Here in the US we have State and lacal Police and they choose their colors and design their vehicles how they want. So my scooters are blue and white because that's the way they were doing vehicles at the new York City police deparpment in 1977.
I think the scooters in the picture where from 70/71 in D.C.
Oh yeah... my mistake
I just knew US cop with black and white until watched The Blues Brothers film
great movie...
Moderator
3 Vintage 1 Modern
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 3553
Location: Hustletown, TX
Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:12 am quote
Cool beans. Glad to find this thread... I'll be following it with mucho interest.
Molto Verboso
Current: 2004 GT 200 & 1976 150 Sprint V Previous: VS5 GS 150, 1974 Rally 200
Joined: 29 Apr 2006
Posts: 1946
Location: Oakland. 1000 posts, only 10 of any value
Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:54 am quote
Re: Another Source
hoyalawya wrote:
Can't wait to read this, I'm switching over right now.
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:09 pm quote
Re: Another Source
hoyalawya wrote:
Thanks, That article is also on the Scooters Originali site and I've talked to Gene about it awhile back. Like I said I've looked around allot and still haven't found a picture of these Sprints while in use.
Enthusiast
'05 PX200, '69 Rally180, '09 Triumph Scrambler
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 95
Location: New Zealand
Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:32 am quote
cool stuff.
I loved watching the telly program "Life on Mars" and there was often a Vespa parked outside the station... now I know why.
Nice to have a project with some history to it. Looking forward to seeing more pics as things proceed.

Steve
Ossessionato
07 GTS250, Several Lambrettas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 2467
Location: Raleigh, NC
Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:33 am quote
Nice find. Good luck with your project. I've got one of the early green and white Lambrettas from NY State Police that Gene mentions in his article. My goal is to keep the rust abated and keep it on the road. So far so good:

Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:59 pm quote
starreem wrote:
Nice find. Good luck with your project. I've got one of the early green and white Lambrettas from NY State Police that Gene mentions in his article. My goal is to keep the rust abated and keep it on the road. So far so good:
Cool
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:16 pm quote
So it's been about two years and all I've done up to this point is wash really good, some rubbing compound work, testing different rust neutralizers, and acquired parts. I decided pretty much right after I started that I was going to do a correct as possible job on one of the frames even though the paint is far from perfect. I knew it was going to take awhile to find everything I need mostly because I don't always have money for stuff I need when I find it which has bit me in the ass a few times.


Here's the stuff I've picked up so far:
• 1977 sprint autolube engine came complete sans carb and top end
• Fork with usable link assembly (just needs bearings)
• engine side cowl (the repos you can buy new are Super cowls)
• US spec headset with the same paint color.
• NOS horn (this later Sprint used the large one like Rally 200's.)
• NOS turn signal poles.
• speedo (rebuilt by speedo king)
• front and rear hub
• correct head light bezel
• brake light assembly and lens
• new turn signals (a set of NOS ones came up for sale right after I bought them)
• cable set
• carb box and lid
• carb
• ASC hardware kit
• Fuel tap
• US fuel tap lever (pretty good not perfect)

I'm sure there's stuff I've forgotten.

Ossessionato
07 GTS250, Several Lambrettas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 2467
Location: Raleigh, NC
Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:26 am quote
You might try this rust removal/neutralizer http://www.evaporust.com/

I bought a couple of gallons from the online store (haven't used it yet, but others have reported good results). I also noticed it on the shelf at the local Harbor Freight store.

It does require submerging the part in the solution overnight, but if you dig deeper on the online store, there are reports of success by using a spray bottle, a brush and a collection tray (turkey roasting pan or somesuch) to acheive good results. My plan is to abate the rust, and keep a good coat wax on it. So far my rust abatement has consisted of keeping it sprayed down with WD-40.
Member
1969 Sprint Veloce (1st series)
Joined: 19 Mar 2010
Posts: 40
Location: UK
Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:46 am quote
Check on this set on Flickr of Tom Donohues' San Francisco PD Sprint Veloce...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/go_bagel/sets/72157600093060942/

Here's some shots of my '69 Sprint V...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gs3vespa/sets/72157621050784141/

Cheers - Paul (Vespamore)
Addicted
1978 P200E, 1963 GS 160
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 663
Location: Decatur, GA
Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:14 am quote
Funny I hadn't seen this until now. Seemed like the POR15 did a real nice job on the rusty bits. One of these days it'll be back.

Can you sell the short bus for some extra cash? I'm scouring the house selling everything that isn't nailed down to fund my GS.
Hooked
02 ET2, 85 T5, 63 VBB, 61 Cushman VBB
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 256
Location: Downtown Bodymore, Murdaland
Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:40 am quote
price wrote:
I think the scooters in the picture where from 70/71 in D.C.
I don't think they're DC. MPD used Lammies. My buddies parents just got one of the MPD Lammies. I forget what year they said it was. I think they said it was an Li150. They recently got it non running with a near perfect body and original paint job. I'd think there would be a Lambretta in that pic if they used both.

Another possibility if the pic is from the DC area, whichever police force that patrolled the insane asylums in Maryland(I think they had their own police force,) had Vespas back then.

Anyways, take all this with a grain of salt. It's what I know about local using Vespas and Lambrettas and incomplete knowledge.
Molto Verboso
Current: 2004 GT 200 & 1976 150 Sprint V Previous: VS5 GS 150, 1974 Rally 200
Joined: 29 Apr 2006
Posts: 1946
Location: Oakland. 1000 posts, only 10 of any value
Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:46 pm quote
Paul Hart wrote:
Check on this set on Flickr of Tom Donohues' San Francisco PD Sprint Veloce...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/go_bagel/sets/72157600093060942/

Here's some shots of my '69 Sprint V...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gs3vespa/sets/72157621050784141/

Cheers - Paul (Vespamore)
I've never seen Bagel's Sprint before, it's quite nice. Though I like the stock seat more than the Yankee
Enthusiast
3 Lammy's & 1 Vethpa
Joined: 09 Sep 2008
Posts: 63
Location: Canada
Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:44 pm quote
Here's my 1965 Li 150 that came out of North Wildwood New Jersey.
Ride her daily!

Li 150.JPG

Member
1976 Sprint Veloce 150
Joined: 09 Sep 2010
Posts: 6
Location: Belgium
Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:02 am quote
Hello price,

Any news on your projects yet?
How's it going?

Thanks,

Matt888
Banned
1961 VBB1T and now a 2009 MP3 400ie
Joined: 15 Aug 2010
Posts: 474
Location: City of the damp Emerald
Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:20 am quote
Just thought I'd add a few bits to this thread. I grew up in Manhattan and recall seeing the Lambs all over the joint and dug the hell out of them.

With subtle variations, since the 30's the NYPD's vehicle color scheme has been white roof and trunk, black front fenders and all other body panels being green (hood, doors, rear quarters). Beginning with new vehicles in 1973 (through 1996) it changed to blue bodies with white roofs and white stripe. Other than decals and stripes now they're all white (which had been the color of auxiliary police in the blue years).

Anyway, I digress...below are some links and pix of interest:
http://www.kanoa.com/moto/lambretta/index.html
http://www.bbcmotiongallery.com/gallery/clip/1B16750_0027.do
(shot on 14th Street between University Place and Broadway. The south side of Union Square park in on the right side of the film. Scooters are all pointing east. The Mays Department store is long gone)

Here's a link to what the area looks like today:
http://tinyurl.com/23jtb9x
I tried to replicate the framing between the first shot of the video and the map. Look for the tall building in the distance near the right, that and the park are about the only things that remain the same!

vespa-180ss-police.jpg
Pic swiped from http://www.scootitude.com
Location unknown to me but I'd hazard to guess the borough of Queens

Lurker
2007 GTS & 1972 SPRINT 150
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 3
Location: COLORADO
Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:45 am quote
New York City Postcard
I found this postcard on ebay, and bought it as i also have a SPRINT

NY POLICE VESPA 1978 11-5-10.JPG
New York Police on a VESPA SPRINT VELOCE 1978

Hooked
PX200Arcobaleno, Granturismo200L
Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Posts: 126
Location: Croatia, Europe
Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:27 am quote
This is Lammy, not a Vespa
Lurker
2007 GTS & 1972 SPRINT 150
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 3
Location: COLORADO
Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:05 pm quote
Oops! It is not the Vespa SPRINT I read NYPD once had....
Granted, not a VESPA, still anice picture !
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:02 am quote
Re: Oops! It is not the Vespa SPRINT I read NYPD once had..
eatlivelove wrote:
Granted, not a VESPA, still anice picture !
I love that typo, and picture!
I've made tons of baby steps and taken a bit of a different direction and I've decided to use this as my race bike for the Corsa IFP. I'm still doing it mostly correctly but with a upgrades like a Rally 200 engine with a HRA alpha top end, performance shocks, and that sort of thing. I may use the beat up original glovebox cowl and front fender but may still do reproduction of the paint color and decals on a new set of cowls of which I'll be guessing on the engine side cowl as I have never seen what the decals look like on that side.
I decided that I was treating this like a show bike and I would rather have a bike that I want to ride all the time.
Modératrice
2005 Cobalt Blue ET4
Joined: 13 Nov 2005
Posts: 6952
Location: Portland, OR
Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:19 pm quote
Montréal
crazycalabrese wrote:
Just thought I'd add a few bits to this thread. I grew up in Manhattan and recall seeing the Lambs all over the joint and dug the hell out of them....
Love this thread.

The police scooter in the mystery pic from crazycalabrese looks to me to be from Montréal [note the accent on the "e"]. Anybody know anything about Québec scooter history?

Cheers,
pdxvespa

police_vespa_180ss_.Montreal.jpg
Montréal police scooter?

Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Mon May 09, 2011 7:56 pm quote
Getting close.

Banned
'80 p200 '63 li190
Joined: 15 Mar 2011
Posts: 441
Location: Philadelphia & Brooklyn
Tue May 10, 2011 6:48 am quote
just so you know, in case you didnt, that font is called Microgramma (probably bolded), in the event of you getting new vinyl made up.
Addicted
1978 P200E, 1963 GS 160
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 663
Location: Decatur, GA
Tue May 10, 2011 8:26 am quote


Miller's did such a nice job on those fenders.
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Tue May 10, 2011 8:47 am quote
vespretta wrote:
just so you know, in case you didnt, that font is called Microgramma (probably bolded), in the event of you getting new vinyl made up.
Thanks, I did have to figure that out last year for the cowl graphics. I made them but haven't put them on yet.
Addicted
2011 Piaggio Vespa GTS 300 Super
Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 501
Location: Spokane,WA
Tue May 10, 2011 9:01 am quote
keep the pics coming
Member
LX-150
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
Posts: 35
Location: Tuh Rah Nuh
Tue May 10, 2011 1:37 pm quote
coming along great.
what a fun project
Hooked
GTV300 2011
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
Posts: 136
Location: Handforth, Cheshire, UK
Tue May 17, 2011 11:10 am quote
Lovin this thread

guillas - very nice!!!
Member
2009 GTV 250ie
Joined: 07 May 2011
Posts: 14
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Wed May 18, 2011 7:37 am quote
price wrote:
I've searched quite allot for information on Police Vespa's and haven't yet found any period pictures. This is the only picture I've found of the 77 NYPD sprint (it's not one of mine because the floor rails are missing).

Of course I've found a few that aren't from 77 or NYCPD
Have you tried contacting the police? If you told them you where restoring a vespa, Im sure they would lead you in the right direction for pictures. Most of the time there is a 'wall of history' with tons of pictures framed throughout the history of that station. My dad is a fireman and they have pictures dating to when his station first opened. Hope this idea helps
Hooked
74 Rally 200 - 70 Sprint Veloce - 68ish Bajaj VBA - wifes 1970 V90 - 77 NYPD Sprint Veloce
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
Posts: 338
Location: Atlanta
Thu May 19, 2011 4:13 am quote
timmustang wrote:
Have you tried contacting the police? If you told them you where restoring a vespa, Im sure they would lead you in the right direction for pictures. Most of the time there is a 'wall of history' with tons of pictures framed throughout the history of that station. My dad is a fireman and they have pictures dating to when his station first opened. Hope this idea helps
Yes, I've been to the NYPD museum and didn't find anything.
Addicted
1978 P200E, 1963 GS 160
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 663
Location: Decatur, GA
Thu May 19, 2011 7:02 am quote
Price is a wanted man in 7 states & the territory of Guam so he probably shouldn't be snooping around police stations. Here's a pic for the hell of it.

Ossessionato
07 GTS250, Several Lambrettas
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 2467
Location: Raleigh, NC
Thu May 19, 2011 9:49 am quote
Looks like you have taped up the word "police"?

I've driven my NY State Police Lammy in several different states. No local law enforcement has given me any hassle. (I do have antique/historic tags on it). One person made a suggestion to me several years ago, when they were in NJ with an old police bike. Go to a sign shop and get a magnetic letter "T" that matches the font. Slap it on and your scooter spells "polite" now.

Nice job on the restore. See you in NJ on the CORSA.
Your Rally Here   Maroon Powersports LLC DBA Scooter Centrale   Scooter Parts Company
Post Reply    Forum -> Project Reports 12Next
[ Time: 0.4982s ][ Queries: 32 (0.2880s) ][ Debug on ]