Prep advice for long distance ride on P200
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Hooked
1984 PX200, 1962 Fuji Rabbit S601, 1959 Mitsubishi Pigeon, Gilera Model 50 CB1, Motomarina Sebring, and Tri-ped Micocar
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Posts: 117
Location: St. Louis
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:37 pm quote
Prepping for the Cannonball on a Vespa P200. Going to be refurbishing the motor over the next few weeks. Looking for any advice from others that have attempted long rides for upgrades, extra parts, gear....

1984 PX200e (non battery model)
-Going to get a new seat, considering the 2011 style px seat
-new front and rear shocks
-lubing cables and bringing a spare set
-have pretty new tires on the bike, getting a new tire for the spare and extra tubes
-going to get an aux. tank or spare fuel canisters
-sort of wondering if some sort of padded bicycle under shorts would be wise

I have a stock cylinder and a ported stock cylinder alpha kit, depending on what I run into during rebuild I am considering a 60mm pinasco crank.

Any suggestions on specific brands on any of the above and other gear much appreciated.
Thanks
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 7266
Location: Victoria, Australia
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:57 pm quote
Get your new seat asap, you don't want to be 'testing' it on the event! Most people I know use the foam, slab-type P seats for long distance and reckon it's the most forgiving. You may find the modern one with it's shape only really allows you to sit in one position, where with the flat type you can move around to relieve any sore bits.
Others use an Air Hawk and swear by them.

When I do long distance events, I try to carry a spare:
Clutch
Stator
Regulator
Bulbs
Tubes
Cables
Lever screws
Plug lead & cap
Fuel hose
Small hose to blow out carbs etc
Nuts and bolts
Tie wire
Not sure if you'll need a spare cylinder, but if you do and leave it behind you'll probably be a bit upset!

Also you'll probably need a method to recharge your stuff - if you have no battery consider a "mod charger" or equivalent.
I use a bicycle GPS speedo to keep a close eye on distances, when to expect the next turn etc.

You can get excellent economy with the stock cylinder - better than almost anything modified, so that may help your decision depending on exactly what you want out of it.

I'm assuming you won't have a backup vehicle, but if you do then chuck in as much as you can!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x3 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125 + projects
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Location: seattle/athens
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:36 pm quote
A couple of things I'd want to include.
I think I'd like to get my tires and wheels precision balanced and checked for true if I could find a good place. Maybe not necessary, but I'd hate to cross the whole damn country with something a little bit off down there.

Maybe add in a couple of good strong flashlites w/ scooter mounts if your electricity suddenly bails on you in the dark?

And get a good CHT to help avoid surprises and use it as soon as practical so you know how it works, like Ginch said about the seat. I'm liking this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CVTMYXZ/

Also, what kind of rack do you have?
V oodoo wrote:
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I do like some of the features on this SeaRon unit, like that it is backlit and that you can program a temp that the backlite goes to red on, and an hour meter too. Nice long cable set out of the box as well.

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The cable from the meter is 1.1M/3.5 feet. the temp sensor wire is around 0.5M/1.6 feet. the yellow induction wire is around 0.5M/1.6 feet.
The temp sensor wire and the yellow induction wire can be cut off to shorten the length and also can be attached another wire and extend the length, any common insulated wire is fine, it will not affect the operation.
Plus idiot proof self powered installation.

Ossessionato
73 Rally, 74 Rally, 76 ET3, 80 P200, 06 PX150, 65 Li225 Silver Special, 86,95,96 Elite 80s, 2015 HD Road Glide Special, 2011 Ural Tourist
Joined: 18 Jan 2012
Posts: 3398
Location: Oceanside/ SF
Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:52 am quote
Here's what I've done to mine for general touring-

-Stock 200 top end with stock crank
-Stock flywheel, stator rewired just cause.
-Ran the original shocks till they blew. Then replaced them with cushy replacements. Didnt want jarring stiff Bitubu race shocks
-Best bearings and seals
-CHT gauge permanently wired
-Tires with smooth tread (Continental Zippys/ Pirelli Angels)
-Extra cushy foam in the stock seat
-Added SAE battery tender connector to the battery
-Battery tender brand USB adapter to SAE lead
-10' long USB phone cord plugs into USB plug, cord runs to ram mount
(could find a mount and tap wires to headset DC in)
-Ram mount off the mirror mount
-Cool B8 or B9 plug
-Halogen front bulb replacement
-Rear back rest/ bbq rack with rubber washers between metals (vibration)
-Biker's friend luggage medium size between me and the rear rack (great for leaning back into it)
-SIP floorboard luggage carrier https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/luggage+carrier+for+legshield_75400000
-medium windscreen
-slip on foam grip covers (Scooterwest- cuts down on hand vibration)
-gas cans with the lame EPA spring nozzles replaced. Quick fuel refills everytime!

I think thats it. Its everything for minimal vibration, fuel efficiency and engine reliability.
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2001 Vespa ET4 150
Joined: 18 Dec 2019
Posts: 12
Location: Florida
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:52 am quote
This is something friends of mine swear by to make long road trips on their Motorcycles (about 700 miles in a day). I am thinking of getting it for my Softail for when I do long rides after riding a buddies bike with one on it. I think you will enjoy how much more comfort you can get.Oh yeah they are called Buttpads.

https://alaskaleather.com/

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Hooked
1984 PX200, 1962 Fuji Rabbit S601, 1959 Mitsubishi Pigeon, Gilera Model 50 CB1, Motomarina Sebring, and Tri-ped Micocar
Joined: 04 Apr 2015
Posts: 117
Location: St. Louis
Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:22 pm quote
Thanks for all of the responses, getting my lists together.

Mine is a non battery Canadian model, not sure how easy it would be to work out charging, but I don't even have a cell phone so that baloney will go on my brothers bike. Good idea though.

Working out details about a full or partial support vehicle.

I was looking at one of these seats, but up for suggestions or feedback.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/EN/Products/79000000/Seat+for+Vespa+PX98MY+black+.aspx?_country=E993AB67-6807-4109-BBED-F6374EBF9F9B&gpc_origin=shopping&gpc_feed_alias=de&gpc_pid=79000000&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg83FtMWE5wIViLzACh3XjQBUEAQYByABEgKX5PD_BwE

Or

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/EN/Products/seat+for+vespa+px+2011+brown_27283463
Ossessionato
1964 GS 160 MK II, 1967 Vespa GT, 1968 SS180, 1964 Vespa GL, 1964 Vespa VBB, 2006 Buddy 125, 2013 BMW C650GT
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Posts: 2951
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:34 am quote
Start a vintage thread on the CBR forum and you will get the people that have actually done it. The CBR is different. Most people running vintage are running a P200 motor stock to highly modified. Get together and combine resources. You will only need one fly wheel puller, fuel tap wrench etc for the group.

Running the CBR vintage I have brought lots of stuff including a spare motor.

Bring a top end. I had to have one overnighted and installed it in a motel room during the 2012 run. Hard seized at 60 -65 mph.

To the above I would add tubeless rims, a fly side seal, woodruff keys, and a set of case gaskets.

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Ossessionato
1964 GS 160 MK II, 1967 Vespa GT, 1968 SS180, 1964 Vespa GL, 1964 Vespa VBB, 2006 Buddy 125, 2013 BMW C650GT
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Posts: 2951
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:36 am quote
My GT is non battery. I lined a cheap cash box from office depot with rubber drilled some holes in the side and put in some grommets.

I mounted it to the spare tire holes and used a small 12V MC battery. I ran my gps and had a usb jack to recharge phone or whatever.

Each night I took it out, put it on a charger/tender, not just tender, and stuffed it back in in the morning. Even on very long days I think I ended with plenty of power left.
Hooked
1979 P200E
Joined: 01 Jan 2018
Posts: 110
Location: Houston
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:11 pm quote
MJRally wrote:
-Added SAE battery tender connector to the battery
-Battery tender brand USB adapter to SAE lead
-10' long USB phone cord plugs into USB plug, cord runs to ram mount
(could find a mount and tap wires to headset DC in)
-Ram mount off the mirror mount
Dang this is a good idea. Thanks for the tip; definitely gonna do this.
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:37 am quote
Re: Prep advice for long distance ride on P200
Declan wrote:
Prepping for the Cannonball on a Vespa P200. Going to be refurbishing the motor over the next few weeks. Looking for any advice from others that have attempted long rides for upgrades, extra parts, gear....

1984 PX200e (non battery model)
-Going to get a new seat, considering the 2011 style px seat
-new front and rear shocks
-lubing cables and bringing a spare set
-have pretty new tires on the bike, getting a new tire for the spare and extra tubes
-going to get an aux. tank or spare fuel canisters
-sort of wondering if some sort of padded bicycle under shorts would be wise

I have a stock cylinder and a ported stock cylinder alpha kit, depending on what I run into during rebuild I am considering a 60mm pinasco crank.

Any suggestions on specific brands on any of the above and other gear much appreciated.
Thanks
How long is that "Cannonball"? How many days? How many kilometers?
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 7266
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:20 pm quote
Re: Prep advice for long distance ride on P200
DadoWasp wrote:
How long is that "Cannonball"? How many days? How many kilometers?
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Hooked
1972 Vespa GTR, 1963 Lambretta LI 125
Joined: 05 Nov 2018
Posts: 101
Location: Halifax, England
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:24 pm quote
Re: Prep advice for long distance ride on P200
Ginch wrote:
DadoWasp wrote:
How long is that "Cannonball"? How many days? How many kilometers?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=11c3TnyGNJirbL0CPEwzox-lJHwb2N0sz&ll=36.90442101454226%2C-97.77628945765127&z=4
Are you fecking kidding me!!!!!!!!! Wow wow wow. I wouldnt want to do that journey if someone was driving me in a limo.

400+ miles in a day on 10 inch wheels sat upright.

You have got my respect there in chunks.
Molto Verboso
1980 P125X, 1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 1540
Location: Staten Island, NY
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:37 pm quote
I've been contemplating doing almost this exact route myself over the summer at a slower pace mainly so I can stop and take pictures at various national parks. Same route out west but starting from NYC, then following it almost exactly up through Michigan but stopping up at the edmund Fitzgerald lookout. Then continuing West but veering off this path to go to Yellowstone and then down through Utah to all the Utah parks (I went to a few two years ago, but need to spend more time there), then ending up in LA where I can stay at a friend's. Thinking I would take 1-2 weeks to do that and then rent a small storage unit to store my scooter in while I fly back to ny for a couple weeks to work then fly back and drive back to ny through the south hitting up more national parks like monument valley, heading to Florida where my parents and sister live, then hauling ass back to ny up 95. East route another week or so. So at the end of both trips I'll have looped the whole us over about 3-4 weeks broken up into two legs. I can't lock this down until I get both of my scooters running, but I'm thinking this planned trip would be done on my p200 set up for touring.

Most likely won't be this summer, but maybe summer 2021
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