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Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:54 pm quote
I feel like one, but I'm having fun. A few years back I gave #1 granddaughter a bright yellow scooter which she came to love for local zipping about in good weather. Last week #1 son brought it back to me non operating and it seemed like he wanted to be done with it.

So I fooled with it and got it going enough to order $180 worth of parts for it and granddaughter sez there's no way she's not getting her scooter back when it's ready to ride. Still need to install new key switch and charging port then add those new 'parts' and it's done

So what traitor & what scooter? Well #1 it's plastic, #2 it's Chinese made mostly and #3 it's NOT 2 stroke

In fact it's a zero stroke electric and it is a hoot to ride. The silent menace scaring the pants off of unwary pedestrians. Designed & engineered in Italy, electrics are German and it's made in China. It's made fairly well, parts fit properly and it's fairly sturdy considering it's plastic bodied.

Right now the 52 pounds of gel cell batteries only get to about half power fully charged which lasts enough to get me up to the mailbox and back. The 4 new batteries should be good for about 30 miles, originally limited to 30MPH. I found an elec bike forum that showed how to hack the controller, removing a jumper to avoid the speed limit. I think then it went maybe 35+ on the level w/ full charge when the batteries were good.

So, she's a girl who likes to stay neat & clean and plugging in a charger is fine with her. Still, if she had been a boy, I'll bet it woulda been a metal Italian 2stroke.
Here it is - it is what it is


Oooh, you so sexy!


Embarrassing w/ her skirt off and everybody seeing her underpants
2 batteries behind you and 2 more alongside the controller.


Instruments & controls include hydraulic front disk, EZ canceling turn signals and a battery meter


Gaudy Chinese tail light replaced w/ '51 Chevy
I like the quality plastic quik disconnect plugs on all the wiring that work as they should when taking it apart.


Helpers Charlie & Jenna each helped by going on short test rides with me

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Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:59 pm quote
Infecting a granddaughter with freedom on two wheels = forgiven

In China I saw tons of electric scooters (in fact there is almost nothing else) and most of them fit the same form/function as the original Lambretta A,B,C,D.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:02 pm quote
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They tried, charger malfunction. That's why I get to fix it .

@oops - Getting Charlie well hooked too, he REALLY wants to try this one but not the noisy gassers. Yet.
I think that some places in China heavily restrict ICE vehicles , no?
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:25 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
In China I saw tons of electric scooters (in fact there is almost nothing else) and most of them fit the same form/function as the original Lambretta A,B,C,D.
Yeah, they're all over the place in China. They also all have bike pedals on them, or did in Beijing & Tian Jin when I was spending time over there. I asked one of my local co-workers if they were some sort of regulation that had them governed as mo-peds rather than motorcycles, which is how Illinois defines the difference (does it have pedals? Yes? No license, park on the sidewalk, etc.). He said, No, it was because for a lot of people, the batteries didn't last long enough to get to work and back home, so they could pedal the rest of the way home.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:51 am quote
So, what is the point of all this?
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:11 am quote
Electric scooters seemed to be my biggest threat during my 6 months in Beijing when walking or riding bicycles.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:01 am quote
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Yes, I can see that these annoying things will be more and more common so we may as well get used to them. For younger ppl, they may be your only choice in coming years. Of course Vespa has one too and I'm sure it's a lot better than this one.

But for you skeptics, have you ridden one? This is the future, especially for short runs. I recently got a battered but solid '64 smallframe body and I'm thinking that all I need to go electric is here. If I can find another one of these for $200, that's motor & controller and add $600 worth of lithium to go from 52 to 10 pounds of batteries. Or wait until granddaughter gets tired of it & use these

Just delete the top half of the pic.


I guess I could be happy w/ 35+ MPH and the better range the lithium batteries would give. If not, I understand that it is possible to add a 5th battery for 60 volts by further hacking the controller and replacing all the stock capacitors w/ premium ones. ZOOM! I mean zoom!

That's another thing, I need to add a good bass speaker and an MP3 player w/ some 2 stroke expansion pipe music on the chip. brap brap braaaap
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:43 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
A few years back I gave #1 granddaughter a bright yellow scooter. Last week it came back to me non-operating.

So I fooled with it and got it going. I hacked the controller to avoid the speed limit.

So, she's a girl. If she had been a boy, it woulda been a metal Italian 2stroke.
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Well, well, well. This is all Grandpa of the Year material here.

First and foremost, V oodoo is a generous gift giver. That much is undeniable. But after that it starts deteriorating....

--Granddaughter breaks scooter. V oodoo doesn't make granddaughter "pay her dues" and learn mechanical work. Softy Grandpa.

--Granddaughter wants to speed. V oodoo hacks the motor to help her break the speed limit. Lawbreaking Grandpa.

--Granddaughter would have gotten a better metal Italian scoot from V oodoo if she'd been a boy. Sexist Grandpa.



I'll still give you half a red ribbon, V oodoo. It's pretty awesome . And every girl should have a grandpa like you.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:05 pm quote
But the most important thing: Will it pop a wheelie?!?

And I gotta say, Kimono is spot on! Softy, Lawbreaking, Sexist Grandpa. But is the PERFECT grandpa, no doubt!!!!! Good job V oodoo!
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:14 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
SaFiS wrote:


They tried, charger malfunction. That's why I get to fix it .

@oops - Getting Charlie well hooked too, he REALLY wants to try this one but not the noisy gassers. Yet.
I think that some places in China heavily restrict ICE vehicles , no?
Sorry, it would MELT
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:25 pm quote
If I know Voodoo, granddaughter will soon be welding and casting metal objects
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:31 pm quote
Tell you what, GD gets tired of the slow then GP offers a REAL metal Italian scooter w/smoke and sweet talks GD that it is 'better', AND GD falls for it accepts my logic -- THEN I will remove the motor & controller and we shall find out!

Satisfied? Adequate contrition & repentance? I regret that I have but one scooter to burn ...

qa buddy, w/ that 5th battery I think it just might. When I first got it & batteries were about 1/3 shot then, it could really jump w/ a fresh charge and if you hit the 'turbo' button. Yep, has turbo button for 30 seconds of delicious extra suds at the expense of battery range.

K32 you old thing, where you been? I will get back with thoughtful replies to your very insightful observations. Right now I just feel kind guilty.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:32 pm quote
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If I know Voodoo, granddaughter will soon be welding and casting metal objects
Not this one so much , but #3 18yo - been there done that.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:16 pm quote
Hey, V oodoo--hope you know I'm totally kidding. I think it is wonderful what you are doing for your granddaughter. Even though it's plastic and Chinese, the scoot is super cute and I LOVE the color!

Changed my mind on your ribbon

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Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:26 am quote
I too think what you're doing is wonderful. No sense having the youngins learn how to wrench an ICE vehicle, read the tea leaves, they're on the way out.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:40 am quote
I've been scheming with a co-worker who builds fighting robots as a hobby about converting a vespa motor over to electric. He found an 8KW (effectively 20 HP) electric motor that would fit into an exiting case by cutting off the flywheel side of the crank case and attaching a clutch to its output shaft. spins up to about 9,000 RPM's, so it's basically a perfect match to a Vespa transmission, too.

At this point, I need to find a donor motor that's trashed enough to cut open, and I figure that I could put about 50 AH (60 lbs) of 48V lithium batteries under the seat without even trying too hard. Physically, it's a total volume about the size of two car batteries, but broken up into 16 individual cells, so a lot of flexibility to fit it in the space.

At peak output, that motor would run for about half an hour, but obviously you wouldn't normally use it that way.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:58 am quote
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I've been scheming with a co-worker who builds fighting robots as a hobby about converting a vespa motor over to electric. He found an 8KW (effectively 20 HP) electric motor that would fit into an exiting case by cutting off the flywheel side of the crank case and attaching a clutch to its output shaft. spins up to about 9,000 RPM's, so it's basically a perfect match to a Vespa transmission, too.

At this point, I need to find a donor motor that's trashed enough to cut open, and I figure that I could put about 50 AH (60 lbs) of 48V lithium batteries under the seat without even trying too hard. Physically, it's a total volume about the size of two car batteries, but broken up into 16 individual cells, so a lot of flexibility to fit it in the space.

At peak output, that motor would run for about half an hour, but obviously you wouldn't normally use it that way.
free if you need it:
1. I have a p125 engine that has a small crack on the fly side bearing.
2. set of P125 cases with kick start and oil pump holes welded up.

In both cases thinking it would not be an issue in the conversion.

There is a guy here in SF that did a conversion on a 150 super. motor sat where the cylinder was driving a pulley to a shaft that replaced the crank. You could start off in 3rd gear.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:46 pm quote
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chandlerman wrote:
I've been scheming with a co-worker who builds fighting robots as a hobby about converting a vespa motor over to electric. He found an 8KW (effectively 20 HP) electric motor that would fit into an exiting case by cutting off the flywheel side of the crank case and attaching a clutch to its output shaft. spins up to about 9,000 RPM's, so it's basically a perfect match to a Vespa transmission, too.

At this point, I need to find a donor motor that's trashed enough to cut open, and I figure that I could put about 50 AH (60 lbs) of 48V lithium batteries under the seat without even trying too hard. Physically, it's a total volume about the size of two car batteries, but broken up into 16 individual cells, so a lot of flexibility to fit it in the space.

At peak output, that motor would run for about half an hour, but obviously you wouldn't normally use it that way.
free if you need it:
1. I have a p125 engine that has a small crack on the fly side bearing.
2. set of P125 cases with kick start and oil pump holes welded up.

In both cases thinking it would not be an issue in the conversion.

There is a guy here in SF that did a conversion on a 150 super. motor sat where the cylinder was driving a pulley to a shaft that replaced the crank. You could start off in 3rd gear.
Oh, hell yes! the p125 motor with the fly side bearing crack would be perfect since that part would be getting cut off anyway.

Lemme know how much shipping is and I can paypal you the cost.

This is gonna be FUN
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:04 pm quote
oh hell yes
Let's see some more electrical activity, I like your plan Chandler! I also have a few dead motors that could be converted if anybody else has a scheme. I have many schemes, some hopefully using one of these when available: https://www.magnax.com/technology

Meanwhile, I am about to go for a REAL ride on this thing. Gotta test that turbo mode, right?



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Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:26 pm quote
An electric Ape would be freakin' awesome. Tons of room for batteries, too...
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:30 am quote
Thats NOT an electric scooter... THIS is an electric scoote!
This used to be one of my Puchs, now its a beast

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Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:46 pm quote
Geez SEB, you've been a busy boy! Well done install and yeah, that's a serious scooter.
What batteries & what range/ top speed? Or is this beast still a work in progress that my little POS could run away from just now?
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:03 pm quote
Re: Thats NOT an electric scooter... THIS is an electric sco
SubEtherBASS wrote:
This used to be one of my Puchs, now its a beast
say what
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An electric Ape would be freakin' awesome. Tons of room for batteries, too...
Did someone say sidecar?

Sure - you guys throw tomatoes at me and get me all hooked on 2 cycle heroin then start pulling out your elec. projects...

Love it!
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:32 am quote
This has all turned quite cool. I've been thinking for some time about converting my V90 to electric as a test case. It's just a matter of when gasoline becomes a relic of the past and not if. I think I've got awhile yet living here in one of the so-called "shithole countries", but the end of internal combustion is nigh.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:44 pm quote
Sorry. The Internal Combustion Engine Police will have to chase me down and pry the keys to my little 2 stroke grocery getters out of my cold dead hands.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:05 am quote
Not my resto... sadly
That Puch SRA150 was (that is a WAS) one of my many Puchs... i sold that one to a goos scooter friend Rolf, & his son has been doing the engine swap... i wis it was my resto, but I've got way too many projects before I could do that... plus a Honda CR500 Engine swap is more my idea of fun!

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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:50 am quote
I ride (and now sell) electric scooters and I love them, no mechanical breakdown paranoia and great performance.

Obviously I love my two strokes but it's nice to have one foot in the future too,

Cheers,
Rog

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:14 am quote
She loves me! Cute, young and a natural blonde.

Proved it giving me a matching VB1 she found & thought of me.



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Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:34 pm quote
Iím a traitor too, but with a 4T. Went on a 300 mile ride on my MotoBi 125

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