Polini Clutch for 400 /500
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:32 am quote
Does anybody has experience with a Polini Clutch and bell on a 400/500





From my Malossi the Pads / lining came off see pic did only 6000km with the clutch and its 3 months old

clutch remover.jpg

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MP3 500
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:53 am quote
Have not read much good about Polini products in general.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:28 am quote
well there is one member here with a 250 and he's happy with it
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:46 am quote
Maksor - wasn't it you that were telling us last year how the new 400 clutch was better for overall performance? Seems the Malossi was a bust - I'd be asking for a refund or replacement on that one.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:23 am quote
i've ask for a refund its has stll waranty on it, it is 3 months old, but i'm also looking for a replacement easypart has to order a new malossi or an other one so if somebody got anything what could help for the Polini then i asked for a Polini its even cheaper

and the malossi works fine even with the 2 twisted pads but the could come off completely and the what


and last year i wasn't looking for a clutch my stock got burned on the dyno 5 months ago
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:53 am quote
Ok - so it wasn't you. You might want to look that thread up as the person reporting had nice things to say about the new style clutch on the 400's in Europe - supposedly much quicker engagement and superior acceleration as a result.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:00 pm quote
new style clutch???? OEM???
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:25 pm quote
Maksor wrote:
new style clutch???? OEM???
Yup. That was the word. Something about the springs being different.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:32 pm quote
ow i know what you mean, there was somebody with a 500 that had a clutch problem and it was changed for one out off a Beverly but the pads of a stock clutch can't handel the torque and power mine the burn out

the malossi is a racing clutch and they even twist
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:54 pm quote
Maksor wrote:
ow i know what you mean, there was somebody with a 500 that had a clutch problem and it was changed for one out off a Beverly but the pads of a stock clutch can't handel the torque and power mine the burn out

the malossi is a racing clutch and they even twist
That was it! The clutch off a Beverly. You have a damn good memory friend!
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:44 pm quote
1 second in a hour i have
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Malaguti Spidermax GT500
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:59 am quote
i just ordered a malossi - what did you do to burn your original clutch?
seems to me you got overheating problems in the clutch area.
could this be true?
if so, I have found a solution for that
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:15 pm quote
i tweaked my mp3 well let it be done by Ten Kate Racing it got 46/48bhp
and 71nm at 7225 rpm

and the stock clutch is designed for a 400 it can handle the 500 fuoco bev and atlantic with 41 bhp at the crankshaft but not mine it got burned with a dyno test

My malossi did only 6000km and is less then 3 months old i did my speedrecord with this clutch 179km/h
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:27 am quote
i get a full refund from Easyparts.nl so i'm going to order the Polini

Bell Polini Piaggio-Gilera 400, 500 Polini part no. 250.029
Clutch for Beverly 500 (Euro 3) Polini part no 249.037
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Malaguti Spidermax GT500
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:28 am quote
Maksor wrote:
it got 46/48bhp and 71nm at 7225 rpm
how come the torque went from 43 to 71 and the hp only up by 20%?

do you have a post here where there is more info?
or in short what was done and for how much money?
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:37 am quote
there is somewhere but here is a sumery

bought a 400lt in march 09 changed the cylinder to a 460cc in oct 09 flowed the head and valves and installed a rapid bike III in nov 09 By Ten Kate Racing did some dynotest (6 total) and this was the end result


cylinder and piston where 155,- flowing waranty
rpid bike III is 600,- cable for a fuoco is 125,- euro dyno runs are 100,- each
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Malaguti Spidermax GT500
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Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:55 am quote
thanks, for how much increase is the rapid bike III responsible?
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:04 pm quote
that's depents on the mods your doing only a Rapid bike 3 or 4 BHP when its tuned by somebody who knows how to do it

iff you increase the airflow in and out the engine then it will be more
i bought an old/ second hand LV 4 road one from before the Euro 2 norm

But there's all ways a but it will be more sensetive for the differents outside temps and humidity, in a way that it will not reach its top at high temps outside in the summer, i get the best performance at 15 to 20 degrees C with a low humidity 30+C in the summer and i loose 2 or 3 BHP and with a high humidity even more when its hot outside and there is a tunderstorm coming it will reach a top of 140 / 145km/h,
and the 46/48 is at the crankshaft at the rear wheel it will be 35% less a stock 400/500 will have the same procentage less at the rearwheel


Didn't test it when its -10 C maybe this winter


And the bottleneck is now the clutch its starts to slip, when i do a Dyno test that's why the stock got burned and i think thats why the malossi
is swifting the pads
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:23 am quote
just found at my doorstep




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Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:38 am quote
Maksor wrote:
just found at my doorstep




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well that was suppose to be delivered to my house. Please forward, thank you.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:42 am quote



well 280 euro's and they are yours f

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Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:52 am quote
Maksor wrote:



well 280 euro's and they are yours f

I know I paid someone somewhere for something, just got to find it.
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Piaggio mp3 400ie
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:13 am quote
Where did you purchase it? Was it online purchase or offline?
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:30 am quote
online at easyparts.nl but you can also order directly from Polini Italy

i paid 110,- for the bell and 130,- euro for the clutch free shipping in the Netherlands
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:45 pm quote
Gran Canaria wrote:
Maksor wrote:
it got 46/48bhp and 71nm at 7225 rpm
how come the torque went from 43 to 71 and the hp only up by 20%?

do you have a post here where there is more info?
or in short what was done and for how much money?
NO WAY you have 71Nm on the crankshaft, as that is where the 43Nm is measured. Did you dyno it before the modifications? How did you consider the gear ratio in the final drive and the big losses in the variator?

PS. 71Nm/7225rpm=>53kW=>74Hp
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:07 am quote
No i did not do a dyno before but those numbers i got each time i got it back from a Dyno and my mp3 did 6 dyno test and because it was done at the racing department of Ten Kate i wasn't able to look what they did nobody else is aloud to be there

i did bring it in in the morning and picked it up in the evening
Hooked
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:13 am quote
how did the polini clutch do? been shopping clutches. polini now also offers two and three shoe clutches with simple adjustment without having to change springs
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:45 pm quote
go for a hitclutch
Hooked
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:50 am quote
that doesnt at all answer the question.
Hooked
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:51 am quote
Ask a question about an 8 year old thread, and these are the answers you get. Trust me, if Maksor says it, you can take it to the bank. Absolutely no one on here with more experience. Period!

He originaly posted for input on the Polini and then told you to get a Hit when you asked about the Polini. Sounds like an answer to me.
Hooked
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:00 am quote
I see plenty of feedback on the hit clutch. so that answer is useless. was looking for feedback on the polini compared to the malossi. if that dont make sense to you I dont know what will. I see plenty of happy people running the malossi that is nearly a third the cost of dr pulley hit unit. not everyone wants to throw money around when its not needed.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:50 am quote
if you want to stick old designed clutch on it be my guest 3pad clutches where used on the 460cc in the 1990's and early 2000 you want more pads instead of less
Hooked
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:11 am quote
Maksor wrote:
if you want to stick old designed clutch on it be my guest 3pad clutches where used on the 460cc in the 1990's and early 2000 you want more pads instead of less
Your responses would be far more helpful if you would answer the question. Your answers would be great if I asked whats the best clutch I can put in my 500. did you not use the polini clutch? did it fail in 6000km too?

I already order the malossi clutch. If it doesnt do what I need it to do I am going to reline my factory 5-shoe clutch with my all time favorite friction material for street vehicles. It doesnt scare me the malossi failed. they likely have sold 10,000 of them.
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