1958 Allstate 125
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:15 pm quote
Hey guys, im actively seeking a vintage vespa preferably 60's model. I would greatly desire buying one from a reputable shop, and stumbled across this one on Scooters Belissimo in SOCAL. The problem is theyre asking $6900. The scooter looks immaculate, but is it actually worth that steep price?
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:02 pm quote
thats a nicely done restoration,but its only worth what people will pay.im sure it would cost u about that much if u where going to do it yourself.i have one that i would sell for less than that if u were interested.its also a 1958 allstate

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Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:23 pm quote
hey Chaus, anymore pics? and what are u asking?
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:46 pm quote
Re: 1958 Allstate 125
ManOnFire wrote:
Hey guys, im actively seeking a vintage vespa preferably 60's model...The problem is theyre asking $6900. The scooter looks immaculate, but is it actually worth that steep price?
yes.
well, sorta. but basically yes.

let's do some quick math:

a running, riding, restorable late 50's early 60's vespa 125/150 would sell in the neighborhood of 1800~2500 or so.

then you've got the resto costs:
750~1500 in paint-- quickie spray job to a decent show quality job
500~1500 in motor-- soft parts rebuild to a full nut and bolt rebuild
150~300 on electrics-- harness and bits to rewiring some stuff
200+ on tires/tubes/wheels/brakes
350+ on cables, hardware, badges, trim, badges, grips, etx

oh, you need shocks? add some more
oh, you need to have the tank boiled out? add some more
oh, you can't do the work yourself? better open that wallet wide then.

generally speaking, if you're looking for a restored bike is usually better to buy one that's already been properly restored. you'll usually save more money than having one done to your specification... ymmv...

best,
-greasy
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:36 am quote
Did you see many other scooters offered for sale before you saw that one? That bike is in the running for "the shiny-est, most cherry '58 Allstate in the world" award, and is priced accordingly. This model is not that desirable a Vespa, and is not that good of a rider in modern traffic. In Ohio, where I am, crusty '58 allstates regularly go for under $2K. If I had $2500 to drop on one I could probably shake a seller out of the grapevine this week.

That resto's price is about the most you can spend on an old Vespa, period. For $7,000 I'd at least want a cherry Rally or GS, a fun-to-ride sports model. In my experience if you hang around the scooter community, with ready cash, and keep your ear to the ground, you can buy some of the most desirable models for $4k. That's in decent but not in trophy-winning shape like that Allstate is.

Even in California, I should think that 3 or 4 grand would buy you a very nice vintage Vespa from a private seller. So unless councourse-quality restoration is what you're looking for and the least you'll take, I think this is a weird choice for first scooter.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 am quote
i know nothing of what it really takes to restore a 58 allstate 125

greasy laid out the details to even attempt it on YOUR OWN, which is nothing like the bike you would get above

i don't know bellisimo well but i know people that know him very well

if like you said you want to buy from a reputable shop then you hit the nail on the head

there are only two places i can think of that do top to bottom period correct resto vespas and have them for sale on the floor with other full restos

bellisimo and bar italia

there are other people that do great top to bottom but in our area the two shops i listed are the only reputable shops that have more than one or two fully restored bikes on there floor

if your looking for a fully restored lambretta in our area than there is the lambretta guy(harmik) in the southbay

it is an art so take your time shopping..........pricey?maybe...steep? no
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:56 am quote
Thanks for all the responses, greatly appreciate all the info. I purchased a 63 vbb project about 10 years ago and saw the work and money required to get it to where I wanted, I've since decided that buying a restored scoot would be the wiser choice for me. I have been reading up on models and have learned that allstates are less desirable models, so I'll continue doing my research and keeping my eyes wide open. Thanks again guys.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:12 am quote
good job ManOnFire. that's some of the best advice i have read on these boards in some time...
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:13 am quote
a word to the wise from a wise pushing 50's guy

less desirable means squat when talking fully restored

let me be clear, the allstate above is a 4 lug 8' inch daily rider peice of art

as the days go buy and turn into years the 4 lug 8's are going to go up in value, period.

mostly due the fact that conversions on these and other 8's were very common(not to mention that most every bodge is a conversion)

so be carefull what you call less desirable.....but do buy wisely...sure you will
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:15 am quote
ManOnFire wrote:
I have been reading up on models and have learned that allstates are less desirable models
I think that is arguable. They were the cheapest Vespas sold at the time, but also the top of Sear's Allstate line that included Cushman and Puch. That being said, they have their own unique charm. They will never be as desirable/valuable as a sports model (GS or SS) but I don't think that they are that much less desirable than the equivalent Vespa model.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:28 am quote
You can get this restored rally for cheaper:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/mcd/2279300185.html
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:39 am quote
i saw that before, niiiice

i have a ?, where is the OP from, how much is shipping for a really really really nice bike?
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:59 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
let me be clear, the allstate above is a 4 lug 8' inch daily rider peice of art
I think once you've put a '58 Allstate up to that kind of spec it's not a good candidate for "daily rider" status anymore. It belongs in a case or being trailered to judgings, IMHO.

I agree that widebodies and 8-inchers will rise in value relative to a P200 in the future, but probably not relative to an SS180.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:07 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
i saw that before, niiiice

i have a ?, where is the OP from, how much is shipping for a really really really nice bike?
He's the Green Tree guy in Mason City Iowa. Jeremy stands by his work. Shipping...Less than a grand?
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:11 am quote
danyouhandleit wrote:
jimmyb865 wrote:
i saw that before, niiiice

i have a ?, where is the OP from, how much is shipping for a really really really nice bike?
He's the Green Tree guy in Mason City Iowa. Jeremy stands by his work. Shipping...Less than a grand?
i know where green is

i'm wondering where the original poster is from

another one of those nsm'ers that lives in interweb world
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:11 am quote
This Rally is even cheaper-

http://scoot.net/classifieds/forsale.html?id=27330
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:12 am quote
Btw, I totally asked my wife if I could sell my P and take out a loan from the general fund to make up the difference for that Green Tree bike. She said no.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:17 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
danyouhandleit wrote:
jimmyb865 wrote:
i saw that before, niiiice

i have a ?, where is the OP from, how much is shipping for a really really really nice bike?
He's the Green Tree guy in Mason City Iowa. Jeremy stands by his work. Shipping...Less than a grand?
i know where green is

i'm wondering where the original poster is from

another one of those nsm'ers that lives in interweb world
Ah... I get it. Sorry.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:24 am quote
Yeah I think I misused the term "less desirable" when referring to allstate vespas, obviously I love it. I believe I read they are just a bit more common and can be easily found, especially here in the states. Defintely once it's fully restored, that's a different story.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:27 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
i saw that before, niiiice

i have a ?, where is the OP from, how much is shipping for a really really really nice bike?
I live in Los Angeles. I'll make sure to update my profile.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:28 am quote
ManOnFire wrote:
Yeah I think I misused the term "less desirable" when referring to allstate vespas, obviously I love it. I believe I read they are just a bit more common and can be easily found, especially here in the states. Defintely once it's fully restored, that's a different story.
there you are
what is your location mof?
reason being you will have better info here if you let people know.....there are lots of really nice bikes for sale if a full resto is not what you want

also if you post your local you might have help finding one in your area and avoid costly shipping and nail biting waiting
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:19 am quote
Here ya' go, ManonFire:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/2310200651.html

'59 VBA with a PX motor, right here in LA for under $2000. It is the same body style as the one you posted, and the motor upgrade should make it quick and reliable.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:15 am quote
The $7K bike from the OP was a widebody/handlebar, look at the carb door and the external cable routing. That being said that is a well spotted deal for the OP, looks good as long as the "Viet-wings" on the legsheild are just a fluke.
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Here ya' go, ManonFire:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/2310200651.html

'59 VBA with a PX motor, right here in LA for under $2000. It is the same body style as the one you posted, and the motor upgrade should make it quick and reliable.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:18 am quote
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Here ya' go, ManonFire:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/2310200651.html

'59 VBA with a PX motor, right here in LA for under $2000. It is the same body style as the one you posted, and the motor upgrade should make it quick and reliable.
looks like a great deal!!! thanks that one must have slipped past me
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:48 am quote
Grover wrote:
The $7K bike from the OP was a widebody/handlebar, look at the carb door and the external cable routing. That being said that is a well spotted deal for the OP, looks good as long as the "Viet-wings" on the legsheild are just a fluke.

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Yep my bad.

Anyway, the yellow one would be worth checking out, IMO.

Incidentally, Vigano made wing embellishers in the 60's, but you rarely see them.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:08 am quote
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Grover wrote:
The $7K bike from the OP was a widebody/handlebar, look at the carb door and the external cable routing. That being said that is a well spotted deal for the OP, looks good as long as the "Viet-wings" on the legsheild are just a fluke.

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Yep my bad.

Anyway, the yellow one would be worth checking out, IMO.

Incidentally, Vigano made wing embellishers in the 60's, but you rarely see them.
yeah i was wondering about those wing embellishers...hopefully if anyone can point out whether its a bodge or not, that would be great. The ad specifically says its not, but you dont truly know until you see it in person i suppose.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:16 am quote
ManOnFire wrote:
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Grover wrote:
The $7K bike from the OP was a widebody/handlebar, look at the carb door and the external cable routing. That being said that is a well spotted deal for the OP, looks good as long as the "Viet-wings" on the legsheild are just a fluke.

]
Yep my bad.

Anyway, the yellow one would be worth checking out, IMO.

Incidentally, Vigano made wing embellishers in the 60's, but you rarely see them.
yeah i was wondering about those wing embellishers...hopefully if anyone can point out whether its a bodge or not, that would be great. The ad specifically says its not, but you dont truly know until you see it in person i suppose.
Doesn't look asian to my eyes, but you would have to see in person to be sure. A few years back, many of the USA parts dealers were selling those wings, so it doesn't mean much by itself.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:28 am quote
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Here ya' go, ManonFire:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/2310200651.html

'59 VBA with a PX motor, right here in LA for under $2000. It is the same body style as the one you posted, and the motor upgrade should make it quick and reliable.
BTW how did you find the scoot....when i search in LA craiglist, i cant find it...just want to make sure im not missing out on more vespas
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:16 pm quote
ManOnFire wrote:
littlebluedisaster wrote:
Here ya' go, ManonFire:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/2310200651.html

'59 VBA with a PX motor, right here in LA for under $2000. It is the same body style as the one you posted, and the motor upgrade should make it quick and reliable.
BTW how did you find the scoot....when i search in LA craiglist, i cant find it...just want to make sure im not missing out on more vespas
It looks like the ad was deleted - means he sold it - that's why you can't find it.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:45 pm quote
that was short lived haha....oh well
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