How many miles do scooter engines last
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:49 pm quote
Hello everyone! I am new to the world of scooters and looking to get my first one. I was kind of curious about how long scooters are expected to last with proper maintenance. I noticed on a Honda metropolitan the odometer had 4 digit holders. Do scooter engines typically die by 10,000 miles?
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:58 pm quote
The useful engine life of a 50cc , air cooled scooter before it requires a rebuild is probably not much more than 10k miles.

A water cooled scooter like the Vespa GTS/ or 300 series should last 50,000 miles or more if maintained properly. There are several posters on this site that have attained that mileage or close to it. An air cooled scooter engine will probably not last as long as the water cooled models but a quality, 150cc air cooled motor should last much more than the smaller, 50cc models.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:13 pm quote
XLR8 wrote:
The useful engine life of a 50cc , air cooled scooter before it requires a rebuild is probably not much more than 10k miles.

A water cooled scooter like the Vespa GTS/ or 300 series should last 50,000 miles or more if maintained properly. There are several posters on this site that have attained that mileage or close to it. An air cooled scooter engine will probably not last as long as the water cooled models but a quality, 150cc air cooled motor should last much more than the smaller, 50cc models.
I know UFO on the MP3 forum had 75,000 on his MP2 250 and he was mad at himself for not maintaining it better, if I remember right. If you change the oil as required, keep the air filter clean and adjust the valves, I bet you can get 100,000 out of one.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:51 pm quote
I had a GS150 from 1961 to 1973, and covered 120,000 miles on it.

I did 100,000 miles on my next scooter, a Rally180 (later converted to a 200).

I am sure a properly looked-after PX would be capable of much more.
The only limiting factor is the easy availability of spares.

Mike
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:30 pm quote
My 2003 ET2 lasted 8 years 11,000 before is suffered a tragic death from a cracked cylinder head and a shot oil pump. I traded it in for a GTS300 Super. The dealer has since rebuilt it and is ready to sell it.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:59 pm quote
I would also agree that 75000 to 100,000 is about right if properly maintained.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:22 pm quote
I think the theory is sort of all other things being equal smaller engines die sooner, bigger engines go longer. But in automotive / motorcycle mechanics, all things are seldom equal.

Some people jump for joy if their little 50cc makes it to 12,000m, yet some have gotten 30,000 miles plus from their little 50cc. Even two strokes.

Here is a 50cc Kymco with 45,000 miles on it, another poster down below says he knows someone with over 30,000 on his, and yet another guy on this forum had just the same.

http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=3599.0

While not exactly exceptions, these aren't exactly the rule, either. A number of factors can play a part in engine longevity. Yet other scooters just like these go kaput much sooner.

Bonegirl's Genuine Buddy went 40,000 miles plus and was still going when the company gave her a new one, and rumor has it someone down south has one with nearly 60,000 miles on it

http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?s=00a3663bd16dc475c571e8b8a8bbf4dd&t=15002

And I know some 250's and larger are at 50,000 miles and still going strong. Also remember its not just the engine, but if going the long haul the frame, electrical, various components, and all the rest has to stand the test of use and time. No use having the engine go 50,000 miles if the rest of the bike is falling apart. So best to get a good, decent scooter like a Vespa or other quality make right off the bat.

Many times an engine only needs a "top half" rebuild to be good again. Very inexpensive to do on a smaller engined scooter, and many do it themselves and roll along great for tens of thousands more miles and smiles
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:19 am quote
In almost 3 years I put over 30,000 miles on my X9 500. No problems yet.
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:23 am quote
I have 20,000 on my LX150 and it still runs like a champ! Haven't had to do anything other than the usual routine maintenance on the engine (fluid changes, belt and roller change every 8K miles or so, etc.)

-Dan
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:55 am quote
I am closing fast on 37,000 miles on my 2008 S150. This is the Leader carburated model and I have been sticky about keeping those oil changes, valve adjustments, and other scheduled items taken care of. It's an air cooled 150cc and feels like it is still running great. A compression test is going to be done soon just to see how it is holding.

Maintainance is the key, well and as always a bit of good luck.
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:08 pm quote
I think it's also good for TS to understand scooter maintenance a little, too. Since it was mentioned.

A Honda 'Met was mentioned in the first post. Often times with small scooters like that an engine may last oh, 15,000m let's say. Just for example. This could be one year of riding, two or three. Maybe five? Depending how much a person rides. But obviously you ride and enjoy your scooter.

But at 15,000 miles, dead. If it needs engine work (top half rebuild or otherwise) many consider that "routine maintenance" for a scooter. That's why it's so important the rest of the scooter is solid. If you want to keep the scooter or sell it for any good amount, you just get the work done. It doesn't mean it's not a good scooter, it just means things wear down and out sometimes. But it's cheap and simple to fix, and some even use this time to make upgrades, install big bore kits, all of that stuff. And as I said before, keep riding along.

Overall it's important to look at the total scooter, I think. Is it solid overall? Will it have so many other problems when it does need some engine work I won't feel it's worth fixing? Will I fix the engine only for the electrical system to go screwy?

So it comes down to the total ownership experience, I believe. Scooters will not travel nearly as many miles as cars without trouble, and if used a lot maintenance is a lot more frequent and can be costly for those who don't do any for themselves (a good idea I may add. if a person owns a scooter, knowing how to do some maintenance yourself is important for more reasons then cost imo). So understand that, too.

"Get what you pay for" is the most you can hope for, and hope for the best. Some brands give you a better shot then others, but one guy's Vespa LX150 might go 35,000 miles without needing major engine work, and another guy might go 50,000 miles. But that's a lot of miles on a 150cc scooter, and if it's been a good scooter I bet both guys are smiling nonetheless, as they have certainly gotten their monies worth
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Fri May 29, 2015 11:42 pm quote
vespa longevity
I love the concept of a single cylinder power plant like the one in my BV350 motivating the bike for upwards of 75,000 miles. Something about the simplicity of that one lung, coming back to stable idle after a long highway jaunt. Doing more with less... That minimalism is a big part of how I ended up scootering following a lifetime of riding the biggest, heaviest and fastest motorcycles. I'm open minded, equally appreciative of Harleys, sportbikes from all countries, cruisers... I love 'em all. But my Piaggio scooter has got to be the most practical, fun and capable ride of all. One metric for example, My HD 1550 Twin Cam motor (in a Springer Softail Classic) brought that bike to about 100 mph.
My BV350 tops out about the same, albeit on a fifth of the displacement. The sheer sensibility of this lightweight, efficient modern automatic motorcycle is compelling. While I still appreciate all sorts of motorcycles, if i am restricted to a single unit, I'll stand by my scooter. Of course, I may toggle over with change in a year or two, and find myself picking up a quart of milk on the big BMW tourer... But for now, you'll see me pulling out of the bakery, with a long French bread sticking out of the grocery bag on the Piaggio's bag hook.
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Sat May 30, 2015 12:33 am quote
Quote:
I love the concept of a single cylinder power plant like the one in my BV350 motivating the bike for upwards of 75,000 miles. Something about the simplicity of that one lung, coming back to stable idle after a long highway jaunt. Doing more with less... That minimalism is a big part of how I ended up scootering following a lifetime of riding the biggest, heaviest and fastest motorcycles.
Echo all that.
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Sat May 30, 2015 1:24 am quote
highest we have seen is 140,000 KM (87000miles) on a GTS250
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Sat May 30, 2015 2:01 am quote
It's the butt time. I think the question is will your butt last 10,000 miles on a 50cc scooter?

Anything taken care of will last and last. It really boils down to the attitude of the owner......

If you get bored with your ride it won't last.....if it doesn't hold your interest....

I have a 1974 100cc kawasaki with 2002 miles and original tires, sitting in my shed because some previous owners lost interest in figuring out a problem.

I am geeked about getting it running correctly and putting some miles on.

Just go "all in" ...... Now people will call you crazy but that's why we are here.
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Sat May 30, 2015 3:40 am quote
2007 GT200 with 48,500 km going strong keep up maintenance 😃
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Sat May 30, 2015 3:47 am quote
Everything about engine life comes down to how you use it. If you flog on a cold motor, run WFO all day or think that you should yank the throttle open every time the light turns green the engine is toast. The other thing is engines talk to you. If you listen to them you'll know when they're happy and screaming an Aria is not happy.
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Sat May 30, 2015 10:54 am quote
With modern top shelf oils, there is no telling. Mobile one has given me 650,000 miles on my Ford Ranger so far using Mobile 1. Its Amsoil used in my scoots. Time will tell
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Sat May 30, 2015 12:15 pm quote
EverReady............
61k on '06 GTS when I hit a deer and totaled the scooter. Was running and looking like new!

Currently 30k on '07 GTS, purchased used with 801 miles on it.

Will head out on coast to coast trip in August for a month or so on the GTS.
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Sat May 30, 2015 5:21 pm quote
Re: How many miles do scooter engines last
sin2beta wrote:
Hello everyone! I am new to the world of scooters and looking to get my first one. I was kind of curious about how long scooters are expected to last with proper maintenance. I noticed on a Honda metropolitan the odometer had 4 digit holders. Do scooter engines typically die by 10,000 miles?
Sin2beta, welcome to the forum! Some models of scooters are capable of tens of thousands of miles. What models are you considering?
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Sat May 30, 2015 6:10 pm quote
longevity
It is everything else that goes. About to install the fourth new kill switch.
I have abused the engine, but see no end for it.
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Sat May 30, 2015 6:29 pm quote
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: But it ain't all buttons and charts, little albatross. You know what the first rule of flying is? Well, I suppose you do, since you already know what I'm about to say.

River Tam: I do. But I like to hear you say it.

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Love. You can learn all the math in the 'Verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

River Tam: Storm's getting worse.

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: We'll pass through it soon enough.

Love your scoot, it'll take you where you want to go.
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Sat May 30, 2015 6:59 pm quote
sin2beta,

If you're still here, you get the gist of the replies.

Time to get scooting...you should be enjoying yourself-you'll obviously have a long time before worrying about wearing out your machine.
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