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I'm curious how many of us have already joined the Darkside with Stickyfrog's encouragement ?

Darkside means you have installed a car rear tire on your MP3 or MC.

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I will if we see it will be successful on the 500!!
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See Return of the Jedi...well hopefully...Mounted and ready!

So now I have done it on a 250 and a 500. Does that make me Darksider Squared?
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Nope, just a square.
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What I should have said was "with experience" given time and use.

What size is the tire 155/65/14?
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Yep that's the size.

I put around 6000 miles with the car tire on the 250 with no problems noted. Expect the same on the 500 and have about 300 miles on it.
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Well, after one season of use, I can say this about the darkside on Mp3 400/500.
+comfort level is much higher, potholes and uneven road goes like a charm.
+Traction on wet and gravel/dirt is better.
+Tire wear is minimal, it will probably go "hard" before it wears out.
+No more center stand scraping on turns
-Since the car tire has a harder compound, it has a tendency to lock up faster than a mc tire(Be careful braking hard in turns)

I can also say that I´ve never been a big fan of the darkside, but on the Mp3 it works very good.
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EmPeTreNorge wrote:
-Since the car tire has a harder compound, it has a tendency to lock up faster than a mc tire(Be careful braking hard in turns)

this is why I choose the winter tire, as the compounds are softer on them. It will probably wear a little faster than the summer ones but still should get at least 36-30,000 miles. Oh it the tire sticky has on if anyone didn't follow the other thread.
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EmPeTreNorge wrote:
-Since the car tire has a harder compound, it has a tendency to lock up faster than a mc tire(Be careful braking hard in turns)

this is why I choose the winter tire, as the compounds are softer on them. It will probably wear a little faster than the summer ones but still should get at least 36-30,000 miles. Oh it the tire sticky has on if anyone didn't follow the other thread.
Haven't tried dragging it hard yet in a turn so not sure about that yet but the rest of EmPeTreNorge's assessment is pretty spot on.
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Looks like us MP3 Darksiders are a rare breed. Thought more would make the switch after hearing there are no real negatives in doing it other than finding a shop that will do it for you. So far I've done my own installation so that's not an issue for me. Only 3 known so far worldwide. WOW !!!


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Orered 1 Achiles 165/55/14 tire today. total price shipped $70.26. I get about 6000 miles on my rear tire now. I will expect 30,000+ on this one. They said they do not stock the Sava summer tire.
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Orered 1 Achiles 165/55/14 tire today. total price shipped $70.26. I get about 6000 miles on my rear tire now. I will expect 30,000+ on this one. They said they do not stock the Sava summer tire.
Good for you. Who is they?
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Orered 1 Achiles 165/55/14 tire today. total price shipped $70.26. I get about 6000 miles on my rear tire now. I will expect 30,000+ on this one. They said they do not stock the Sava summer tire.
might be the wrong tire. a 165 is pretty wide. I know the 155 width is just about perfect.
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should be 155/65/14. Thanks
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Phillip..P. Smith wrote:
should be 155/65/14. Thanks
better
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Should be golden Phillip.
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This is my first post, but I've been ghosting around here for a while. I'm currently over 3000 miles Darkside and I'm showing no wear. I went this way after Stickyfrogs posts and evaluating that I was going through rear tires evey 2000 miles. We have pretty rough roads in South Carolina and I was tired of burning up rears. This was one of the best decisions I've made. Getting ready to work a few mods I've found here so thanks for the ideas guys.
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finger welcome and don't be a stranger here. come on up in May for the gathering in little switzerland.
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finger welcome and don't be a stranger here. come on up in May for the gathering in little switzerland.
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Trying not to be an id10t, but where is "Little Switzerland?"
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Trying not to be an id10t, but where is "Little Switzerland?"
NC see the following link to the spring gathering Spring 2012 Gathering May 10-14, 2012 Little Switzerlznd, NC
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Welcome Finger. Glad you found some of my posts useful in starting you own darkside adventure.
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I'll have to see how the work schedule goes. Today is my first day off this so far this year, and the future loks incredubly busy. I guess we'll see what happens.
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I'll have to see how the work schedule goes. Today is my first day off this so far this year, and the future loks incredubly busy. I guess we'll see what happens.
heck it is only 97 miles north of you.
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Hard to work 12 hour days and still enjoy the little things in life.
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Got my Sava Perfecta radial tire today for the 400 MP3. I like it ! Has a 1 ply polyester sidewall and nicely rounded side tread. Should mount as easily as my 250 MP3 darkside tire did. Tire made in Turkey
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Nice. Full report expected on the mount and the performance.
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Nice. Full report expected on the mount and the performance.
Well, unless I find a used rim, it's going to be maybe a year or so before I actually mount and use it. But at least I have it when I need it.
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Keep checking ebay. I found my extra one there and it wasn't even listed. Just sent a guy that was parting out a 400 an inquiry and he still had the rear wheel.
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Nice. Full report expected on the mount and the performance.
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I recently installed a 145/70X12" Falken Sincera (SWT0129) car tire on my MP3 250. I have 16,000+ on my bike and have gone through 7 tires and this makes my 8th. The worst was 1000 miles (Shinko) and the best was 3,500 miles (Michelin Gold no longer available).

The poor mileage is a real problem. I cannot take long trips without installing a new tire most every time. I have a spare rim so I can swap tires around, but what a pain. I have great hopes for this move over to the darkside.

Once installed on the bike the tire fit just fine, no clearance issues. The car tire is a larger diameter tire, wider and squared off on the sides, which makes installation onto the bike a little harder but not a big problem.

The overall ride is smoother and more comfortable. The handling initally was different in the corners, but not bad. The bike does not roll from leaning left to leaning right as smoothly, but that is either getting better as I get used to the tire or improving as the tire wears. There are times now that I forget about the tire altogether. I live at the base of the Ozark mountains and have access to nearly unlimited twisties.

I think the speedometer accuracy will improve with the larger diameter tire. The MP3 250 speedometer, with stock tires, is off about 1 mile per hour for every 10 showing on the speedometer. In other words, if the speedometer is showing 80 mph the actual speed is 72 to 73 mph. I will check that out with a GPS and report back.
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Yeah you forget it is there after awhile. Oh and I think the speedo comes off the front so you won't see a difference in accuracy. But I may be wrong about that...hell I didn't even know my 500 has 2 spark plugs.

I didn't notice a difference in accuracy on my 250 or my 500.
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Welcome, ckj, to the Darkside. You will have no regrets. I don't.
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Closing in on 10,000 miles on my darkside tire. I'll take a picture and measure wear again like I did at 2000 and 4000 miles. Still looks good.
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ckjohf0 wrote:
I recently installed a 145/70X12" Falken Sincera (SWT0129) car tire on my MP3 250. I have 16,000+ on my bike and have gone through 7 tires and this makes my 8th. The worst was 1000 miles (Shinko) and the best was 3,500 miles (Michelin Gold no longer available).

The poor mileage is a real problem. I cannot take long trips without installing a new tire most every time. I have a spare rim so I can swap tires around, but what a pain. I have great hopes for this move over to the darkside.

Once installed on the bike the tire fit just fine, no clearance issues. The car tire is a larger diameter tire, wider and squared off on the sides, which makes installation onto the bike a little harder but not a big problem.

The overall ride is smoother and more comfortable. The handling initally was different in the corners, but not bad. The bike does not roll from leaning left to leaning right as smoothly, but that is either getting better as I get used to the tire or improving as the tire wears. There are times now that I forget about the tire altogether. I live at the base of the Ozark mountains and have access to nearly unlimited twisties.

I think the speedometer accuracy will improve with the larger diameter tire. The MP3 250 speedometer, with stock tires, is off about 1 mile per hour for every 10 showing on the speedometer. In other words, if the speedometer is showing 80 mph the actual speed is 72 to 73 mph. I will check that out with a GPS and report back.
I know my rpms dropped some for the same speed (65) after I put the car tire on the 250. 8)
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ckjohf0 wrote:
I recently installed a 145/70X12" Falken Sincera (SWT0129) car tire on my MP3 250. I have 16,000+ on my bike and have gone through 7 tires and this makes my 8th. The worst was 1000 miles (Shinko) and the best was 3,500 miles (Michelin Gold no longer available).

The poor mileage is a real problem. I cannot take long trips without installing a new tire most every time. I have a spare rim so I can swap tires around, but what a pain. I have great hopes for this move over to the darkside.

Once installed on the bike the tire fit just fine, no clearance issues. The car tire is a larger diameter tire, wider and squared off on the sides, which makes installation onto the bike a little harder but not a big problem.

The overall ride is smoother and more comfortable. The handling initally was different in the corners, but not bad. The bike does not roll from leaning left to leaning right as smoothly, but that is either getting better as I get used to the tire or improving as the tire wears. There are times now that I forget about the tire altogether. I live at the base of the Ozark mountains and have access to nearly unlimited twisties.

I think the speedometer accuracy will improve with the larger diameter tire. The MP3 250 speedometer, with stock tires, is off about 1 mile per hour for every 10 showing on the speedometer. In other words, if the speedometer is showing 80 mph the actual speed is 72 to 73 mph. I will check that out with a GPS and report back.
I know my rpms dropped some for the same speed (65) after I put the car tire on the 250. 8)
That would be true with a larger diameter rear tire connected to the engine. The speed is measured from the front wheels and unless a larger diameter tire is put on the front the speed reading is not affected.
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Had my darkside tire mounted today. At a car and truck tire store I use a lot here in town. Had the same problem with almost the same spot on both sides not seating. Three times and well lubed. Third time we put it in a cage and jacked up the air pressure to 110. Still did not seat. We took the tire off and ground down the inner hump in the wheel. Still didn"t work. Took it back off and filed the edges of the area we ground down smooth with a file. Cage again a 110 psi. Still did not seat. Took the tire and the cage outside to the sunny side of the building (113 psI)and sat
at it close to the building so the sun could reflect. About 70 degrees in the direct sun.It set for about 30 minutes and one side popped. Set for about 30 more minutes and the other side set. SUCCESS! Warm tire makes the difference in my opinion!
Went back to the bike shop and had the tire mounted back on bike and went riding for about 30 minutes.Only difference I could immediately feel is that when you turn and come back up the tire brings the bike to level quicker. Will go to the MTC tomorrow and go through the course a few times!! Thanks Stickyfrog!!
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and Old AS Dirt for finding the tire!!
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Yeah a pain in the ass to mount but worth it I think. Sounds like yours was harder. Did they use Bead Butter for a lube? Can't wait to hear how Randy's Sava seats.
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