MP3 400 Versus 500
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GTed4LIFE
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:00 am quote
2009 and 2010 models.

Beside looks, major storage differences (400 Better) and the Stronger Midrange (500 Better) What are the major differences between the 2 as far as reliability, maintenance cost etc.

Why did you select the Version 400/500 that you did?

Thank you for your time...
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MP3 400
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:08 am quote
let me summarize all of the following responses.

looks


edit: Ok, for me it was storage 1st, power 2nd. but I'm always judging emotional purchases by their practical application.

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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:18 am quote
Akrimonious wrote:
let me summarize all of the following responses.

looks
Indeed that played a part. It's so much cooler looking than the other 400
and 250 models. I can live w/ a smaller storage out the door, with expansion possible as needed. Also, as you mentioned, power. I had no intention
of tooling around on a small 150-250, too little 'go' for me. Also the 400 was priced just a tad less than a 500 at the time I bought it. So why not go
for the larger displacement? Probably, since I haven't done it, nicer when riding w/ a passenger w/ that extra 100cc. Finally, while I have not done any serious mods to the 5, it does appear to have easier access for such as well. Nothing wrong with either though if you're on the fence. Just a 'taste' thing.
GTed4LIFE
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:28 am quote
Akrimonious wrote:
let me summarize all of the following responses.

looks
Agreed! But at this point it is a secondary concern...
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:32 am quote
After riding a BV 500 you would think I would pick an MP3 500 for my second scooter.

For me, I just did not care for the look, it seems very huge and elongated. My BF really wanted me to love it, but nope.

The 400s just had a better fit, good power and storage as well.

I can't wait to take it out for our first long weekend ride.

Now that really huge Gilera Fuoco, in matte black, that is one cool beast!
Molto Verboso
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:40 am quote
I am from the opposite side...
I like the looks of the 250/400 over the 500.
I think it is just dam ugly...
We all have our opinions.
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GTed4LIFE
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:01 am quote
Thanks for the info and the links. I really need to get into a Shop and look at them both.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:35 am quote
wetspeed wrote:
Akrimonious wrote:
let me summarize all of the following responses.

looks
Agreed! But at this point it is a secondary concern...
While I like the looks of the 500, I also like the looks of the 400.

I had to make a choice, and the price between the two was close.

I chose storage, I don't want to put a top box on it and I can store a ton of stuff under that seat.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:08 pm quote
Just my opinion:
MP-3 400 :

1. Looks better
2. Stores more (I am often putting long items thru the trunk and out of sight).
3. Engine vibrates less (is smoother),
4. Slightly better fuel mileage
5. Slightly, easier to maneuver about
5. Less things go wrong with it (500 is still great and not a lemon)

Having said that, my next scoot may be a 500 and I may change my opinion
after owning one.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:39 pm quote
teknik wrote:
I chose storage, I don't want to put a top box on it and I can store a ton of stuff under that seat.
If we are talking appearance, I think this is an important point. An accessory topcase looks awkward on any MP3 in my opinion.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:48 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
teknik wrote:
I chose storage, I don't want to put a top box on it and I can store a ton of stuff under that seat.
If we are talking appearance, I think this is an important point. An accessory topcase looks awkward on any MP3 in my opinion.
Agreed. But the storage is great for storage freaks. It is also super visual from behind with the addition of a top case.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:55 pm quote
with out considering my bias --

i think you will look great on a 500 rider to me.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:26 pm quote
I'm for the 400!
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:44 pm quote
Started with 250, now have 400 - main reason is storage as I use the MP3 for commuting and need to carry both a brief case and change of clothes for work [doubt if riding gear would go down well]. 400 is fine for commuting on both urban arterial roads and m'way [100 - 110 km/h] and copes with open road work comfortably. To have the same carrying capacity on 500 would need a topbox and personally don't like topboxes - happy to have panniers or saddle bags.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:11 pm quote
When I bought my 250 I was always convinced that I would probably move to a 400 because I liked the look. But the 500 look grew on me and when I had the chance to move up for a ridiculously low price I took it. No regrets. Besides the 500 makes my butt look smaller.

Kidding aside I think the future for the 400 is rather bleak based on what I am reading. The 500 looks to be around for awhile as is the 250. Of course they may release the Yourban then all bets are off...especially if they incorporate the new BV350 engine...but that is still just a pipe dream.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:24 pm quote
never seen a red 400, so got a red 500.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:56 pm quote
I thought the new 500's being made in Europe were using the 400 body...
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:58 pm quote
The 400 has more stock storage. That is only important if you carry something fairly long like rolled up plans or a large tripod. If you need to put an additional case on the 400 for a big headed helmet or other bulky items, it is particularly hideous and will stick up very high and seems to look precariously perched. An added case on the 500 seems to fit just right. Even the biggest case on the 500 will be visually accommodating and will enhance the functionality considerably.
The power of the 400 seems ample for all conditions reasonably expected. If you live on the interstate or freeway then there is a decisive edge in getting the 500, especially with the JCosta and Fuzzy washer.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:06 pm quote
CubsKing99 wrote:
I thought the new 500's being made in Europe were using the 400 body...
Essentially that is true, but it doesn't look like it will be any time soon when we see the current European models of the MP3 in the US.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:06 am quote
I bought my MP3 400 when I retired two years ago at age 61.

I'm not saying that anyone who buys a 400 should be living in a retirement community and doing early bird specials but, IMHO, the styling of the 500 was not age appropriate for me - too aggressive - like something out of a Mad Max movie - although I would have liked the extra 100 cc's.
GTed4LIFE
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:52 am quote
The fun of being Blessed with a 28" inseam...
Went to Malcolm Smith Motorsports yesterday and sat on both the MP3 250 and a 500. The 500 is taller and I will be on my tip toes at standard ride height. With that said, the styling suits me although giving up the storage may be an issues for 20% of the ride time. Still thinking the 500 is my choice right now.

BTW Malcolm Smiths first bike was a Lambretta "D".
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:09 am quote
My wife has the same inseam challenge on her 500. We had her seat reworked and took 2" off by a guy in San Antonio. Plus, she got a pair of River Road boots with 1 7/8" heels and thick soles, plus an thicker insole insert from Academy Sporting Goods store.

My opinion, you will appreciate the extra HP of the 500.

Good luck.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:12 am quote
Best of both worlds



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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:25 am quote
I disagree with your "best of both worlds", Maksor, since I like the look of the front end of the 400 more than the 500. But that's a personal preference thing, I guess.

Yes, there is a difference in seat height between the 250/400 and the 500. And it really does make a big difference I've got a 30" inseam, and I also notice problems with the 500.

Mark
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:34 am quote
Re: The fun of being Blessed with a 28" inseam...
wetspeed wrote:
Went to Malcolm Smith Motorsports yesterday and sat on both the MP3 250 and a 500. The 500 is taller and I will be on my tip toes at standard ride height. With that said, the styling suits me although giving up the storage may be an issues for 20% of the ride time. Still thinking the 500 is my choice right now.

BTW Malcolm Smiths first bike was a Lambretta "D".
i too suffer the inseam issue -- my seat is still stock - i have a pair of doc martens that helped with 1 and a half inch --- it's tippy toe all the way - getting the seat enhanced so that should help some more --

I have the givy v46 top case and it is great with a grocery run - my work bag fits snugly in it - and under the seat is enough for picking up lunch for me and my coworkers

check it out here - http://www.scooteats.com/2012/04/storage.html
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:51 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
teknik wrote:
I chose storage, I don't want to put a top box on it and I can store a ton of stuff under that seat.
If we are talking appearance, I think this is an important point. An accessory topcase looks awkward on any MP3 in my opinion.
I put off getting a Top Box for two years, as I thought they were ugly, but
I do not mind the look of my matching e-55 top box. It sits very level and matches somewhat from the rear as the MP-3 400 is sort of wide with the trunk. Also, from a visual aspect I feel a lot safer and Admore light kit adds a lot to a feeling of being seen.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:38 am quote
I just thought the 400 was for girls.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:41 pm quote
fuocoman wrote:
I just thought the 400 was for girls.
Always getting it mixed up are you? The correct data is that girls prefer guys on 400s.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:56 pm quote
Fuzzy wrote:
fuocoman wrote:
I just thought the 400 was for girls.
Always getting it mixed up are you? The correct data is that girls prefer guys on 400s.
Real men can ride girls' bikes.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:11 pm quote
mpfrank wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
fuocoman wrote:
I just thought the 400 was for girls.
Always getting it mixed up are you? The correct data is that girls prefer guys on 400s.
Real men can ride girls' bikes.
Real men don't need a macho look to cover other short comings.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:15 pm quote
I currently own both the 400 & 500. Started with the 400 for the storage and I liked the overall looks better, plus the windshield options (mainly the "comfort shield") ticked all of the boxes for me... until I rode a 500.

I LOVE the 500, and the day they release a larger engine in the 400ish body style, I'm in.

The 500 rocks the ride, but windshield options are not great, (although the Madstad is a huge improvement over the GIVI screen.) The seat sucks on both, but worse on the 500 IMHO. I got a new Cee Baileys custom for my 500 and it is much better, but still needs some help as it arrived too wide. For storage, I added the GIVI 55E top box, and it looks huge, and it is. I do not miss the "extra storage" of the 400 very often as the OEM top box has a PITA screw lock and lever that has to be fiddled with to access the trunk. That screw has stripped twice now. Not a great design if you ask me.

My wife now rides the 400 and I ride the 500. My perfect bike would be in the 800-850cc range with the MP3 400 body.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:21 pm quote
PianoManLA wrote:
I currently own both the 400 & 500. Started with the 400 for the storage and I liked the overall looks better, plus the windshield options (mainly the "comfort shield") ticked all of the boxes for me... until I rode a 500.

I LOVE the 500, and the day they release a larger engine in the 400ish body style, I'm in.

The 500 rocks the ride, but windshield options are not great, (although the Madstad is a huge improvement over the GIVI screen.) The seat sucks on both, but worse on the 500 IMHO. I got a new Cee Baileys custom for my 500 and it is much better, but still needs some help as it arrived too wide. For storage, I added the GIVI 55E top box, and it looks huge, and it is. I do not miss the "extra storage" of the 400 very often as the OEM top box has a PITA screw lock and lever that has to be fiddled with to access the trunk. That screw has stripped twice now. Not a great design if you ask me.

My wife now rides the 400 and I ride the 500. My perfect bike would be in the 800-850cc range with the MP3 400 body.
you need a Shad seat for the 400. Then the wife would be really happy and you'll never pry it from her for a ride.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:41 pm quote
PianoManLA wrote:
I currently own both the 400 & 500. Started with the 400 for the storage and I liked the overall looks better, plus the windshield options (mainly the "comfort shield") ticked all of the boxes for me... until I rode a 500.

I LOVE the 500, and the day they release a larger engine in the 400ish body style, I'm in.

The 500 rocks the ride, but windshield options are not great, (although the Madstad is a huge improvement over the GIVI screen.) The seat sucks on both, but worse on the 500 IMHO. I got a new Cee Baileys custom for my 500 and it is much better, but still needs some help as it arrived too wide. For storage, I added the GIVI 55E top box, and it looks huge, and it is. I do not miss the "extra storage" of the 400 very often as the OEM top box has a PITA screw lock and lever that has to be fiddled with to access the trunk. That screw has stripped twice now. Not a great design if you ask me.

My wife now rides the 400 and I ride the 500. My perfect bike would be in the 800-850cc range with the MP3 400 body.
My perfect bike would be the MP3 400 body (with some minor improvements) and a 50hp engine. Probably a 600cc twin, though if they could do something like turbocharge a smaller, lighter engine that would be OK, too.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:48 pm quote
mpfrank wrote:
PianoManLA wrote:
I currently own both the 400 & 500. Started with the 400 for the storage and I liked the overall looks better, plus the windshield options (mainly the "comfort shield") ticked all of the boxes for me... until I rode a 500.

I LOVE the 500, and the day they release a larger engine in the 400ish body style, I'm in.

The 500 rocks the ride, but windshield options are not great, (although the Madstad is a huge improvement over the GIVI screen.) The seat sucks on both, but worse on the 500 IMHO. I got a new Cee Baileys custom for my 500 and it is much better, but still needs some help as it arrived too wide. For storage, I added the GIVI 55E top box, and it looks huge, and it is. I do not miss the "extra storage" of the 400 very often as the OEM top box has a PITA screw lock and lever that has to be fiddled with to access the trunk. That screw has stripped twice now. Not a great design if you ask me.

My wife now rides the 400 and I ride the 500. My perfect bike would be in the 800-850cc range with the MP3 400 body.
My perfect bike would be the MP3 400 body (with some minor improvements) and a 50hp engine. Probably a 600cc twin, though if they could do something like turbocharge a smaller, lighter engine that would be OK, too.
In that case it's obvious mpg isn't that important to you. None of the twin maxi-scooters get the mileage our singles get.
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Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:19 am quote
WELL just sold my FP3 500 to somebody in Amsterdam for $7860,-
it has 35220miles on it and is 3 years old

so the FP3 isn't a option

and bought a crashed 2010 400 back with 12.000miles for $3000,- it needs only some new covers
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Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:29 am quote
CubsKing99 wrote:
I thought the new 500's being made in Europe were using the 400 body...
they are

the Piaggio MP3 sport 500
RLLT


and the Piaggio MP3 business 500
RL LT
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Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:49 am quote
Maksor,
That one hell of an ugly bike!
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Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:39 am quote
Maksor wrote:
CubsKing99 wrote:
I thought the new 500's being made in Europe were using the 400 body...
they are

Piaggio MP3 business 500
RL
Photo seemed to be flipped - I think this is correct:

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:12 am quote
norCal Randy wrote:
mpfrank wrote:
PianoManLA wrote:
I currently own both the 400 & 500. Started with the 400 for the storage and I liked the overall looks better, plus the windshield options (mainly the "comfort shield") ticked all of the boxes for me... until I rode a 500.

I LOVE the 500, and the day they release a larger engine in the 400ish body style, I'm in.

The 500 rocks the ride, but windshield options are not great, (although the Madstad is a huge improvement over the GIVI screen.) The seat sucks on both, but worse on the 500 IMHO. I got a new Cee Baileys custom for my 500 and it is much better, but still needs some help as it arrived too wide. For storage, I added the GIVI 55E top box, and it looks huge, and it is. I do not miss the "extra storage" of the 400 very often as the OEM top box has a PITA screw lock and lever that has to be fiddled with to access the trunk. That screw has stripped twice now. Not a great design if you ask me.

My wife now rides the 400 and I ride the 500. My perfect bike would be in the 800-850cc range with the MP3 400 body.
My perfect bike would be the MP3 400 body (with some minor improvements) and a 50hp engine. Probably a 600cc twin, though if they could do something like turbocharge a smaller, lighter engine that would be OK, too.
In that case it's obvious mpg isn't that important to you. None of the twin maxi-scooters get the mileage our singles get.
Just dreaming, Randy.

In that case, a turbocharged 350 single should be the best of both worlds, right?
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